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I personally would love to see Kobe on the Raptors.
But to give up what Andrew had suggested (as a possibility), would not be in Toronto's best interest.
How about Calderon, Peterson, Dixon and their 1st Round Pick in '08
That would be a good deal (for both teams imo) - especially since the Lakers are in need of a point guard.
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| Originally posted by Jeff Button I personally would love to see Kobe on the Raptors. But to give up what Andrew had suggested (as a possibility), would not be in Toronto's best interest. How about Calderon, Peterson, Dixon and their 1st Round Pick in '08 That would be a good deal (for both teams imo) - especially since the Lakers are in need of a point guard. |
Kobe would never want to play in Toronto. He's going to a big market team.
Re: The Official 2006/2007 Toronto Raptors & NBA Thread
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| Originally posted @ Well, the Raps began training camp yesturday with a completely revamped roster. There hasn't been this much excitement in Raptorland in years so let's see how this season turns out..... Post all Raptor and NBA related discussion here.... Team Roster NO. PLAYER POS. HT. WT. BORN COLLEGE 7 Andrea Bargnani F 6-10 225 Oct. 26, 1985 4 Chris Bosh FC 6-10 230 Mar. 24, 1984 Georgia Tech 8 Jose Calderon PG 6-3 210 Sep. 28, 1981 11 T.J. Ford PG 6-0 165 Mar. 24, 1983 Texas 15 Jorge Garbajosa F 6-9 245 null 14 Joey Graham GF 6-7 225 Jun. 11, 1982 Oklahoma State 43 Kris Humphries F 6-9 235 Feb. 5, 1985 Minnesota 20 Fred Jones SG 6-2 220 Mar. 11, 1979 Oregon 2 Darrick Martin PG 5-11 170 Mar. 6, 1971 UCLA 12 Rasho Nesterovic C 7-0 270 May 30, 1976 18 Anthony Parker SG 6-6 215 Jun. 19, 1975 Bradley 24 Morris Peterson GF 6-7 220 Aug. 26, 1977 Michigan State 10 Uros Slokar F 6-10 238 May 14, 1983 9 Pape Sow FC 6-10 250 Nov. 22, 1981 Cal State Fullerton 1 P.J. Tucker F 6-5 225 May 5, 1985 Texas http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/printSchedule?team=tor&season=2007 |
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| Originally posted by kotsy http://www.thestar.com/article/219252 |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH Kobe would never want to play in Toronto. He's going to a big market team. |
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| Originally posted by SuperJimbo Come again? Toronto is a small market team? Where do you think Toronto ranks in terms of media market size in North America? |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH not small market but there's bigger, more enticing cities out there. i'd be surprised if toronto was in the top 5. |
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| Originally posted by slingshot 1. New York 2. L.A 3. Chicago 4. Toronto |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH i'd be surprised if toronto was in the top 5. |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH Where the hell are cities like Detroit, SA, Miami, Philly or Boston? edit: when i think about though, Toronto really represents all of Canada so it does make sense. |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH Where the hell are cities like Detroit, SA, Miami, Philly or Boston? edit: when i think about though, Toronto really represents all of Canada so it does make sense. |
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| Originally posted by Jeff Button How about Calderon, Peterson, Dixon and their 1st Round Pick in '08 |
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| Originally posted by jon jon lol you're 0/2 with me today, first you hate on my sopranos and now my raps... who's next? my girlfriend? hahah |
LOL did you guys hear about Vince?
Link
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| Carter, whose current contract calls for him to make just over $16 million next season, is believed to be asking for a three-year deal worth as much as $20million a year. Last week, Nets president Rod Thorn said there is a "difference in what we perceive to be fair and what he perceives to be fair," |
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| Originally posted by SuperJimbo Whatever man, Kobe has three rings. And don't tell me his championships were all about Shaq. Shaq, like all great players who win championships, needed a sidekick/superstar like Kobe or Wade to get it done. To win a championship you generally need a minimum of 2, if not 3, great players. You also need a dominant/unstoppable scorer in crunch time, which I don't think Bosh will ever be. Perhaps Bargnani will develop into one, but who knows? Anyway, check out the champs since 1990: 2005-06 - Miami: Wade, Shaq 2004-05 - San Antonio: Duncan 2003-04 - Detroit: (No real superstar, but rather an amazing team) 2002-03 - San Antonio: Duncan, Robinson 2001-02 - Los Angeles: Shaq, Kobe 2000-01 - Los Angeles: Shaq, Kobe 1999-20 - Los Angeles: Shaq, Kobe 1998-99 - San Antonio: Duncan, Robinson 1997-98 - Chicago: Jordan, Pippen, Rodman 1996-97 - Chicago: Jordan, Pippen, Rodman 1995-96 - Chicago: Jordan, Pippen, Rodman 1994-95 - Houston: Olajuwon, Drexler 1993-94 - Houston: Olajuwon 1992-93 - Chicago: Jordan, Pippen 1991-92 - Chicago: Jordan, Pippen 1990-91 - Chicago: Jordan, Pippen 1989-1990 - Detroit: Thomas, Dumars, Rodman 1988-1989 - Detroit: Thomas, Dumars, Rodman (Note: As a side bar, it is interesting how many times great teams repeat.) Anyway, Kobe plus Bosh and solid supporting cast would be enough to win a championship, IMO. If Kobe would agree to it (obviously a big if), I think Colangelo would do it. And if he did, I seriously doubt you would boycott the team, especially when they started winning. Nice try.  |
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| Originally posted by MarkT ...there's a reason those guys aren't seeing their teams succeed until they've amended their approach or added other legit players (Washington and Antawn and Butler, Denver has Carmelo, Camby, Nene). ... |
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| Originally posted by MarkT re-read my post...you basically agreed with me that Kobe can't do it alone. my point, which wasn't clear, is that Washington has multiple legit players, but injuries killed them in the playoffs, and Denver has progressed with the Iverson deal, but that team needs time to gel. While the Lakers have done jack shit, although suffered many injuries (Mihm, Odom, etc.), and then Kobe just takes over, which only goes so far...so either Kobe (and Phil!) *forces* other players to get involved and lets them fuck up a lot until they find a groove in the offense or the Lakers will continue to lose, unless they add another legit player or two. I didn't say that Kobe can't help bring a championship here, I said that *I* don't like watching him play and that *I* prefer to watch teams with a balanced attack vs. ONE player being the perpetual #1 scoring option. keep in mind that most of those championship teams also had other talented starters too and capable benches...it wasn't just about 2-3 stars or a dominant clutch player. |
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| Originally posted by SuperJimbo P.S. How incredible was LeBron last night!?!!? So glad I was home to watch it... |
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| Originally posted by Jeff Button Who the fuck on San Antonio will be able to control this guy? |
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| Originally posted by SuperJimbo Bowen. He controls everyone, partly because of his length and quickness, but also cause he crowds guys every second they are on the floor and fucks with their heads. He is an unbelievable defender. Best in the business, IMO. I have no reason to believe that anyone can beat SA right now. Who on Cleveland can stop Duncan, Parker or Ginobli (aka gumby)? SA is next level. |
being a pistons hater i've never yelled out BITCH! so many times last night. all clutch points. the most difficult was probably when lebron went to his left (weak side) and shot a fade-away 3pointer.. with a minute left in OT1 with the Cavs down by 3... CLUTCH!
and to the pistons... BITCHES!
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| Originally posted by EvilTree But even for Bowen, Lebron will be a handful. |
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| Originally posted by SuperJimbo Bowen. He controls everyone, partly because of his length and quickness, but also cause he crowds guys every second they are on the floor and fucks with their heads. He is an unbelievable defender. Best in the business, IMO. I have no reason to believe that anyone can beat SA right now. Who on Cleveland can stop Duncan, Parker or Ginobli (aka gumby)? SA is next level. |
I bet Kobe, Iverson, Arenas, etc. would all take a pay cut to play on a team like SA or Detroit 
Am I the only one who's afraid the Raptors are fucked for the next decade? Should definitely be interesting to see what happens now, now that Lebron has tasted Championship basketball.
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| Grange: Hill looks at Raptors, likes what he sees MICHAEL GRANGE From Thursday's Globe and Mail CLEVELAND � Watching the National Basketball Association final lurch to its inevitable result, two conclusions are clear � one with important ramifications for the Toronto Raptors and possibly even former NBA all-star Grant Hill. The first is that the San Antonio Spurs are an excellent team, worthy of the dynasty talk that will come with their fourth title in nine years, a feat awaiting only the formality of their finishing off the overmatched Cleveland Cavaliers in the fourth game of the final tonight or (at the outside) the fifth game on Sunday. The second is that the Eastern Conference is so wide open, the Raptors should be thinking of themselves as legitimate candidates to be here a season from now. Doubtless general manager Bryan Colangelo and his crew think so, but even more significant, players who might help them get there are taking notice as well. Hill, for example, has been covering the final as a television analyst for ABC. The Orlando Magic wing player will be an unrestricted free agent on July 1 and, after losing some of the prime years of his career to injury, is looking for an opportunity that will maximize his chances of earning an NBA title � or at least the chance to compete for one. An uninspiring performance by the Cavaliers and the lack of a surefire next-best candidate in the East has suddenly put the Raptors into that mix. "They're on the radar. Bryan's done a great job there," Hill said before the third game on Tuesday, adding that he would only begin focusing on his playing future after talking more with the Magic after the final is over. He also noted that his wife, recording artist Tamia Hill, is Canadian and said that "at this point in my career, a winning situation is the primary thing." A source close to the former Duke University star also said Hill has mentioned the Raptors as a possibility among a select number of franchises, with the Phoenix Suns, San Antonio Spurs and Detroit Pistons under consideration. Certainly, the Raptors' playing style would seem to be a good fit for Hill, and there's no doubt that one of the NBA's most respected citizens would enjoy the team's uniformly drama-free locker room. While Colangelo declined to comment on Hill, given he's not yet a free agent, it's thought he's seeking a short-term contract to maintain his flexibility. There are other options to shore up the Raptors' need for more production from their small forward spot, though since Toronto can spend only the mid-level exception, the field is somewhat limited. The most desirable names � Rashard Lewis of the Seattle SuperSonics and Gerald Wallace of the Charlotte Bobcats � are both too expensive. Not as talented is Luke Walton of the Los Angeles Lakers, but he is a reliable three-point threat and top-grade facilitator. Getting him to leave Southern California could be an obstacle, however, according to those close to him. The Cleveland Cavaliers' Sasha Pavlovic is intriguing, if only because he's 23 years old, will have NBA final experience and shows flashes of being a serious offensive threat � although that's often off-set by his hubris with the ball. He's a restricted free agent, and given Cleveland is likely to be a tax team next season if they re-sign Anderson Varejao, Pavlovic might be available with a carefully constructed, front-end-loaded offer. Other candidates include James Posey of the Miami Heat and Mickael Pietrus of the Golden State Warriors, both long-armed defenders with some offensive skill, with Posey's experience balanced against Pietrus's promise. Trades are a possibility as well, with the only problem being that the Raptors' most desirable commodity is Jose Calderon, the emerging Spanish point guard. The Atlanta Hawks, who came close to signing Calderon out of Spain before the Raptors did, desperately needs point-guard help and carries a wealth of wing players that could fit in Toronto, but Colangelo has stressed that continuity and depth are features he wants to establish on his roster, which suggests any move that would involve a player as prized as Calderon would have to net a proven asset in return and likely a draft pick, too. One rumoured deal involving Calderon and Joey Graham for Josh Childress, Solomon Jones and the 11th pick in the draft, as floated the other day for example, wouldn't cut it. Whatever the case, the Raptors can only be encouraged by the way things have developed since they were eliminated by the New Jersey Nets in the first round. Clubs thought to have championship mettle � Miami and Detroit, for example � have been exposed as vulnerable. Fast-rising rivals such as the Chicago Bulls and Cleveland are missing key pieces. The Raptors are, too. But more than ever, it's evident that the right move or two and the requisite amount of luck could land them in the NBA final. And, once there, it's hard to imagine their doing any worse than the Cavaliers. |
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