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Posted by Cpt.Cocaine on Aug-19-2009 01:21:

I just started running barefoot. Just finished my second run today. It doesn't hurt nearly as much as I thought it would. Even the sharp rocks can be shrugged off and the pain goes away after 5-10 seconds.


Posted by winston on Aug-19-2009 03:23:

I have been procastinating all summer long, I'm going back to the gym tomorrow...geez.

I want me some mexican food!


Posted by Inertia on Aug-19-2009 04:52:

started taking BCAAs today.

Dymatize 2200s.

i feel

like a

million dollars.

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL MY LIFE? wow.


Posted by Silky Johnson on Aug-19-2009 19:38:

Fuck I hate being busy. Haven't been to the gym since last Wednesday.


Posted by Ygrene on Aug-19-2009 21:25:

Squats tonight and then probably fight a bear or two.


Posted by Damerchi on Aug-19-2009 21:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine
I just started running barefoot. Just finished my second run today. It doesn't hurt nearly as much as I thought it would. Even the sharp rocks can be shrugged off and the pain goes away after 5-10 seconds.


I just saw a guy called Chris Mcdougall advocating barefoot running, citing the Tarahumara Indians as the example of the ultimate endurance runners. His theory was that cushioned sneakers are the reason why running injuries are so prevalent in the west. Let us know how it goes mang.


Posted by Cpt.Cocaine on Aug-19-2009 23:35:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Damerchi
I just saw a guy called Chris Mcdougall advocating barefoot running, citing the Tarahumara Indians as the example of the ultimate endurance runners. His theory was that cushioned sneakers are the reason why running injuries are so prevalent in the west. Let us know how it goes mang.


I can definitely feel a huge difference already. When there's nothing on my foot, I can feel all the small bones and muscles moving around and changing shape as my foot lands, so I always land very softly and with perfect form. When I'm wearing shoes, it's like my feet are stuck in place and I have to let the shoe absorb all the impact, which it doesn't always do well. I can see how this can prevent injuries in the long run.


Posted by chimera66 on Aug-20-2009 00:47:

i opted out of the full on lower body slash h.i.i.t. shenanigans for a strong vodka tonic, it was much more needed than cardio/weights. gotta make up for it tomorrow though which will suck


Posted by basd on Aug-20-2009 07:43:

Been doing some more speed work lately in addition to the long runs. Did two timed km's yesterday, one in 4.21 and one in 4.11, plus three or four additional slow km's. Far too humid to do any more.

Got some half marathons planned, but I really need to get in better condition first..


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-21-2009 15:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Ygrene
Squats tonight and then probably fight a bear or two.

What kind of bear? Don't tell me it's one of those little sun bears or something.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-21-2009 15:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine
I can definitely feel a huge difference already. When there's nothing on my foot, I can feel all the small bones and muscles moving around and changing shape as my foot lands, so I always land very softly and with perfect form. When I'm wearing shoes, it's like my feet are stuck in place and I have to let the shoe absorb all the impact, which it doesn't always do well. I can see how this can prevent injuries in the long run.

Interesting, I may try running barefoot next time. At the trail near my college I used to see a guy jogging barefoot pretty frequently and wondered why he was doing it. It's weird, though, most people run around barefoot as kids all the time, but then as we get older we all adopt fancy running shoes instead.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-21-2009 15:22:

Interesting article on barefoot versus shoe running:

http://www.sportsci.org/jour/0103/mw.htm

"Wearers of expensive running shoes that were promoted as correcting pronation or providing more cushioning experienced a greater prevalence of these running-related injuries than wearers of less expensive shoes (Robbins and Gouw, 1991). In another study, expensive athletic shoes accounted for more than twice as many injuries as cheaper shoes, a fact that prompted Robbins and Waked (1997) to suggest that deceptive advertising of athletic footwear (e.g., "cushioning impact") may represent a public health hazard. Anthony (1987) reported that running shoes should be considered protective devices (from dangerous or painful objects) rather than corrective devices, as their capacity for shock absorption and control of over-pronation is limited. The modern running shoe and footwear generally reduce sensory feedback, apparently without diminishing injury-inducing impact�a process Robbins and Gouw (1991) described as the "perceptual illusion" of athletic footwear. A resulting false sense of security may contribute to the risk of injury (Robbins and Gouw, 1991). Yessis (2000, p.122) reasoned that once the natural foot structures are weakened by long-term footwear use, people have to rely on the external support of the footwear, but the support does not match that provided by a well functioning foot."


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Aug-21-2009 17:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Inertia
started taking BCAAs today.

Dymatize 2200s.

i feel

like a

million dollars.

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL MY LIFE? wow.


amino acids are making u feel euphoric? lol, ok what else is in there?

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Interesting, I may try running barefoot next time. At the trail near my college I used to see a guy jogging barefoot pretty frequently and wondered why he was doing it. It's weird, though, most people run around barefoot as kids all the time, but then as we get older we all adopt fancy running shoes instead.



If u have ever seen the old Arnold training clips or read his books...he was a huge advocate for training barefoot. He would do his weight training that way.


Posted by Inertia on Aug-21-2009 17:42:

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
amino acids are making u feel euphoric? lol, ok what else is in there?


BCAAs. nothing more. they do have vitamin C, B6 and riboflavin in them tho. i just get a huge high after hard training... only in the last few months training was completely DESTROYING me. apparently, i was seriously eating my muscles from not paying proper attention to my nutrition.

i feel like superman after training hard now.


Posted by Silky Johnson on Aug-21-2009 17:51:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Interesting article on barefoot versus shoe running:

http://www.sportsci.org/jour/0103/mw.htm

"Wearers of expensive running shoes that were promoted as correcting pronation or providing more cushioning experienced a greater prevalence of these running-related injuries than wearers of less expensive shoes (Robbins and Gouw, 1991). In another study, expensive athletic shoes accounted for more than twice as many injuries as cheaper shoes, a fact that prompted Robbins and Waked (1997) to suggest that deceptive advertising of athletic footwear (e.g., "cushioning impact") may represent a public health hazard. Anthony (1987) reported that running shoes should be considered protective devices (from dangerous or painful objects) rather than corrective devices, as their capacity for shock absorption and control of over-pronation is limited. The modern running shoe and footwear generally reduce sensory feedback, apparently without diminishing injury-inducing impact�a process Robbins and Gouw (1991) described as the "perceptual illusion" of athletic footwear. A resulting false sense of security may contribute to the risk of injury (Robbins and Gouw, 1991). Yessis (2000, p.122) reasoned that once the natural foot structures are weakened by long-term footwear use, people have to rely on the external support of the footwear, but the support does not match that provided by a well functioning foot."





Not saying that article is bunk...but have you got anything with more recent references/research material (within the last 5 years)?


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Aug-21-2009 18:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Inertia
BCAAs. nothing more. they do have vitamin C, B6 and riboflavin in them tho. i just get a huge high after hard training... only in the last few months training was completely DESTROYING me. apparently, i was seriously eating my muscles from not paying proper attention to my nutrition.

i feel like superman after training hard now.


yup I have been over-trained a bunch of times now and just broke out of a plateau recently. It can be tough to get enough protein in if u can't eat every few hours. When u get like that again, even with proper food, take a few days off at least...not even cardio. It's bad for the body as it will eat itself and kills your sex drive, makes u depressed and all kinds of bad shit


Posted by chimera66 on Aug-22-2009 01:11:

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
yup I have been over-trained a bunch of times now and just broke out of a plateau recently. It can be tough to get enough protein in if u can't eat every few hours. When u get like that again, even with proper food, take a few days off at least...not even cardio. It's bad for the body as it will eat itself and kills your sex drive, makes u depressed and all kinds of bad shit


i want out of my plateau too! i'm not exercising for a week actually because i think i've pushed too much lately. working long hours hitting then gym then not really sleeping has turned out to be bad bad bad. i'm going to see if i can do it, because unlike most it's hard for me to NOT exercise for an extended amount of time.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-22-2009 01:13:

quote:
Originally posted by jennypie
Not saying that article is bunk...but have you got anything with more recent references/research material (within the last 5 years)?

No, I am pretty much new to the topic. I put "barefoot running" in Google and that came up.


Posted by Paradox Lost on Aug-22-2009 01:20:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
No, I am pretty much new to the topic. I put "barefoot running" in Google and that came up.


Some of the finest distance runners in recent history would be offended at the suggestion of footwear (at least during training).

I'll have to double check on this, but I think it may have been in 1986 that the winner of the Western States ultra-marathon (100 miles) completed the course barefoot.


Posted by Damerchi on Aug-22-2009 01:31:

converse shoes are great if you guys haven't tried jogging with them.


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Aug-22-2009 01:53:

quote:
Originally posted by chimera66
i want out of my plateau too! i'm not exercising for a week actually because i think i've pushed too much lately. working long hours hitting then gym then not really sleeping has turned out to be bad bad bad. i'm going to see if i can do it, because unlike most it's hard for me to NOT exercise for an extended amount of time.


I have been there a lot...I have problems sleeping as well, still! It's hard to not go cause u think your being lazy...at least in my head A week of nothing should do it, and a definite fix is changing your routine and types of exercises. Can't stress that enough!


Posted by Cpt.Cocaine on Aug-22-2009 01:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Paradox Lost
I'll have to double check on this, but I think it may have been in 1986 that the winner of the Western States ultra-marathon (100 miles) completed the course barefoot.


Well I haven't heard about that, but Abebe Bikila did set a new marathon record barefoot in the 1960 olympics.


Posted by Paradox Lost on Aug-22-2009 02:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine
Well I haven't heard about that, but Abebe Bikila did set a new marathon record barefoot in the 1960 olympics.


My old cross country coach was an ultra marathoner, and ran the Western States' a few times in the 80's. He mentioned that the winner in one particular year was from Mexico, and ran it barefoot. For some reason, I recall it being 1986.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-25-2009 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Interesting, I may try running barefoot next time. At the trail near my college I used to see a guy jogging barefoot pretty frequently and wondered why he was doing it. It's weird, though, most people run around barefoot as kids all the time, but then as we get older we all adopt fancy running shoes instead.

So I ran barefoot the past few days, going easy the first day to get used to it, and I really enjoy it so far. The muscles in my feet and ankles were a bit sorer than usual for the first two days, but I got myself up to running some sprints today and I feel like I'm getting used to it already because they aren't very sore at all. It also feels like my feet and ankles are really being worked and will get much stronger as I keep it up. I think I'm sticking with this.

On another note I want to get some plyometric boxes to do box jumps:

http://www.jumpusa.com/mm5/merchant..._Code=JUMPBOX24

Hopefully I can find some that cost less than that, though.


Posted by Cpt.Cocaine on Aug-25-2009 01:46:

Welcome, brother.

What I'm doing right now is running my regular routine in my shoes on every 2nd day and gradually increasing barefoot mileage every other day. Once I get used to it I'll just drop the shoes completely and probably get some of these for tougher terrain;


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