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Originally posted by WittyHandle I'm betting he doesn't die. Just a hunch.

Hmm, but if he's not getting murdered then the cancer kills him, no way out?

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Originally posted by Viber "manipulated him into doing"? how many people can be manipulated into murdering somebody? why cant Jessie take responsibility over his actions? because he is a dumbass and Walt is a genius? because Walt is a a leader and he's just the follower? And again, Jessie produced massive quantities of a destructive drug, he has many victims on his head, thousands of victims on his head but only when he sees the victim looking in his eyes he actually feels bad about it. Walt is no better than Jessie, they are both shitbags but at least Walt respected the most basic code among criminals and at least he knows he is the villain ("the one who knocks") instead of pretending to be a saint. How can you rat on someone saying he ran over 2 guys when in fact he did this to save YOU?

completely disagree. but im not gonna argue it here.

Again, anybody sympathizing Walt is missing the point. You're supposed to hate him. That's the point.

who cares about the point if that's it

I think gradually from season 1 where we're supposed to sympathize with Walt, the series has shifted to the opposite, poisoning the child, killing Mike, etc........ prehaps this gives us a clue to the ending,

didn't the director say he wanted to see how far he could push it before people started disliking Walt?

I don't dislike him, I feel sorry for him most of the time. But once in a while he's awesome.

How could you possibly feel sorry for him?

I still root for Walt. The brilliant thing about this show is that "the point" could be a number of things. Standing up and beating your chest saying "you're missing the point if you feel this way about character X" is fucking retarded, because this show is so open-ended that any one person could feel multiple ways about the characters. The number of situations they've all been put in, and the way they've responded cause conflicting feelings in almost every case.

Nono, there has to be a cogent point in the end. Nevermind the whole uncertainty principle that has permeated the entire show thus far.

If you sympathize with Walt at this point there's something wrong with you. He either needs to go to prison or die to get what he deserves.

The point where Jessie states that no one is lucky like Mr. White, and the bald dude mistaken for a hitman when he was only picking up his daughter tells me that White wins.

hah, I guess there is something wrong with me.

I really don't care for black and white, and neither does this story. I like him for his decisiveness, ruthless and 'evil' as he might be. If you want to translate that to me having any of his traits in real life, or any other pseudo psychological bullshit, go ahead.

I always rooted for Jerry and hated Tom with a vengeance. Fuck that mouse.

He is the Tony Montana of the cancer generation.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 If you sympathize with Walt at this point there's something wrong with you. He either needs to go to prison or die to get what he deserves.

why so serious? weren't you the shitbag who denounced and criticized the show before you even watched the first episode?

so don't tell people how to feel about a certain character you pathetic fool because your sense of judgment went out of the window on 4th page of this thread

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Originally posted by srussell0018 If you sympathize with Walt at this point there's something wrong with you. He either needs to go to prison or die to get what he deserves.

This is where your argument is failing: you're assuming that if someone feels a certain way (out of many possibilities) that there's something wrong with them. Is this the first show you've seen where the main character engages in crime-related activity or does something or multiple things that are immoral? This whole show has been a struggle with Walter trying to separate his own personality between that of Heisenberg's (see Hal's reference to the uncertainty principle) and his attempt to keep his family in tact, which was the goal in the first place. People can either choose to root for him, or against them, and the entire purpose of the show is to create those conflicting feelings. SEE AGAIN: Uncertainty principle.

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Originally posted by simplcake why so serious? weren't you the shitbag who denounced and criticized the show before you even watched the first episode? so don't tell people how to feel about a certain character you pathetic fool because your sense of judgment went out of the window on 4th page of this thread

Right, because that makes sense. It's not like I watched the whole series or anything.

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Originally posted by ziptnf This is where your argument is failing: you're assuming that if someone feels a certain way (out of many possibilities) that there's something wrong with them. Is this the first show you've seen where the main character engages in crime-related activity or does something or multiple things that are immoral? This whole show has been a struggle with Walter trying to separate his own personality between that of Heisenberg's (see Hal's reference to the uncertainty principle) and his attempt to keep his family in tact, which was the goal in the first place. People can either choose to root for him, or against them, and the entire purpose of the show is to create those conflicting feelings. SEE AGAIN: Uncertainty principle.

Have you never seen me post about Dexter? A serial killer who kills murderers. Someone who does immoral things, but within a code where he only hurts those who deserve it. You sympathize with him because of this. He lives by a code of morals. Walt doesn't, he's out to protect himself and nobody else. If he gave a shit about his family he wouldn't constantly be subjecting them to danger and/or prison time.

I'm pretty sure if Walt didn't care about his family, Hank would no longer be alive right now.

Walt hasn't killed Hank because he knows Hank has nothing to prove his guilt. I think he'd have no qualms in killing him as he obviously would have no qualms in ruining his life.

Hank has Jesse, which is pretty close. Hank doesn't give a fuck about Jesse, he just thinks he's a drug addled loser who is expendable once he's done with him.

How many times has Saul offered to help get rid of Hank? Walt has gotten brutally offended every time that option has even been put on the table. In the same vein, Walt refuses to let Jesse die, because Jesse is like a son to him.

Jesse is not like a son to him at all! Are you being serious right now? Walt doesn't give a shit about Jesse, he's just another person in his way now. What Jesse said to him in the desert was spot on. And poisoning a child who he knew Jesse cared about? Do you do that to someone you care about like a son?

Walt also doesn't know hank has Jesse.

The only reason Walt tries to make it seem like he cares is to gain Jessie's trust so he can protect himself (as always).

Episode - Salud
Walt: Do you like the car I got you?
Walt Jr: Y-Y-Yeah I love it dad.
Walt: that's good Jesse.
Walt Jr gives him an awkward stare

I think he does care for him, or at least he used to. When he saved Jesse from the rival dealers in "Half Measures", he had nothing to gain and everything to lose, and yet he did it.

But I think at this point, he'd definitely kill Jesse, especially in self-defense.

all in all, how many innocent people has Walt killed if you don't count the possibility of ODs from his drugs?

not even sure if this is a point, because I can't remember.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Walt Jr: Y-Y-Yeah I love it dad. .

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