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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY BTW Low impact cardio does not burn up glycogen. That is what the weight training does. HIIT does.

Everything burns up glycogen. Energy doesn't just come from nowhere.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY I never said do a marathon cardio session, and I would never do cardio if I worked my entire body. I do a 4 day split and ride a bike or elliptical afterwards, and I don't do cardio after legs day. I don't do heavy cardio and never will, as there is no need.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY If you are weight training on said day, u should do 5-10 mins of cardio as a warm up, then lift, then a regular cardio session.

I I I I... We're not talking about you. You never told him the conditions of your advice, which would be incorrect under most circumstances (eg. the typical moderate intensity cardio session that most people would consider to be "regular"). If he listened to your advice, he would have ended up doing squats and jumping on an exercise bike 5 minutes later.

More to the point, why do light (pointless) cardio after weights (in a state of recovery), when you could do it at another time and actually get some benefit out of it?

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY cardio increases blood flow to your worked muscles

...At the expense of getting food into you. I don't see how this is less important than some trivial increase in blood flow. This "light cardio" you speak of is unlikely to raise your heart rate enough to make a big difference. It's not like your veins close up just because you haven't done cardio.

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Originally posted by echosystm Everything burns up glycogen. Energy doesn't just come from nowhere. I I I I... We're not talking about you. You never told him the conditions of your advice, which would be incorrect under most circumstances (eg. the typical moderate intensity cardio session). If he listened to your advice, he would have ended up doing squats and jumping on an exercise bike 5 minutes later. More to the point, why do light (pointless) cardio after weights (in a state of recovery), when you could do it at another time and actually get some benefit out of it? ...At the expense of getting food into you. I don't see how this is less important than some trivial increase in blood flow. This "light cardio" you speak of is unlikely to raise your heart rate enough to make a big difference. It's not like your veins close up just because you haven't done cardio.

Well don't come in here saying I give terrible advice u tool. He's not training to be the next Jay Cutler either...u.u.u. I'd love to see u do squats after a nice cardio session, lmao. Are u a juicer? an hr is fine after an intense workout of not eating. After that then it could be detrimental. I agree with doing cardio by itself or hours before or after, but there is benefit to doing 15-30 mins of low sustained cardio after a workout. Doing it before results in an awful weight training session. Thought this would be obvious.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Doing it before results in an awful weight training session. Thought this would be obvious.

At no point did I say he should do it immediately beforehand...

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Originally posted by echosystm You should avoid doing cardio and weights on the same day, or at least do cardio in the morning and weights in the afternoon. Both cardio and weights deplete glycogen too much and leave you with no buffer for doing further activity.

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Originally posted by echosystm Going to failure isn't always the best approach, it's just the most satisfying

I'm not trying for failure, I'm trying to avoid it. Which means I put off switching up the weights on the bench press unless I'm totally sure I won't fail and strangle myself. With any other exercise I can switch up the weights to really push myself, and if I fail then I just drop the weights and nobody gets hurt.

I start P90X Tomorrow! Well, today according to the time. I've gained around 20lbs since i got out of the corps. I look at food and gain weight so it's time BRING IT! Lol.

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Originally posted by Chris Crossland I start P90X Tomorrow! Well, today according to the time. I've gained around 20lbs since i got out of the corps. I look at food and gain weight so it's time BRING IT! Lol.

fatty!

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Originally posted by Chris Crossland I start P90X Tomorrow! Well, today according to the time. I've gained around 20lbs since i got out of the corps. I look at food and gain weight so it's time BRING IT! Lol.

Lets trade. I can't gain weight for the life of me

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Originally posted by tubularbills fatty!

Yeah, yeah but not in 3 months!!!

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Originally posted by Saint John Lets trade. I can't gain weight for the life of me

Lucky, if I could I would!

shittiest workout everrrrrrrr today. the only thing i managed to do relatively well was cardio for 10min and abs everything else was all types of fail. mehhhhhhh

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Originally posted by tubularbills lol i'm so skinny...but it's getting better!

You got something going with biceps so whatever exercises you engaged thus far, stick to them. 2/3 of a arm are triceps, try focusing on that too.

Keeping the workouts light at the moment because I'm a bit ill and my energy levels aren't very high. I had failure on the bench press a couple of days back, and have the bruises from it now, so I'm taking it nice and easy.

If you get more sick like a bad flu or similar, best thing to do is no exercise at all for a few days and eat a bit more than usual. I know it seems counter productive but when your body is recovering it's often better to do the opposite of what you normally would and just relax.
Get well soon

Yay, gained 3 kilos of muscle in the last 20 days or so. Thank you, protein powder: You taste delicious, I'm getting ripped, and I can now kill people when I rip one!

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Originally posted by Fledz If you get more sick like a bad flu or similar, best thing to do is no exercise at all for a few days and eat a bit more than usual. I know it seems counter productive but when your body is recovering it's often better to do the opposite of what you normally would and just relax. Get well soon

If I were genuinely ill I wouldn't be lifting weights, don't worry. It's just a bit of a cold that's more annoying than anything.

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Originally posted by Lira Yay, gained 3 kilos of muscle in the last 20 days or so. Thank you, protein powder: You taste delicious, I'm getting ripped, and I can now kill people when I rip one!

I'm sorry Lira, but there's no way in hell you gained 3kg of muscle in that time.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm sorry Lira, but there's no way in hell you gained 3kg of muscle in that time.

It's more likely to be 3kgs of poo he hasn't been able to get rid of after eating all that protein.

It's just water Lira.

Feel better soon, Jack.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm sorry Lira, but there's no way in hell you gained 3kg of muscle in that time.

Well, tell that to the metric tape

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Originally posted by Lira Well, tell that to the metric tape

Lews is right. If the protein you're taking contains creatine your muscles will be larger only through water retention.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Lews is right. If the protein you're taking contains creatine your muscles will be larger only through water retention.

Well, I don't see any creatine among the ingredients. Is there a synonymous word on the list or something?

Besides, I've been having a balanced diet, recommended by a professional I see every month, and I spent a very good amount of time at the gym... it's not like I suddenly took it and got big.

get on her level

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Originally posted by Lira Well, I don't see any creatine among the ingredients. Is there a synonymous word on the list or something? Besides, I've been having a balanced diet, recommended by a professional I see every month, and I spent a very good amount of time at the gym... it's not like I suddenly took it and got big.

Put it this way Lira, when I claimed I'd gained 10lbs (4.5kgs) of muscle in five months, Kinetic Energy told me I was talking bullshit. The only ways you could possibly have made such gains is if:

1. You're 17 years old and have absolutely no muscle on you.
2. You've had this muscle mass before and lost it.

The only guys I've ever heard make a remotely convincing case for big gains were those who advocated radical HIT methods, and it sounds like you aren't training in that way at all.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Put it this way Lira, when I claimed I'd gained 10lbs (4.5kgs) of muscle in five months, Kinetic Energy told me I was talking bullshit. The only ways you could possibly have made such gains is if: 1. You're 17 years old and have absolutely no muscle on you. 2. You've had this muscle mass before and lost it. The only guys I've ever heard make a remotely convincing case for big gains were those who advocated radical HIT methods, and it sounds like you aren't training in that way at all.

Both are kind of true. I lost a lot of muscle mass in November/December because of grad school (pulled too many all-nighters), two kilos to be precise, and I re-gained them now, and I also focused on losing weight during the last months of 2009. I had never been that light!

The only difference is that I'm not 17, as I'll turn 27 in 12 hours

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Originally posted by Lira Both are kind of true. I lost a lot of muscle mass in November/December because of grad school (pulled too many all-nighters), two kilos to be precise, and I re-gained them now, and I also focused on losing weight during the last months of 2009. I had never been that light!

It's commonly reported that muscle mass is easy to regain than gain in the first place. So if you used to have this mass and lost it, it's possible you have gained it back more quicker than usual.

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The only difference is that I'm not 17, as I'll turn 27 in 12 hours

I said 17 because when you're a teenager you're still growing naturally with all the requisite hormones, and you don't need to force the issue as much. Additionally, they always say the first pound of muscle is the easiest to gain, so a skinny teenager can put on muscle quite easily.

I'm on day four of P90X, I woke up this morning and weighed myself and have lost 4 lbs already! I love this shit, I feel good, sore but good.

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