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holy crap, my mom just offered we go to england at the inivtation of my aunt, i just need to sort out a passport quickly lol

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Originally posted by Psy-T holy crap, my mom just offered we go to england at the inivtation of my aunt, i just need to sort out a passport quickly lol

fuk ya go for it. Have a lil vacation far away from any harm. Have fun!!!

http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/

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Originally posted by Cyrus King http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/

pathetic way to get empathy.

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Originally posted by epsilon1 pathetic way to get empathy.

Are you for real guy, empathy, that is not empathy its what's happening on the ground in pursuit of the terrorists. I bet Israel is really proud of their actions.

Just imagine if this pussy media over here actually showed half the stuff that pinpoint, targeted, guided 500lb bombs do. Now what did any of those individuals have to do with Hezbollah, just for being Lebanese you pay a dear price. I bet the parents of those children if they are even alive are real thankful for Israels help.

For me myself who didn't hold any animosity against Israel in the past, I find these actions to be beyond disgusting and will never hold a decent view of that nation again. Yeah these acts will get rid of the terrorists, fucking joke. There is no seeking of empathy in such images that is grounded in reality. Watching this bullshit will make me devote myself to peace activism because this is fucked up to the highest degree. Only a few more weeks to accomplish the goal according to the Israelis.

I dont know how many of you guys have participated in the Israel/Palestine thread but there is this video there Link
I suggest whoever hasnt seen it to see it, specially the Israelis posting here.

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Originally posted by jonSun Ya i dont think the blogger was sure either. He said the news was reporting it, but he didnt know what to believe. He was right about the western media though. After i read this i went & put on some news. They were reporting that over 230 died in Lebanon & that most were civilians. But it wasnt the top story. Ofcorse the 8 killed in Haifa was the top story. And they even were reporting the amount of people in Israel being admitted to the hospital because of panic attacks. I was thinking, who gives a fuck abt panic attacks. That is not news when innocent civilians are dying in Lebanon. But its what western media feels is important.

That's a Fox News specialty, unfair and unbalanced bullshit. They sure ran with those 8 dead in Haifa attack when it happened, never mind the amount of Lebanese killed. I wonder how many of those are members of Hezbollah. All the while the world watches like its some freakshow and we have given Israel our full support, politicians are tumbling over themselves to speak about Israels right to defend itself, well no shit.

If people think Israel spontaneously decided to bomb Beirut after the incident with their soldiers then they are also inclined to believe that Israel is doing the Lebanese a wonderful favor like their patronising UN Ambassador was doing when speaking at the U.N. the other day. Speaking to the Lebanese like they were a bunch of children, about their best interests and if you could stand with me you would agree.

The biggest fucking irony is that Hardcore Trancer and Cyrus King both live ON OCCUPIED TERRITORIES.

Newsflash: NORTH AMERICA WAS ONCE "OWNED" BY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. It's obvious these two cretins are all about the rights of indigenous people, well - Native Americans are INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. If you are sooo into ownership, who lived where, etc. - why don't you get the fuck out of north america, since most of it has been stolen from Natives? Oh, and another newsflash for you, dipshit - Mexicans ARE NATIVES of North America. They are different descendants of various Indian Tribes and there was once a time when they did not speak Spanish. The way you had regarded Mexicans would lead me to believe that you're not just racist against Yanks, you're also racist against Mexicans too, the indigenous population. I don't see you shouting too much about that, now, do I?

You two are clueless, completely useless sacks of biomaterials that would have been better put to use if you became donors of vital organs.

Your pathetic existance and filthy annoying yelping from the comfort and security of your computers makes everyone here either cringe, laugh, or sad. Thankfully, there are only few other debiles here - and you are a funny bunch of muppets. Hope your head explodes, your heart stops, and your liver disintegrates as a result of your vile anger and impotent frustration with the fact that you two measly roaches are incapable of doing anything but bark at the screen.

So, little doggies - keep barking. I laugh at you!

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Originally posted by Temperate Sure I can. Get MY government to stop supporting you. Then you've basically got nothing. You can trade some citrus fruits if you want, but you can't last on that forever.

YOUR government? Who the fuck are you? You're so fucking near-sighted and dumb that you make illiterate bumpkins look like fucking Einstein. Do us all a favor, fill your bath with water, take your computer with you, connect it to the wall outlet, sit in the tub and throw the computer in the water.

You are percisely what's wrong with America - you socialist, racist, mindless excuse of a human being (and even that is highly questionable). I am ashamed to live in the same country with a total idiot like yourself. Go back to your KKK klan and hang yourself on your white robes, you fuckwit.

P.S. You can kiss my Israel-supporting, Islamist/Terrorist/Racist-hating, Jewish ASS!

MKAYthxBuhBye

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Originally posted by emc^2 The biggest fucking irony is that Hardcore Trancer and Cyrus King both live ON OCCUPIED TERRITORIES. Newsflash: NORTH AMERICA WAS ONCE "OWNED" BY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, who these two cretins are so intent on protecting by their vile comments. If you are sooo into ownership, who lived where, etc. - why don't you get the fuck out of north america, since most of it has been stolen from Natives? Oh, and another newsflash for you, dipshit - Mexicans ARE NATIVES of North America. They are different descendants of various Indian Tribes and there was once a time when they did not speak Spanish. The way you had regarded Mexicans would lead me to believe that you're not just racist against Yanks, you're also racist against Mexicans too, the indigenous population.

That line of argumenting is kind of useless given that the natives that are left throught the whole american content (yes not just north america) have either been reimbursed somehow or live in their own private communities on their own land. Also a little important fact is the lack of bombing and terrorism. The only 'terrorism' in America is in Colombia and its not even by the natives claiming their land its about coke. So please if your going to make analogies at least have them make sense.

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Originally posted by venomX That line of argumenting is kind of useless given that the natives that are left throught the whole american content (yes not just north america) have either been reimbursed somehow or live in their own private communities on their own land. Also a little important fact is the lack of bombing and terrorism. The only 'terrorism' in America is in Colombia and its not even by the natives claiming their land its about coke. So please if your going to make analogies at least have them make sense.

There's a big difference. Palestinians ARE NOT A NATIONALITY, THERE'S NO SUCH TRIBE. They are also what you would call beduins, gypsies, turks, persians, arabs, and other conglomeration of various origins. Can you name a palestinian dish? Is there a Palestinian language? Is there a Palestinian culture?

Also, I'm sure most of the "natives" would see the "deal" they got differently. So, if I use your logic - all it really is about - give these "Palestinians" money, they already have territories - and we can call it a day, right?

Hope you're not as dumb as you portray yourself to be.

I really don't see why there is any debating even happening. It's painfully obvious that diplomacy DOES NOT WORK with groups like Hezbollah. Is Israel really supposed to take the abuse? Soldiers were kidnapped, and what is Israel suppose to do about it? Talk it over with the terrorists? Impose economic sanctions on whatever shit hole country they are from? Cry to the very effective U.N. about it? Or give in to their demands of 1,000 prisoners? By any means, what was done was an act of war, and Israel has every right to carry out military operations untill something changes.
Is your heart bleeding for the Lebonese civilians that have been killed? Then ofcourse, blame Israel! They are the ones who are bombing them, so it's obviously their fault. Wait, but isnt it known that groups like Hezbollah fight from behind civilians?...using them as shields? What about the members of Hezbollah who are also members of the parliament? Who voted them in? Oh, they TOOK power, right? Who's fault is that? Why cant the leaders of the country controll their own boarders so that no wars are accidently triggered? OH YEA, Hezbollah doesent take orders from Lebanon, but thats a whole different story.
So, becasue of the disgusting tactics used by Hezbollah to get civilian casualites up in order to have more support in the world for them and against Israel, Israel can't do anything? They have to negotiate with the terrorists? Give them what they want? What prevents them from absuing their leverage over Israel in the future? It's time Israel took a hardline approach in combating these fucks.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Are you for real guy, empathy, that is not empathy its what's happening on the ground in pursuit of the terrorists. I bet Israel is really proud of their actions. Just imagine if this pussy media over here actually showed half the stuff that pinpoint, targeted, guided 500lb bombs do. Now what did any of those individuals have to do with Hezbollah, just for being Lebanese you pay a dear price. I bet the parents of those children if they are even alive are real thankful for Israels help. For me myself who didn't hold any animosity against Israel in the past, I find these actions to be beyond disgusting and will never hold a decent view of that nation again. Yeah these acts will get rid of the terrorists, fucking joke. There is no seeking of empathy in such images that is grounded in reality. Watching this bullshit will make me devote myself to peace activism because this is fucked up to the highest degree. Only a few more weeks to accomplish the goal according to the Israelis.

there are views like these on our side either, you dont see us running and showing them. Only pathetic inhumane ppl show these photos. Hezbollah has taken the war to the lebanese citizens..
what do our killed and wounded citizens have to do with that?

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Originally posted by emc^2 There's a big difference. Palestinians ARE NOT A NATIONALITY, THERE'S NO SUCH TRIBE. They are also what you would call beduins, gypsies, turks, persians, arabs, and other conglomeration of various origins. Can you name a palestinian dish? Is there a Palestinian language? Is there a Palestinian culture? Also, I'm sure most of the "natives" would see the "deal" they got differently. So, if I use your logic - all it really is about - give these "Palestinians" money, they already have territories - and we can call it a day, right? Hope you're not as dumb as you portray yourself to be.

No, im not by any means excusing the colonization that took place in America, and no im not by any means calling for a disbandment of Israel which are both things you seem to be asuming. And no i do not think giving them money fixes thing, I was making a point that the analogy you used is not parallel to the case you were describing. No onto more important things, even regardless of the fact that they "are not a nationality or tribe", they are still human beings and deserve to be treated with dignity. Yes, their form of retaliation is innapropiate but the more i read on this whole situation the more i tend to shy away from siding with Israel. What the IDF has been doing for years now is inhumane, and dont even start with the "israeli casualties" because the palestinian "collateral damage" is in ridiculously higher numbers. Now, if you dont agree that these people should be treated better and another solution should be sought to this conflict and that Israel having the upper hand should curve the violence that they exert on palestine than we can call it a day.

You know what, it's like arguing with children trying to reason with you guys, i will leave you and the other extremists in this thread to fight amongst yourself. If you can't see the disproportinate damage that Israel has inflicted on Palestine and now Lebanon you either failed basic arithmetic or lack common sense, and therefore i will not waste my time with you.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan For me myself who didn't hold any animosity against Israel in the past, I find these actions to be beyond disgusting and will never hold a decent view of that nation again. Yeah these acts will get rid of the terrorists, fucking joke. There is no seeking of empathy in such images that is grounded in reality. Watching this bullshit will make me devote myself to peace activism because this is fucked up to the highest degree. Only a few more weeks to accomplish the goal according to the Israelis.

NYCTrancefan, this is horrible, really. (not being sarcastic or anything).
but then again I ask, what can you possibly do? ynet has an article about IDF targets...and it says:
1000 targets were bombed in Lebanon
180 out of them are missiles hideouts
350 out of them are missile-launching areas
250 out of them are bridges and roads
200 out of them are Hezbollah operation buildings (60 out of those 200 are in southern Beirut)
do the math...20 targets out of the 1000 shouldn't have been bombed. that's still a lot, but it happens. besides, it has been said several times that IDF has warned civilians about the targets it's about to bomb, giving them several hours to go someplace safe.

on the other hand, Hezbollah fired 800 missiles on civilian targets in Israel since the beginning of this 'war'. if it wasn't for the IDF rear area headquarters warnings, casualties numbers here could have been worse.

I really feel for the Lebanese people. but if you read one of my posts the previous pages, you'd see that I wrote that Hezbollah blocked roads for civilians who wanted to flee to the north, away from the bombing targets (it was on the news couple of hours earlier today). how's that for an organization that supposed to 'care' for the Lebanese people?

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Originally posted by epsilon1 there are views like these on our side either, you dont see us running and showing them. Only pathetic inhumane ppl show these photos. Hezbollah has taken the war to the lebanese citizens..?

You make a very key point, one can fault the Lebanese government for not being able to do more about keeping a lid on Hezbollah, with that said what was the rest of the world doing to help Lebanon to strengthen itself to be able to deal with Hezbollah. I have said it many times Lebanon is a fragile place, that can only be plunged into further bloodshed even if this scenariou subsides. Were the U.S, Europeans, U.N. helping to strengthen the Lebanese government to be able to deal with a group like Hezbollah. Where was the support after the Syrians left or was it just ignored and led to what we see now after all we all knew Hezbollah was on the border with Israel. The Lebanese couldn't confront Hezbollah from a postion of weakness but only one of stength and the former condition is the one it was governing in.

Unless Israel gets a lucky break and finds where those soldiers are I don't see how they are getting them back, so I imagine their response was like the berserk, fired mailman that returns to shoot up the place to make a point. Point made and far more innocent Lebanese have been at the end of that than Hezbollah. Hey Israel did say it was a war so from their perspective they have no quarems about the response they enacted.

yes, the lebanese democracy is extremely fragile, yet most of them and the public support Hezbollah, which is indirectly devastating Lebanon, why is that?

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Originally posted by ronk NYCTrancefan, this is horrible, really. (not being sarcastic or anything). but then again I ask, what can you possibly do? ynet has an article about IDF targets...and it says: 1000 targets were bombed in Lebanon 180 out of them are missiles hideouts 350 out of them are missile-launching areas 250 out of them are bridges and roads 200 out of them are Hezbollah operation buildings (60 out of those 200 are in southern Beirut) do the math...20 targets out of the 1000 shouldn't have been bombed. that's still a lot, but it happens. besides, it has been said several times that IDF has warned civilians about the targets it's about to bomb, giving them several hours to go someplace safe. on the other hand, Hezbollah fired 800 missiles on civilian targets in Israel since the beginning of this 'war'. if it wasn't for the IDF rear area headquarters warnings, casualties numbers here could have been worse. I really feel for the Lebanese people. but if you read one of my posts the previous pages, you'd see that I wrote that Hezbollah blocked roads for civilians who wanted to flee to the north, away from the bombing targets (it was on the news couple of hours earlier today). how's that for an organization that supposed to 'care' for the Lebanese people?

Hey I wish the IDF and Hezbollah could square off and settle this issue, but that won't happen unless ground troops enter Lebanon. I see it from the perspective of more Western minded Lebanese I guess who don't want anything to do with Hezbollah, wants to see Lebanon rebuild before this happened and don't subscribe to any religious notion of destroying another nation. There are two sides to a story of course. I just wished that a society so varied didn't have to suffer to this extent because one of the parties in that nation operates on fundamentalism as opposed to peace and security. Moreover the greater dangers lies in quite possibly Iran in relation to Israel and this proxy war is costing people's lives who don't share in Lebanon the ideals of Iran except Hezbollah.

and by reimbursed, venom means given the right to hunt and fish without regulation, steal cars, riding lawmowers and bikes without re-course, occupy legally purchased land, claim it as their own, ransack the buildings on said property and loot their valuables, cut down hydro transmission towers to use as road blocks, assault the media and non natives who protest tehir actions, and get away with it all....... and thats just the tip of the iceberg.......... i havent even gotten to the native colors........ labatt blue and labatt blue light

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Originally posted by venomX No, im not by any means excusing the colonization that took place in America, and no im not by any means calling for a disbandment of Israel which are both things you seem to be asuming. And no i do not think giving them money fixes thing, I was making a point that the analogy you used is not parallel to the case you were describing. No onto more important things, even regardless of the fact that they "are not a nationality or tribe", they are still human beings and deserve to be treated with dignity. Yes, their form of retaliation is innapropiate but the more i read on this whole situation the more i tend to shy away from siding with Israel. What the IDF has been doing for years now is inhumane, and dont even start with the "israeli casualties" because the palestinian "collateral damage" is in ridiculously higher numbers. Now, if you dont agree that these people should be treated better and another solution should be sought to this conflict and that Israel having the upper hand should curve the violence that they exert on palestine than we can call it a day.

YOu sound like a reasonable guy. Now, while I don't condone killings of innocent civilians, what you and your like-minded fellows here fail to see is a simple point.

We are not talking about a conventional warfare here. We are talking about militia/partisan/splinter cell type of situation. I am sure that if Israel had a choice between fighting uniformed soldiers on a battlefield there would not be such a high rate of civilian casualties.

You are also forgetting that it is a WAR. It's not a confrontation, it's not a diplomatic issue, it's an ongoing war. Palestinians want Israel gone. Not parts of it, not neighborhoods ALL OF IT.

You surrender an inch, they want extra mile. You surrender a mile, they want extra 100. When do you stop surrendering? Do you suggest that Israel just says: "Ok boys and girls, we tried shit didn't work out. I think we should all just move to Florida - same sunny weather, pristine beaches, plenty of swamps to turn into desirable property. Besides, most of our relatives are already there"?

Average Palestinians may want this conflict to end but extremist Palestinians don't want it. They had a chance to have the same rights as average Israelis - even freedom of religion (something that's rarely present in Arab countries). They were offered options to co-exist. "NO, we don't want to be part of Israel - we want it ALL. Oh and p.s. we want you dead too".

Coming back to the issue - Palestinian or Lebanese terrorists intentionally position themselves among civilians to increase casualties. HEZBOLAH AND HAMAS are responsible for civilian deaths. They know that if they strike from civilian positions, Israel will retaliate and will shoot back. They know civilians will get killed. What do they do? They continue using human shields. What does that tell you? It's not like it's any news. So, who's a bigger villain? A country that's provoked to shoot back or terrorists who provoke it and then hide among the innocents?

Get your shit straight. Also, don't forget that alot of these accounts are reported by questionable sources and I would not be surprised if the count was purposely exaggerated, not that it makes it any better but still - the theory is not that far-fetched.

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Originally posted by epsilon1 yes, the lebanese democracy is extremely fragile, yet most of them and the public support Hezbollah, which is indirectly devastating Lebanon, why is that?

Which only serves to further highlight my point of offering more support to Lebanon on the part of the international community as opposed to ignoring it after Syria left. What does it say about the government if as you claim Hezbollah was drawing the bulk of support, what were they doing that the government wasn't doing in the nation. Looking now one should have realized this but as with many things its too little too late and I just hope this situation ends soon.

Ronk, you, the palenstines you are all part of the propoganda machine...There are many logical people in this thread with no emotional attachment to the issue, who have provided facts that both sides have dismissed, due to being brainwashed. Your version of history is somewhat warped and distorted. I dont blame you for that either.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Hey I wish the IDF and Hezbollah could square off and settle this issue, but that won't happen unless ground troops enter Lebanon.

if Israel will enter ground troops, it probably will be regarded as an 'occupation', which will 'give' Hezbollah legitimacy to its actions.

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Originally posted by epsilon1 yes, the lebanese democracy is extremely fragile, yet most of them and the public support Hezbollah, which is indirectly devastating Lebanon, why is that?

havent we already established that this isnt accurate?

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Originally posted by Epicurus the Lebanese parliament is dominated by Anti-Syrian members

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