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Originally posted by AngusG That's all well and good, and i'm keeping a completely unbiased opinion when I say this, but wouldn't most cds that are played out come from a 320kbps download??

If it started out as an mp3 then it was never a cd to begin with. My comparison is between factory pressed cd-sinlges and vinyl, not mp3 burned to cd-r's vs vinyl.

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Originally posted by ivanbee vinyl will never die and it will always be the true way to dj no matter what you think

was that in the bible ?

cuz it seems u have been enlightened by the divine inpiration and you have seen the future and hold the great truth about DJing.

WOW! This thread is still going...
Each has there qualities although vinyl is my favourite execpt for the times when you get those truck load of problems you get from vinyl such as styluses wearing out and records becoming scratched or dirty.

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Originally posted by ti_gui909 was that in the bible ? cuz it seems u have been enlightened by the divine inpiration and you have seen the future and hold the great truth about DJing.

the old(skool) testament

A DJ without vinyl is not worthy of being called a DJ.

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Originally posted by *****ra86 A DJ without vinyl is not worthy of being called a DJ.

pfffft....

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Originally posted by *****ra86 A DJ without vinyl is not worthy of being called a DJ.

What a powerfull argument.

Are you a debate champion?

The only reason I haven't converted (tho I would probably use both) is the cost of what amounts to a new setup. The wait has now seen me want to skip CDJ's and get DVJ's. I like the idea of being able to mess around with video too.
i don't agree that using CD's is not DJing, even tho I like vinyl more. It's just not the same is all.
Each to their own. Besides how many pro's now use vinyl only?
CD's are far more accesable and cheaper once you have the set up, plus for anyone who flies here and there, they are less costly to transport, ie putem in ya backpack and not check in and pay $$$ due to weight. That is why so many are converting.

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Originally posted by *****ra86 A DJ without vinyl is not worthy of being called a DJ.

wrong. there is more to being a dj than the format you use to mix...personally, i use vinyl because i just think its cooler. but i have nothing against an mp3dj. i think a dj should use any technology that's available to them for the best mixxx

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Originally posted by ti_gui909 was that in the bible ? cuz it seems u have been enlightened by the divine inpiration and you have seen the future and hold the great truth about DJing.

lol. i just said that cus i knew someone would get pissed. sorry dood, i dont mean that. much love to the digital revolution

technologic.

i prefer vinyl... why?? nothing beats waking up on a sunday and going crate digging... and the feeling you get when you find that track u've been searching for for god knows how long (was Humate - 3.1 for me yesterday;D)... or the feeling of coming home from work and seeing the minefield of records all thoughout the place...

when DJing, I prefer using cd's more... i like the feel and the way they hold the pitch 110% perfect... don't own a pair at home though...

i pretty much buy the track i want on vinyl if i can get it.... if not... cd...

It doesnt matter what you use , just as long as you make the crowd go crazy.

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Originally posted by *****ra86 A DJ without vinyl is not worthy of being called a DJ.

Here are some quotes from some random Carl Cox interview I found here: http://www.trustthedj.com/CarlCox/n...id=4587&djid=17

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Carl Cox: I’ve gone over to CDs, now. I’m using three Pioneer CDJ-1000s, or the Pioneer DVJ-X1, it doesn’t matter which. I find myself more challenged now using CD players, actually. For many years, I was using only turntables, for like 30 years of my life! There’s a lot more you can do with CD players, and using them challenges me to do better as a DJ and to push elements of DJing more than I could ever do with turntables. What people get to hear is something unique, and it shouldn’t matter whether I play it on vinyl or CDs. In fact, I’m not using any vinyl anymore; that chapter is closed, for me. ... for me to go back and use vinyl is like driving an old car. If you compare the old car to the new car – with heated seats, satellite TV, GPS – there’s no going back. Besides, the way I play with CD players is the same as how I played with turntables. The only think you don’t see is me putting needles on records, but the triggering, sampling, scratching and all that stuff…I’m still doing that. I’m using CD players as turntables. I’m using them for extended function. ... It’s about what comes out of the speakers. I’m here for the future. I don’t want to be stuck in some timewarp. I want to show people what can be done with new technology. On this tour, I’m only using CD players, and it’s added more kudos to what I do. Every gig has been outstanding, and I still rock what I do!

I am not going to go over the same points that have already been argued 3.7x10^5 times prior, because I don't think it could be said better than Carl has said it right up there.

And if you don't trust Carl Cox, why not ask James Zabiela, Eric Morillo, or John Fleming? These are just a few DJs that I can think of right off the top of my head that have firmly established themselves as capable with vinyl, and now use 100% CD by choice. And I can think of many more who I know mostly use CDs, but I can't say for sure use them entirely--it's not even worth it for me to list them because there are too many, and I don't have the time or inclination. Why not pull up DJ Mag's silly top100 DJ popularity contest, and take a look at that list. I'll bet that you'd be hard pressed to find many DJs in there who do not use a lot of CDs these days.

Is there anyone who honestly believes that CD's are a bad thing? Is there anyone who can truly say with no amount of insincerity that you aren't really being a DJ unless you use 12" wax discs to play other people's music instead of 6" plastic ones?

This thread is way too long, this whole argument needs to be buried. CDs are established and here to stay. They have been readily accepted by most of the best and biggest (do note that biggest != best) DJs in the world. No one, save for a few ignorant folks, will champion CD as the end all, better-in-every-possible-way medium to DJ. It has it's advantages and disadvantages just like vinyl and every other medium. But if the pro's didn't vastly outweigh the cons, then we wouldn't all be dropping $900-1200 on CDJ-1000s and their equivalents.

If you want to be a vinyl purist, that's fine. Like Mr. Coxtopus said, it doesn't really matter what medium the music is coming from--just that it's good music. But please, for all you die hard vinyl junkies out there: stop being so damn evangelical about your wax. No one is out to get you and your personal preference. No one is trying to break down your door and burn your records like it was Fahrenheight 411. My two Techs will always have a home alongside my two CDJ-1000s, and my vinyl records will always get along with my CDs.

God damnit, I can't believe I wrote this much. Can we please let this thread die?

Actually, if you're an evangelical vinyl purist, go ahead and post your arguments about how REAL DJs only use vinyl--I won't mind. I need some cheering up, so be kind and give me a laugh.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Actually, if you're an evangelical vinyl purist, go ahead and post your arguments about how REAL DJs only use vinyl--I won't mind. I need some cheering up, so be kind and give me a laugh.

qft... it's been one of those mornings...

oh... and on the John 00 fleming front, last i heard (sometime ago now) he was considering using Ableton to play all his DJ sets from...

nrjizer for president!

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Originally posted by AngusG qft... it's been one of those mornings... oh... and on the John 00 fleming front, last i heard (sometime ago now) he was considering using Ableton to play all his DJ sets from...

Richie Hawtin will be doing some of the music for the Olympics opening ceremonies. He's pretty far beyond the vinyl & turntables that some people are so fanatic about.

I saw some videos about him and his methods recently, he said he took advantage of the power of computers to assist in beatmatching, and that allowed him to deal better with more creative aspects of the mix. This is something that users of Traktor and Ableton have been doing and talking about for a while.

If you are switching tp digital you might as well do it right like Chris liebing (the best dj in the world) and Speedy j (the best producer in the world).
They are not backcuing cd decks like geeks in the sakes of Pioneers product placement, they are touring the world with 4 powerbooks, 3 allen & heath mixers, a 303 ,a 303 clone,Ableton live,traktor dj studio,1 evolution midi controller, 1 bitstream 3x midi controller as well as various other stuff you can hopefully identify for me.
Pics?

http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9188&i=photos/all051021blend/19.jpg

http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9188&i=photos/all051021blend/7.jpg

http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9188&i=photos/all051021blend/6.jpg

http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9156&i=photos/syd05101mainl/dsc0097.jpg

http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9188&i=photos/all051021blend/7.jpg

Holy shit!

um...........................
...........................uha

Those small boxes are the faderfox controllers for ableton live. What is that thing between the two allen and heaths in the first picture? Thought it was an Elektron Monomachine at first, but its not??

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Originally posted by Axolotyl Those small boxes are the faderfox controllers for ableton live. What is that thing between the two allen and heaths in the first picture? Thought it was an Elektron Monomachine at first, but its not??

thats bitstream 3x
I want to buy it, but it is nowhere to be found.

to eat my own words on not seeing a single international play a record in over a year, i saw armin van buuren last weekend... using a combination of the two

I like vinyl because it sounds the best for scratching and backspins i think the difference in sound could be attributed to the fact that turntables pick up vibration from peoples hand and so it sounds a lot different then if there is no hand movement

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Originally posted by spdandpwr I like vinyl because it sounds the best for scratching and backspins i think the difference in sound could be attributed to the fact that turntables pick up vibration from peoples hand and so it sounds a lot different then if there is no hand movement

Err no.

Cheers
Nem

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