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Originally posted by DJGolf just watch replay carefully again, the 3rd red saw it! that's why Buffon right away ran to him and pointed to him that u saw it.

Why did he wait for so long then to inform the ref?... I thought they had some kind of communication between the refs... he could have easily told him "hey send Zidane off immediately for headbutting Matterazzi"..

who fucking cares who saw, when they saw or didn't see or if they saw in the replay. the asshole zidane should've either a) gotten kick out the way he did - with a red card, or b) gotten his head split open by italian cleats.

glad it ended with option a)

why the long discussion? who fucking cares... what he did was inexcusable.

>JM<

yeah, honestly, i'm sick of excuses.

90% a team loses is because they weren't good enough. yet in a defeat everyone always says they were part of the 10%.

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Originally posted by luisjb82 hmmm I'm missing something here... I watched the finals via Directv, and the argument and the headbutt was shown on the replay, not live, and according to InterMilan there were no replays showing the headbutt on the big screen at the stadium, so how did the 4th referee watch it on the screen?... can you guys clear it up?

There was no replay on the big screen. I was watching it through Univision and the commentators, who were in the stadium, made a comment about the crowd booing the ref because of the red card without knowing what had happened. The commentators watched the replay through their own screens so they knew what happened and said those people are going to regret booing after they watch the replay at home. Now, that doesn't mean there wasnt a small screen on the side where one of the refs saw it though...although fifa probably made sure there weren't any? hmm...

The reason the decision took so long was because as a ref, you need to make sure the game and situation is under your countrol. He had to make sure things didn't get further on the field. Had he gone to talk to the assistant refs right a way and left those players alone, all hell would have broken lose. I'm sure there was mention of the incident over their headsets but probably wanted to go speak face to face to the assistant ref.

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Originally posted by JM who fucking cares who saw, when they saw or didn't see or if they saw in the replay. the asshole zidane should've either a) gotten kick out the way he did - with a red card, or b) gotten his head split open by italian cleats. glad it ended with option a) why the long discussion? who fucking cares... what he did was inexcusable. >JM<

You obviously don't know what the problem is... making a decision based on video footage is totally forbidden, sure there are other instances where they use that video to give sanctions to other players, but they do so AFTER the game, not during the game.

Just to make it short, if refs used video footage to send Zizou off, each and every team will start complaining about how other refs haven't used this type of technology in other games... which in the end will create a chaos as any team will have the right to demand the ref to use video footage, since the refs at the WC final are creating a precedent. That's why there has been a lot of controversy after the finals, because of what happened and the lack of clear information from FIFA.

Paranoikos, I never said or used Zidane's red card as an excuse, Italy won it fair and square and right now in my opinion they are the best team of the world, based on them winning the WC, simple as that.

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Originally posted by luisjb82 Italy won it fair and square and right now in my opinion they are the best team of the world, based on them winning the WC, simple as that.

Jesus is football really that bad at the moment? The current Italian team, the best in the world???

Cup competitions aren't supposed to determine the best side. Liverpool were crowned Champions of Europe but finished 5th in the Premier League, Greece won Euro 2004 but failed to even qualify for the 2006 World Cup. The very nature of a cup competition is that any team with a good run of form and a bit of luck on their side can win it. Italy got to the semi-final by beating Australia and Ukraine, that's about the easiest run you could possibly ask for, they then scraped past Germany in the last minute of extra time and beat France on penalties. Yes, they won it, and well done to them, but to suggest they're the best in the world or were even the best in this tournament is a joke IMO. That is the nature of a cup competition, that is why Greece won Euro 2004 and that is why Italy won this World Cup.

For me the best team was probably France. They struggled in the group stage but after that they cruised past Spain, embarrassed Brazil, saw off Portugal and outplayed Italy. As for the best team in the world right now, I'm not sure. I was expecting a lot more from Argentina but their manager messed everything up at a crucial moment for them. Once again the South Americans struggled in Europe.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard For me the best team was probably France. They struggled in the group stage but after that they cruised past Spain, embarrassed Brazil, saw off Portugal and outplayed Italy. As for the best team in the world right now, I'm not sure. I was expecting a lot more from Argentina but their manager messed everything up at a crucial moment for them. Once again the South Americans struggled in Europe.

I dont think France were great either. Cruised past spain is a bit OTT. They got the 2nd goal with 10 minutes to go in very dubious circumstances.

Brail were shit and portugal couldnt score in a brothal. No team really stood out as the best. I think Italy deserve it though. They played well all the way through the tournament. I cant think of another team that would be worthy winners.

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Originally posted by Michael19 Brail were shit and portugal couldnt score in a brothal. No team really stood out as the best. I think Italy deserve it though. They played well all the way through the tournament. I cant think of another team that would be worthy winners.

spain, brazil and portugal are tougher than any team italy had to face (other than germany).

Yeah, personally after what I saw in the cup I'd say the best team in the world right now is either Italy or Argentina. Brazil and France coming quite close too, maybe even Spain despite the bad 1/8 finals game. Then comes a group formed by Portugal, England, Germany, Holland and perhaps Mexico.

This is the official paranoik0 ranking as of July 2006.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Italy got to the semi-final by beating Australia and Ukraine, that's about the easiest run you could possibly ask for, they then scraped past Germany in the last minute of extra time and beat France on penalties.

Italy were very very lucky they "won" against Australia, if Grosso hadn't dived in the last 7 seconds of the game it could have easily been a different outcome, and as for the Ukraine game i didn't watch it but i was told they were more evenly matched than the final result of 3-0 suggested.

For me Argentina would be the best team in the world

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Italy were very very lucky they "won" against Australia, if Grosso hadn't dived in the last 7 seconds of the game it could have easily been a different outcome

Watch the slow motion clip below and see for yourself how the Australian defender places his left hand on Grosso's foot. That is a penalty, you cannot touch a player in the box especially after you already made a tackle and it failed. The ref was right there to see it and made the correct call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2PgG8j0gyQ

The best team in the world is Italy because they over came everything thrown at them and won.

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Originally posted by solgrabber That is a penalty, you cannot touch a player in the box

Nonsense. One of the great myths of football. Fact is you can do anything in the penalty box that you can do on the rest of the pitch. The rules don't change once you get inside the area. If that was in the centre-circle you would not give a free-kick, you'd wave play on and tell him to pick himself up, so why give a penalty in the area? You see that sort of thing happening all the time.

Your own link shows there was no contact from Neill anyway, Grosso initiates any contact there is by trying to run through Lucas Neill in order to get a penalty. That's a yellow card for simulation, he makes no effort to lift his left leg, preferring to trail it over Neill's body in the hope Neill catches him (watch the video again, he doesn't), and then theatricalyl drops to the ground after entangling himself with the other player. The most ridiculous red card of the world cup. It wasn't even a good dive, I believe the referee had doubt in his mind and was trying to balance things up after sending off Materazzi earlier in the game. Some of the comments beneath the video make for hilarious reading, it's amazing how differently people can view a football match.

It was a mistimed challenge from Neill, he missed both the ball and the player. Grosso knew his touch was too heavy and the closing defender was going to smash it into row Z so he went for the penalty.

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Fact is you can do anything in the penalty box that you can do on the rest of the pitch.

Why is there a outline of the penalty box then? Your claim that you can do the same in the penalty box as on the pitch is nonsense. The Aussie defender grabbed Grosso's foot with his hand and the ref called it like he should have because he saw it.

If it would have happened outside the penalty area it would be a free kick, in this case because it was in the penalty box it was a penalty kick. Simple.

if it would have happened outside the penalty area it would be a dive, and as it happened inside the penalty area it is a dive.

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if it would have happened outside the penalty area it would be a dive, and as it happened inside the penalty area it is a dive.

LOL, I would of dived too if the defender grabbed my foot after failing to stop me with his sh*t tackle in front of the ref.

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Originally posted by solgrabber LOL, I would of dived too if the defender grabbed my foot after failing to stop me with his sh*t tackle in front of the ref.

he clearly moves his arm so that he wouldnt trip and the guy doesn't lift his foot over him on purpose.

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Originally posted by solgrabber LOL, I would of dived too if the defender grabbed my foot after failing to stop me with his sh*t tackle in front of the ref.

Your timeline is a bit screwed. Shit tackle, then dive, with Grosso hitting the aussie in the arm.

funny how a zidane thread got almost double the post count of the second most replied to thread

everyone forgets about the real headbutt hero FIGO. Zidane might be the master headbutter, but figos the master of getting away with the headbutt.

Both Zidane and Figo should be punished for their actions. We will all know in a couple of days (July 20th) what the outcome is of the Zidane/Materazzi incident anyhow.

Well done Azzurri, champions of 2006!

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Originally posted by RapidFire he clearly moves his arm so that he wouldnt trip and the guy doesn't lift his foot over him on purpose.

Exactly. It seems some people are watching an entirely different video. The video posted on the previous page clearly shows Neill doing everything he can to avoid contact with Grosso. It's not his fault Grosso just ran all over him and threw himself to the floor.

solgrabber, you can do anything in the penalty area that you can do on the rest of the pitch. The reason the penalty area is there is to determine the punishment when a foul is given (hence its name) and also to mark where the goalkeeper is allowed to handle the ball. I feel like I'm explaining the absolute basics of football here.

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solgrabber, you can do anything in the penalty area that you can do on the rest of the pitch. The reason the penalty area is there is to determine the punishment when a foul is given (hence its name) and also to mark where the goalkeeper is allowed to handle the ball. I feel like I'm explaining the absolute basics of football here.

Thanks, I know you can do the same in the penalty area as the pitch but the difference is if you commit a foul in your own box you get a penalty kick awarded to the opposing team just like what happened with Grosso. It is that simple, really.

I played for over 10 years I know the rules, thanks.

As for the Zidane/Materazzi incident no racial slurs were made and it was confirmed again today after both players were suspended from Fifa.

Zidane received a three game suspension and Materazzi received two games, both were fined as well. There is still a chance that Zidane can lose the Golden Ball and rightfully so as it belongs to Cannavaro regardless. BBC is reporting that Fifa will allow Zidane to keep the award though.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn/news_story.asp?id=171815

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foo...006/5198796.stm

The ban for Materazzi is absolutely ridiculous (especially when Zidane only got one more match than him). Here is an analysis i found on eurosport.com that i couldn't agree any more with:

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It�s official: the language of the playground can now land you in serious hot water. Alex Chick believes the two-match ban given to Marco Materazzi for provoking Zin�dine Zidane sets a dreadful precedent and would not have been doled out had the Italian not been such an easy target. The ban for a shockingly forceful head-butt (or rather chest-butt) in front of billions of viewers around the world: three games that you aren't going to play anyway. The ban for a few of the petty insults that pepper every football match: two games, including a crucial Euro 2008 qualifier against (the irony of it all!) France. By punishing Materazzi for his provocation, FIFA partially legitimised Zidane's actions in the World Cup final. Yes, Zidane also received a ban rendered meaningless by his retirement from football, but the very clear conclusion is that Materazzi mitigated the Frenchman's crime. It must first be acknowledged that Materazzi is no saint and has a history of misdemeanours, but where was the evidence in this case? All FIFA had to go on was the testimony of the two players. Materazzi, to his credit, admitted to insulting Zidane, but what if he had denied it? It would have been one player's word against each other. It is one thing using the fourth official (and possibly a TV replay, although FIFA deny this) to spot a piece of violent conduct. It is quite another to punish somebody when only the players involved really know what went on. BARRAGE OF EXCUSES Prepare yourself for a barrage of excuses and appeals every time a player is sent off this season. "But he threatened to eat my hamster!" players will bleat. Verbal provocation has been outlawed, meaning players, coaches and managers will now expect sanctions against any victim of a kick, stamp or elbow. Of course, all this has only come about because it was Zin�dine Zidane. The greatest footballer of the last 20 years ended his career in the worst way imaginable. Having rightly earned a reputation as a player for the big occasion, he blew it. Never mind that it was the 14th red card of a surprisingly combustible career, Materazzi must have done something terrible. Look at him! A burly, tattooed hulk who was sent off three times during one season in the Premiership of all places. Commentators ignored his reputation as an easy-going, tolerant man and his friendship with Inter's Nigerian striker Obafemi Martins. Instead they immediately bandied around accusations of racism, claiming he had called Zidane a terrorist. NO RACISM But FIFA today confirmed: "In their statements, both players stressed that Materazzi's comments had been defamatory but not of a racist nature." Even if Zidane had been racially abused, he should have followed the lead of Samuel Eto'o and Marco Zoro and simply walked off the pitch. It doesn't matter what was said. If Materazzi insulted Zidane's unwell mother, it was unkind and insensitive, but a player of the Frenchman's experience should obviously know not to take the bait. Let's pretend that the head-butt had not been Zidane on Materazzi, but Francesco Totti on Lilian Thuram. Totti is known for his short fuse, while Thuram is a legendary figure in European football with an impeccable reputation. There would have been no inquest, no time for excuses. Totti would have been roundly condemned and Thuram exonerated. Players have wound each other up since time immemorial; it is something they have to deal with. Zidane's act was not one of a man fighting back after a career of silently accepting the insults, or standing up for his brothers-in-arms. Simply put, he lost his rag. The pressure of finishing his career with such a match and the impending ordeal of penalties got to him. MARADONA MADNESS That's OK, he is not the first player to let the occasion get to him. Diego Maradona's 1982 World Cup ended in disgrace when he lashed frustratedly at a Brazilian opponent as Argentina crashed out. But let's not pretend that Zidane's crime was any less foolish. Materazzi won't let this get to him. He has thrived on his unpopularity and proved it by thumping home a penalty in the shootout while being booed to the rafters by France fans. In any case, he plays for Inter. All he has to deal with is a two-match ban while many of his team-mates find themselves in Serie B. But the Italian has had his reputation dragged through the mud for hurling the kind of abuse that is heard hundreds of times a weekend at grounds across the world. There are some things that need to be eradicated from the game. Racism is intolerable and great strides are being made to stamp it out. By adding routine name-calling to the list of unacceptable behaviour, FIFA risk trivialising the greater battle and undermine the work that has already been done.

http://www.eurosport.com/football/w...sto929153.shtml

This guy is absolutely right - this is a dangerous precedent. FIFA are basically putting name-calling on the same level of violence.

^^as it should!

But after today's decision FIFA looks like they're managing a mickey mouse sports federation.

with such insignificant penalties, violence AND name calling are now legitimized.

Did FIFA forget that this event overshadowed a whole worldcup which was nearly perfect in all aspects? overshadowed the winners, overshadowed the sport.

In 20 years, people will only remember zidane's headbut from germany 2006.

Some thousands euros as penalty??

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In 20 years, people will only remember zidane's headbut from germany 2006.

It will be remembered but also along with Italy winning the tournament. As time goes by Zidane's and Materazzi's incident will fade but the World Cup champions are inked in the book for good.

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