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The only facts are that we as normal folk pretty much have to rely on what supposed "experts" have to say on this subject. You can research the basics of nuclear reactor technology all you want, but you're far from being a nuclear technician. Even current and former nuclear techs can't know exactly what is happening in the reactors. They may think they do, but as with every other nuclear accident, most of the hard facts won't be discovered until later when the incident has been resolved and research is able to be done.

I think a more interesting question is that if that crazy nuclear fallout in the US picture was true, would our government tell us? If yes, what would they do? Is it even possible to evacuate millions of people in 10 days, most of whom are probably in a panic?

^^ posted that video yesterday
Watching the news here, they had a segment about American's stockpiling on things Quick check on ebay and

Potassium Iodate 85 mg 400 tablets Iodide, Iodine E7/19
US $255.00

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Potassium-Io...1#ht_500wt_1156

Seriously?

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Originally posted by DancingMonkey The only facts are that we as normal folk pretty much have to rely on what supposed "experts" have to say on this subject. You can research the basics of nuclear reactor technology all you want, but you're far from being a nuclear technician. Even current and former nuclear techs can't know exactly what is happening in the reactors.

I know a nuclear tech who said several days ago that it had to be worse than they were letting on. 2 days ago they started pouring Boron on to the reactor, and according to this guy that is one of the LAST things you attempt.. It is a last ditch effort at preventing radiation from spilling out after all other efforts fail. Since that was apparently one of the first things they tried in this case, it can't be a good sign.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt I know a nuclear tech who said several days ago that it had to be worse than they were letting on. 2 days ago they started pouring Boron on to the reactor, and according to this guy that is one of the LAST things you attempt.. It is a last ditch effort at preventing radiation from spilling out after all other efforts fail. Since that was apparently one of the first things they tried in this case, it can't be a good sign.

You understand what Boric Acid does, right?

It was one of the first things they did, because it absorbs neutrons. This was done in the beginning to slow the nuclear chain reaction even faster, after the control rods were automatically inserted when the quake hit. There has NOT been a nuclear chain reaction happening anywhere in the plant for DAYS now. The issue is with the nuclear fuel decaying from being exposed, and that their cooling systems have been knocked out.

I would like a source on the Japanese using Boric Acid in the last day, or even two days.

Only noticed this today or i would have gotten to it sooner.

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Originally posted by colin traveller Am actually astonished that you firmly believe the risks are acceptable .. to build plants in regions that are prone to Earthquakes Consider the tsunami was 30ft in max height reportedly .. 30ft is SFA in sailing in storm force seas as this video will show you and please notice that the flight deck sits 60ft above the water line ..and still the waves come over the top again that blows your claim that the 30ft waves is only a 1 in 10,000 year event .. when waves of such height are a common occurance out at sea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccn3ieux6iU

Yeah, those waves at sea in the vid have nothing whatsoever to do with tsunamis no matter how frequent they are. Those are ordinary wind waves, they could be 10 times the size of what they are in that video and hit the power plant and we probably still woudnt be having the problems we have today. I dont like posting youtube links as my arguments, but im to busy to write a responce right now and this guy is apparently a weatherman so he knows the difference between wind waves and tsunamis which you apparently dont so ill let him explain it to you.

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Originally posted by DancingMonkey The only facts are that we as normal folk pretty much have to rely on what supposed "experts" have to say on this subject. You can research the basics of nuclear reactor technology all you want, but you're far from being a nuclear technician. Even current and former nuclear techs can't know exactly what is happening in the reactors. They may think they do, but as with every other nuclear accident, most of the hard facts won't be discovered until later when the incident has been resolved and research is able to be done. I think a more interesting question is that if that crazy nuclear fallout in the US picture was true, would our government tell us? If yes, what would they do? Is it even possible to evacuate millions of people in 10 days, most of whom are probably in a panic?

Yea, you can study it, learn about it, and make educated guesses and speculation into what is or could happen...

Or you could be a fucking moron and invent shit in your head like "what if this obviously fake image is true, would the government tell us" and go on living a scared, pathetic life of paranoia and mistrust that is based on ignorance and self-loathing.

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Originally posted by Lira Like I said before, I didn't mean to offend anyone. However, this is painful to watch already and, if there's any snideness in my comment, it's not directed at the believers of a higher power, but at Whoever is in charge. I get it, just a few thousand people were affected by this, but isn't it enough already!? And I don't want this to be a religious debate, there are more serious problems to think about, such as the existence of this group whose pics Moongoose demands to see:

For the record; I was not offened (nor am I ever when people question/mock my faith); rather, I just thought your taking the opportunity to make an unprevoked jab at people who (misguided as they may be) are only showing love for the very same people you are exhibited profoundly poor taste and judgment on your part.

haha, that's the spirit lira! we'll make a cunt out of you yet!

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Originally posted by Sushipunk You understand what Boric Acid does, right? It was one of the first things they did, because it absorbs neutrons. This was done in the beginning to slow the nuclear chain reaction even faster, after the control rods were automatically inserted when the quake hit. There has NOT been a nuclear chain reaction happening anywhere in the plant for DAYS now. The issue is with the nuclear fuel decaying from being exposed, and that their cooling systems have been knocked out. I would like a source on the Japanese using Boric Acid in the last day, or even two days.

I'll try and find where I read that the boric acid had to be added to the salt water for some reason...

Salt water can increase the ability of neutron transport... Boron is probably being added to prevent that.

For example, the original Little Boy bomb design, they were scared that a crash landing in the water before the bomb was dropped would cause a fizzle or premature detonation to occur if salt water got into the cannon tube assembly of the weapon. The salt water would allow neutron transport between the target rings at the front of the bomb and the projectile rings at the back of the bomb, causing criticality.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Salt water can increase the ability of neutron transport... Boron is probably being added to prevent that.

Yah that's it..

Thanks. I was way too lazy to look it up..

Lol

This earthquake released a surface energy (Me) of 1.9�0.5�1017 joules,[63] dissipated as shaking and tsunamic energy, which is nearly double that of the 9.1-magnitude 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami that killed 230,000 people, and flung the 2,600 ton Apung 1 ship 2 to 3 km (1.2 to 1.9 mi) inland. "If we could only harness the [surface] energy from this earthquake, it would power [a] city the size of Los Angeles for an entire year," USGS director Marcia McNutt said in an interview.[64] The total energy released, also known as the seismic moment (M0), was more than 200,000 times the surface energy and was calculated by the USGS at 3.9�1022 joules,[65] slightly less than the 2004 Indian Ocean quake. This is equivalent to 9.32 teratons of TNT, or approximately 600 million times the energy of the Hiroshima bomb.

Damn. I had no idea dolphins were so powerful.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Damn. I had no idea dolphins were so powerful.

No wonder the Japanese eat that shit.

I had no idea that Japan's subdivisions had such cool flags!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...fSymbol-Mie.svg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...l-Yamanashi.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Prefecture.svg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...i%2C_Miyagi.svg

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard No wonder the Japanese eat that shit.

Ooooooo..

Karma for The Cove???

Guys stop being so insensitive. Dolphins have feelings too.

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Originally posted by Lira Dear people praying for Japan, You know those people you're praying for? Who are now homeless because of the earthquake and the tsunami? It's now snowing there and they're freezing to death. You need to pray harder. xoxoxoxo, - Lira

I lol'd.

less banter more facts, people.

reminds me of Biloxi and the MS Gulf Coast after Katrina. except Katrina took hours, this took minutes.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard For the record; I was not offened (nor am I ever when people question/mock my faith); rather, I just thought your taking the opportunity to make an unprevoked jab at people who (misguided as they may be) are only showing love for the very same people you are exhibited profoundly poor taste and judgment on your part.

This is where I guess we disagree. That was hardly a jab or, for that matter, an unprovoked comment. It was more like a vent, and one that I only voiced here because that's how I managed to let it out and I still don't know how I can effectively say that to those who need to hear it.

It was my reaction to the difference in discourse between the Brazilian community (who is in general largely religious) and the natives around here. You don't hear the Japanese (except for the small religious minorities) say that we should pray/meditate/think-happy-thoughts unless it agrees with their stoicism and their get-up-and-work-already mentality. The Brazilians keep waiting for some pie in the sky where their problems will all be resolved by a higher power. In the context I find myself in, slacktivism - religious or otherwise - is not just an excuse to feel yourself better when you're doing little at all, but an inexcusable escapism we should try to avoid.

I didn't know how to effectively say it where I am, so I decided to humorously post a sardonic plea here where we're usually free to vent.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN haha, that's the spirit lira! we'll make a cunt out of you yet!

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Yea, you can study it, learn about it, and make educated guesses and speculation into what is or could happen... Or you could be a fucking moron and invent shit in your head like "what if this obviously fake image is true, would the government tell us" and go on living a scared, pathetic life of paranoia and mistrust that is based on ignorance and self-loathing.

EASY THERE, DOCTOR SCIENCE!!!

I think acting as though you know what is happening in a nuclear reactor in Japan that has been through a disaster because you've read up some articles on the internet is more foolish than asking a hypothetical question and admitting not knowing the answer to it.

I know the image is fake, ******. Let me spell my post out for you so that you can understand what I am trying to say. I am NOT saying that the image is real. Nor am I saying that it is going to happen. Much like a human being with an imagination, or a sci fi writer, i'm wondering what would happen if it WERE true. The answers to my questions are no more attainable than the ones about the fukishima reactors, but I think they're more interesting to debate about, personally.

So would they tell us, and is it possible to evacuate millions of people in 10 days?

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Originally posted by DancingMonkey So would they tell us, and is it possible to evacuate millions of people in 10 days?

The government wouldn't have to tell us, we'd know from Japan and from the international community monitoring the situation. Even then though, YES, the US government would tell you. Why would they not? What would they possibly gain from NOT telling you?

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Originally posted by kadomony I had no idea that Japan's subdivisions had such cool flags! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...fSymbol-Mie.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...l-Yamanashi.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Prefecture.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...i%2C_Miyagi.svg

Yea they do, except all the ones in Kansai looked the same to me, at least for Kobe, Kyoto and Osaka... Also they are on everything, buildings, manhole covers, telephone poles...

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