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Originally posted by discojoe what were their motives in Bosnia?

humanitarian .. ? what makes them choose solving one country's problems over another .. ?

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Originally posted by Cal Well I was still a little kid when this all happened but I know what some people were doing at this time. Donald Rumsfeld was shaking Hussein's hand and smiling at him when people were getting killed by Saddam. US gov was funneling arms to Iraq and training Iraqi military when people were getting killed by Saddam US gov lobbied on behalf of Saddam in the UN and elsewhere internationally when people were being killed by Saddam. There are plenty of reasons for this war to stop, you just have to listen.

Protesting here? for what? what good would that have done? protesting does nothing. It is weak display of opinion. seeing pictures of protestors (sp) in the street remind me of a spoiled child sitting on the department store floor kicking their feet cause they didn't get what they wanted. I think alot of us are spoiled with our freedom.

I have kept my ears open through out the entire debate (not the forum, i am talking the issue as a whole) I feel people are listening but not weighing out the goods and bads.....

about US involvment with saddam in the 80's:
I agree, that training any one non-american, or arming anyone non-american was and is a mistake, especially for politcal gain. It is something i am ashamed of i am against in the future. I do not think we should get involved with other countries problems or conflicts, and we should not fund them or supply them for politcal gain, it is wrong. However, I feel that the U.S. should get involved if innocent people are being murdered or starved to death in any country because of politcal or religous (sp) struggle. the death of innocence during peace times calls for war. not to right it, but to stop it. i would drop a bomb that would kill 1,000 people today had i KNOW it would save a million lives tomorrow. i would give up my life today, and fight a war, so that my sisters and mother, and you and your family are safe at home where ever you are.
About now:
it is time saddam had paid for his crimes. I am disappointed that it took so long, and that this had not happened when saddam comitted the crimes but at least he pays for them. and we pay for our mistakes as well, you know. now, becuase of foolish mistake we made years ago. our boys and girls had to correct our parents wrong and put innocent bloodshed to an end by giving up their lives along with taking others. I am not proud people had to die these past few months. I am angry, and i am saddened. i wish it would have never came to this. i wish we had done something earlier, to prevent this. But at this point there is no sense crying over spilt milk. I want peace, and i want to avoid war, but i know the point where talking is a lost cause and it's time to take action.

again, no sense crying over spilt milk. the wheels are already set in motion, all we can do now is watch like a hawk. i pray every night and watch closely at what happens. i pray that this is not bush's attemp to pocket anything from that country, and if so I will be the first one at his doorstep.....


i guess my point was and still is: Talking, and protesting only takes you so far. There comes a point where action needs to be taken. Action does exactly mean violence or force, it means NOT standing around chanting slogans of what some would consider facts. it means doing SOMETHING. not nothing.

we had to get saddam out of iraq, we owe it to them in a sense. we are not imperialists (sp) we are human and we do our best to help as we can. at least we try....


p.s. the comment about the 12 year old? SHE'S twelve she knows nothing of suffering to be talking about the flag like that. The flag is a symbol of the idea of america and to compare it to a bum is unfair. NO ONE dies of starving in this country and that is a feat within itself (people here take the local fastfood establishments for granted), and bums have places to stay and clean up.... there are shelters of every kind in this country, and one in every city for that matter..... I have done over 1,000 hours of community service for school and church and i have fed those people...... they are there cause they are lazy! they have plenty of chance for small time jobs and low cost housing and they blow their money on drugs and alcohol.......one of my first job was working at the YMCA helping retarded kids take swimming lessons.... don't bring children into this.... they are in over their heads as it is, and it's not by their choice......

great...start this war on the topic of a war again???

listen everyone..just shut it....

as for hardtrance81, i dont see why u go to another country's forum to start some crap...dont u have ur own war thread in the US forums?? as it is we have enough of hot heads here....now im not saying u arent welcome.. but on topics such as this, u can fight elsewhere..

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Originally posted by HardTrance81 Protesting here? for what? what good would that have done? protesting does nothing. It is weak display of opinion. seeing pictures of protestors (sp) in the street remind me of a spoiled child sitting on the department store floor kicking their feet cause they didn't get what they wanted. I think alot of us are spoiled with our freedom. I have kept my ears open through out the entire debate (not the forum, i am talking the issue as a whole) I feel people are listening but not weighing out the goods and bads..... about US involvment with saddam in the 80's: I agree, that training any one non-american, or arming anyone non-american was and is a mistake, especially for politcal gain. It is something i am ashamed of i am against in the future. I do not think we should get involved with other countries problems or conflicts, and we should not fund them or supply them for politcal gain, it is wrong. However, I feel that the U.S. should get involved if innocent people are being murdered or starved to death in any country because of politcal or religous (sp) struggle. the death of innocence during peace times calls for war. not to right it, but to stop it. i would drop a bomb that would kill 1,000 people today had i KNOW it would save a million lives tomorrow. i would give up my life today, and fight a war, so that my sisters and mother, and you and your family are safe at home where ever you are. About now: it is time saddam had paid for his crimes. I am disappointed that it took so long, and that this had not happened when saddam comitted the crimes but at least he pays for them. and we pay for our mistakes as well, you know. now, becuase of foolish mistake we made years ago. our boys and girls had to correct our parents wrong and put innocent bloodshed to an end by giving up their lives along with taking others. I am not proud people had to die these past few months. I am angry, and i am saddened. i wish it would have never came to this. i wish we had done something earlier, to prevent this. But at this point there is no sense crying over spilt milk. I want peace, and i want to avoid war, but i know the point where talking is a lost cause and it's time to take action. again, no sense crying over spilt milk. the wheels are already set in motion, all we can do now is watch like a hawk. i pray every night and watch closely at what happens. i pray that this is not bush's attemp to pocket anything from that country, and if so I will be the first one at his doorstep..... i guess my point was and still is: Talking, and protesting only takes you so far. There comes a point where action needs to be taken. Action does exactly mean violence or force, it means NOT standing around chanting slogans of what some would consider facts. it means doing SOMETHING. not nothing.

wells .. i agree and disagree with you at the same time. i'm glad that atleast you justified your opinion on this unlike many other people who believe it just due to CNN. anyone backing this conflict should atleast feel some shame in the involvement that the US and many western allies had in causing this whole problem in the first place. in terms of protesting, i don't see anything wrong with it at all as long as it's not violent. people chaining themselves to doors, fences, etc. is going a bit too far. but at the same time, pro-war people protest as well. again nothing wrong unless it gets violent. hell, even pro-war - anti-war protesters almost got into a fight which could have erupted into a riot in New York .. so what you're saying can be associated with both sides of the coin. anyways, i acknowledge and appreciate your reasons for wanting this war for just causes, unfortunately not everyone on your side of the fence is going to think the same way. only time will tell if this conflict is tainted in conspiracy ..

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee great...start this war on the topic of a war again??? listen everyone..just shut it.... as for hardtrance81, i dont see why u go to another country's forum to start some crap...dont u have ur own war thread in the US forums?? as it is we have enough of hot heads here....now im not saying u arent welcome.. but on topics such as this, u can fight elsewhere..

i am not for this war like u Liam .. but let the man speak. we have the same right too.

atleast he's not flaming anyone ..

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Protesting here? for what? what good would that have done? protesting does nothing. It is weak display of opinion. seeing pictures of protestors (sp) in the street remind me of a spoiled child sitting on the department store floor kicking their feet cause they didn't get what they wanted. I think alot of us are spoiled with our freedom. I have kept my ears open through out the entire debate (not the forum, i am talking the issue as a whole) I feel people are listening but not weighing out the goods and bads..... about US involvment with saddam in the 80's: I agree, that training any one non-american, or arming anyone non-american was and is a mistake, especially for politcal gain. It is something i am ashamed of i am against in the future. I do not think we should get involved with other countries problems or conflicts, and we should not fund them or supply them for politcal gain, it is wrong. However, I feel that the U.S. should get involved if innocent people are being murdered or starved to death in any country because of politcal or religous (sp) struggle. the death of innocence during peace times calls for war. not to right it, but to stop it. i would drop a bomb that would kill 1,000 people today had i KNOW it would save a million lives tomorrow. i would give up my life today, and fight a war, so that my sisters and mother, and you and your family are safe at home where ever you are. About now: it is time saddam had paid for his crimes. I am disappointed that it took so long, and that this had not happened when saddam comitted the crimes but at least he pays for them. and we pay for our mistakes as well, you know. now, becuase of foolish mistake we made years ago. our boys and girls had to correct our parents wrong and put innocent bloodshed to an end by giving up their lives along with taking others. I am not proud people had to die these past few months. I am angry, and i am saddened. i wish it would have never came to this. i wish we had done something earlier, to prevent this. But at this point there is no sense crying over spilt milk. I want peace, and i want to avoid war, but i know the point where talking is a lost cause and it's time to take action. again, no sense crying over spilt milk. the wheels are already set in motion, all we can do now is watch like a hawk. i pray every night and watch closely at what happens. i pray that this is not bush's attemp to pocket anything from that country, and if so I will be the first one at his doorstep..... i guess my point was and still is: Talking, and protesting only takes you so far. There comes a point where action needs to be taken. Action does exactly mean violence or force, it means NOT standing around chanting slogans of what some would consider facts. it means doing SOMETHING. not nothing.

Oh dude I got nothing against your opinion on protesting. I just thought you were one of those people that buys in the whole "WoMD/atrocties/terrorist are the cause of the war" bullshit Bush's been spewing.

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Originally posted by Cal Oh dude I got nothing against your opinion on protesting. I just thought you were one of those people that buys in the whole "WoMD/atrocties/terrorist are the cause of the war" bullshit Bush's been spewing.

actually, now that i think of it, i think i share the same thought....sorry hardtrance...but still...fortopics like these i think one should stay to the chillout room or ur own country's section

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Originally posted by dEsidEL wells .. i agree and disagree with you at the same time. i'm glad that atleast you justified your opinion on this unlike many other people who believe it just due to CNN. anyone backing this conflict should atleast feel some shame in the involvement that the US and many western allies had in causing this whole problem in the first place. in terms of protesting, i don't see anything wrong with it at all as long as it's not violent. people chaining themselves to doors, fences, etc. is going a bit too far. but at the same time, pro-war people protest as well. again nothing wrong unless it gets violent. hell, even pro-war - anti-war protesters almost got into a fight which could have erupted into a riot in New York .. so what you're saying can be associated with both sides of the coin. anyways, i acknowledge and appreciate your reasons for wanting this war for just causes, unfortunately not everyone on your side of the fence is going to think the same way. only time will tell if this conflict is tainted in conspiracy ..

your right about protesting, it can be somewhat helpful to en extent. then it ends up in riots like you said. too many people in one place = stupidity. you and I, are here sharing our thoughts and not a bad word has been said. but you throw about 20 more people in here, and all of a sudden we turn into a bunch of ranting idiots... nothing gets solved that way.

Thank you for hearing me out, and i respect your opinoins as well. i know sometimes i get a little to too into debate but thats only cause i am passionate about whats going on. You guys are cool, we need more people like you here.

lol, DJ El Kay Dee is just mad cause I seriously flammed him in a couple forums.... flamming is nothing to be proud of, but there is noticable resentment(sp) cause of childish remarks. and as ofr the comment on the foreign forum, i consider myself a global citizen, if I want to learn anything about you guys i have stop in every once in a while and listen in.... it's not as good as traveling but will have to do until i get some more money.

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Originally posted by HardTrance81 lol, DJ El Kay Dee is just mad cause I seriously flammed him in a couple forums.... flamming is nothing to be proud of, but there is noticable resentment(sp) cause of childish remarks. and as ofr the comment on the foreign forum, i consider myself a global citizen, if I want to learn anything about you guys i have stop in every once in a while and listen in.... it's not as good as traveling but will have to do until i get some more money.

lol

no dood..im the kind to forgive and forget...

however i dunno if u know but this thread got really heated up a while back and just ahving someone from another country come and add to the fuel just makes it worse if u know what i mean.

about global citizen, try this on for size...

im an indian with portuguese decent (mom's side), born and raised in the middle east, now living in canda

lol

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee lol no dood..im the kind to forgive and forget... however i dunno if u know but this thread got really heated up a while back and just ahving someone from another country come and add to the fuel just makes it worse if u know what i mean. about global citizen, try this on for size... im an indian with portuguese decent (mom's side), born and raised in the middle east, now living in canda lol

I may not be as global as that, but my father's side is irish, 2 generations in america and my mother was born in brazil and her father was born in Sryia (sp) and i had spent time in brasil, but never in Syria

oh yeah, and i am only 6hours away from you guys... i live closer to you guys than i do my parents lol...... i was going to go to montreal a few weaks ago but plan didn't go through. i plan on going some time this summer though.....

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Originally posted by HardTrance81 I may not be as global as that, but my father's side is irish, 2 generations in america and my mother was born in brazil and her father was born in Sryia (sp) and i had spent time in brasil, but never in Syria oh yeah, and i am only 6hours away from you guys... i live closer to you guys than i do my parents lol...... i was going to go to montreal a few weaks ago but plan didn't go through. i plan on going some time this summer though.....

pffft montreal....

come to toronto...ahlamalek too will agree that TO is the place to be

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee im an indian with portuguese decent (mom's side), born and raised in the middle east, now living in canda lol

just curious, as to which type of Indian are you .. ? Cree.. ? Algonquin .. ? etc..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL just curious, as to which type of Indian are you .. ? Cree.. ? Algonquin .. ? etc..

wtf???

im a GOAN (ie. Indian from Goa, India)

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I think you have blurred the line between killing and communism....stop giving communism a bad name just becuase you live in a society that runs off the millions who dont get to ever live they way you do. Can you please list those other 50 nations? Rememeber, there are about 150 other nations who oppose this war, they are the ones that did not participate in the coalition of greed.

First of all read what I am replying to, then u can go to CNN and find them yourself.

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Originally posted by DigiNut DiS, what the fuck is this? Keep this anti-Israeli shit off the boards, okay? Do some fucking research on the political turmoil that's gone on in the middle east rather than posting this Al-Jazeera bullshit.

DigiNut...I'm DiS! Not Cal!

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Originally posted by DiS DigiNut...I'm DiS! Not Cal!

hehehehe..thats why he calls himself digi-nut..lol

j/k

In today's fast-paced world, who knows who is who anymore?

I mean, one day you're having coffee with your best friend, and the next day you find him selling his ass on a streetcorner...

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Originally posted by Cal I mean, one day you're having coffee with your best friend, and the next day you find him selling his ass on a streetcorner...

no dude...selling his ass on e-bay

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no dude...selling his ass on e-bay

Like this dude?

http://www.angelfire.com/super/outs...y_s_Blunder.jpg

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Originally posted by DiS DigiNut...I'm DiS! Not Cal!

Oops... that's embarrassing.

I sincerely apologize to you DiS.

And Cal, you suck my left nut.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Oops... that's embarrassing. I sincerely apologize to you DiS. And Cal, you suck my left nut.

heh way to go ACE ..

Aw dude that's harsh. HAAARSH.

All I did was post some UN history. Besides, you have to be stupid to be in favour of one side, considering what BOTH Israel and Palestine have done in the past to each other.

What are you, some kind of moron?

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Originally posted by Cal Aw dude that's harsh. HAAARSH. All I did was post some UN history. Besides, you have to be stupid to be in favour of one side, considering what BOTH Israel and Palestine have done in the past to each other. What are you, some kind of moron?

dude..just drop it...diginut is on neither side as well...its just taht some things upset him...he was upset when i quoted the same sorta thing before..just drop the whole thing

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dude..just drop it...diginut is on neither side as well...its just taht some things upset him...he was upset when i quoted the same sorta thing before..just drop the whole thing

Hey I got nothing against him. It just upsets me when people tell me to suck their nut, left OR right.

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Originally posted by Cal Hey I got nothing against him. It just upsets me when people tell me to suck their nut, left OR right.

usually when people say that, they dont really mean it in a bad way, knowing diginut, he mustve said that just for the heck of it

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