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Do you run long distance? I do mostly short to middle distance speed work. I haven't tried running more than half a mile continuously in bare feet yet, so I'm not sure how the two styles (long and short distance) of running compare in wear on the feet.

I'm still relatively new to running (been doing it for a couple of months now) and I'm doing 3-4 mile runs at a slowish pace. Barefoot I'm up to about 1 mile. Could probably do more but I don't want to push it too fast.

I really should have given barefoot running a try when I had the monstrous callouses for it.

Not I've gotten soft!

I thought sprints might be too hard for a bare foot beginner (me) because they're so high-impact, but my feet seem to have handled them just fine.

Yeah, I find the impact has more to do with how you land than how fast you're going. For sprinting I'd be more worried about not being able to scan the road ahead and ending up stepping on glass.

took about a week and a half off in the gym no strength losses and maybe a little bit of gains that came from ?

I agree with cpt coke about the impact. I have low arches and overpronate so I find it key to work on my form and landing lightly.

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Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine Yeah, I find the impact has more to do with how you land than how fast you're going. For sprinting I'd be more worried about not being able to scan the road ahead and ending up stepping on glass.

That's why I run on a field.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi converse shoes are great if you guys haven't tried jogging with them.

Uh...no.

The main thing to look out for with barefoot running is additional strain on your Achilles tendon. If you have spent a long time training in shoes, your foot adapts to having a heel support, so that when you switch over it is a sudden shock for your foot. This was always a big issue for me when transitioning between the cross country and athletic seasons and making the switch from heeled shoes to athletic spikes.

JBJ and Cocaine, I would recommend that after you master running barefoot on grass and dirt, you try sand. It is very hard on your ligaments and tendons due to your feet sinking with each step, but is an excellent supplement to do once a week or so. The wet sand feels great beneath your toes if you run on a beach too.

the converse shoe feels like a decent interim medium between a cushioned sneaker and barefoot running-although the shoe that cpt coke posted looks like it would be a much better choice.

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Originally posted by Domesticated JBJ and Cocaine, I would recommend that after you master running barefoot on grass and dirt, you try sand. It is very hard on your ligaments and tendons due to your feet sinking with each step, but is an excellent supplement to do once a week or so. The wet sand feels great beneath your toes if you run on a beach too.

Don't have any sand nearby unfortunately. I've been having no problems running on asphalt so far.

The tendon thing depends somewhat on your form. I was never a heel striker even with super-cushioned heels, and now I keep my heels even further up, so I'm not sure if this is an issue.

The only sand I have is a nearby volleyball court. I guess I could try running some laps around it.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles On another note I want to get some plyometric boxes to do box jumps: http://www.jumpusa.com/mm5/merchant..._Code=JUMPBOX24 Hopefully I can find some that cost less than that, though.

Improvised today by doing jumps on to a picnic table bench that was about the right height. The bench was quite stable and worked great. Love doing box jumps.

I went back to the gym last week for the first time in like 3-4 months. I knew I was a bit over my ideal weight of 95kg so figured I'd have to lose about 5kg. I go to weigh myself and I weigh almost 105kg

Fuck, that motivated me. Obviously I took a few days off gym as my muscles needed to recover from the first time back, but I've gone back to having proper portions of food when eating and not snacking for no reason. It worked so well that without even moving a muscle (sort of) in almost a week I've dropped to 101kg.

Feels amazing and I already look and feel better. Found my run at the gym today a lot easier to do with less fat on me. I can't believe I let myself pack on 10kgs.

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Originally posted by Fledz I went back to the gym last week for the first time in like 3-4 months. I knew I was a bit over my ideal weight of 95kg so figured I'd have to lose about 5kg. I go to weigh myself and I weigh almost 105kg Fuck, that motivated me. Obviously I took a few days off gym as my muscles needed to recover from the first time back, but I've gone back to having proper portions of food when eating and not snacking for no reason. It worked so well that without even moving a muscle (sort of) in almost a week I've dropped to 101kg. Feels amazing and I already look and feel better. Found my run at the gym today a lot easier to do with less fat on me. I can't believe I let myself pack on 10kgs.

Good stuff Fledz yeah its hard to get back into once you stay out of it for a while. I have been at it for 10 or so years now bodybuilding, and soon as I have a month or two away from it as i have recently traveling overseas man i feel like giving it up completely. we such lazy creatures i think!

keep at it though.

I've been going to the gym non-stop sometimes twice a day. Today is no exception, I have an early plane to catch, but I'll be able to fit in about 3 miles of running and some weight lifting. I'm hooked.

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Originally posted by winston I've been going to the gym non-stop sometimes twice a day. Today is no exception, I have an early plane to catch, but I'll be able to fit in about 3 miles of running and some weight lifting. I'm hooked.

Just make sure you don't end up over-training. Time spent resting is as important as time spent in the gym.

After several weeks of steady strength gains almost every time I trained, it's starting to slow down now. I'm still very pleased with my rate of progress after a few changes to my routine.

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Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine Welcome, brother. What I'm doing right now is running my regular routine in my shoes on every 2nd day and gradually increasing barefoot mileage every other day. Once I get used to it I'll just drop the shoes completely and probably get some of these for tougher terrain;

These are some of the worst footwear ever designed. Honestly, don't even bother.

For running this past week I did basically nothing but sprint sets, after warming up of course. I also did a lot of box jumps and other plyometric type leg movements. All barefoot. I'm resting this weekend and I feel great. My legs feel like they're getting quite powerful in spite of not lifting any weights with them.

I am trying to work on pulling exercises for my arms (pulldowns, rowing motions, etc.). I need to find a proper pullup bar.

Have you tried integrating tempo-change intervals into your workouts (ie, Fartlek runs)?

It's a very effective amalgam between mileage runs and high intensity intervals:

http://www.brianmac.co.uk/fartlek.htm

It's especially useful in developing your ability to change gears in a race, or in any instance in which a short or more sustained surge is necessary in your training.

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Originally posted by bas These are some of the worst footwear ever designed. Honestly, don't even bother.

Have you tried them?

The science behind them is perfectly sound, and there are ultramarathon runners who swear by them. I trust them more than running shoe corp advertising gimmicks.

Running shoes are designed for running. You can't expect them all to just be corporate fat cats who only care about profits.
They provide stability and padding when hitting a surface, on top of the natural resistances your body has.

All those are doing is preventing you from tearing up your feet, but they aren't providing any support what so ever.

There isn't any credible research out there to support the idea that running shoes do anything to prevent injuries.

It's common sense though that padding helps to alleviate pain and injuries. I've played many sports and they would absolutely suck without proper footwear.

It's up to you at the end of the day man. If you're happy with them, go for it

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Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine There isn't any credible research out there to support the idea that running shoes do anything to prevent injuries.

Perhaps, but I think it's undeniably clear to anyone who, for example, is a heavy pronator that wearing the footwear properly equipped to compensate for this added stress has saved them plenty of discomfort they would otherwise be enduring with a shoe that wasn't designed to accommodate such a need.

I'm a horrible supinator, and up until the middle of my running career, I was just picking up running shoes that were mainly designed for pronators (which seems to be the bulk of running shoes I've come across). I can tell you that I ran far more comfortably in the right kind of shoe.

Whether or not this necessarily prevented the onset of any injuries may be another discussion

Remember that your body would also be used to shoes by now, since you've been wearing them since an early age. You need to factor that in too.

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