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Originally posted by pozz Anselm's ontological proof: 1) God is a being, greater than which you cannot conceive of. 2) It is greater to exist in the mind and in reality than in the mind alone. 3) Therefore, God exists. the most interesting proof is in Descartes, in his second Meditation. God exists because he guarantees the function of reason and logic. 2+3 can only equal 5 if God exists. (explanation of anselm's proof: if you can conceive of a being greater than God, then it isn't Him. if you can't conceive of a greater being, then God exists. if you accept propositino '1' and accept proposition '2', then '3' is necessary. whatever criticisms you think of don't pertain to the problem, you would have to prove the propositions incorrect first. it's a kind of philosophical trick.)

Thats like the worst logic ever. "If you cant think of anything more powerful than god than he exists" SERIOUSLY?!

I can. Me. I am. There done.

Like any morning of my junior year I stumble in the classroom late but this day I see faces. I feel an air like a funeral, like a wake, as I sit down. My teacher speaking, somewhat somberly, but still confident and calm. Part eulogy, her speech, and part poem, part celebration song. Her warmth and smile, she passes photocopies out to us of entries from a journal kept so long ago. She starts to read and suddenly it�s 1980.

March 5 - The cancer is furious but our son is resilient, we have all the faith we�ll get through this no matter what the end. Treatments are violent but he keeps on smiling. It�s amazing finding joy in the little things.

April 12 - Andrew�s appetites improved and we thank God everyday. But still it�s hard sometimes to see him in that scarecrow frame.

July 9 - There�s a suffering when I look in his eyes. He�s been through so much. We've all been through so much but what incredible resolve our little boy shows, only 7, standing face to face with death. He said it�s easy to find people who have suffered worse than him. �Like Jesus, suffered worse than anyone,� he told me last night, �when God abandoned him.�

September 20 - We've been playing in the yard lately and spirits are high although his blood counts aren�t.

October 14 - He feels tired all the time.

November 30 - At the hospital again. It feels like home when we�re here.

December 8 - He�s getting worse.

January 19 - We buried our son today, our youngest child, and while his death was ugly we must not let it scare us from God. Abundant grace has restored him. A brand new body and set him free from the torture, finally rid of the cancer. Before the moment he left he briefly rested from death, suddenly opened his eyes, said, �I SEE EVERYTHING. I SEE EVERYTHING.�

And I will never forget it, the peace and the comfort you displayed through a pain that I can only imagine. The loss of a child to the torture of cancer. Help me. Because I can only imagine how you recovered, kept your faith and held the brightness of life inside the smile of a child you had to bury. And I will never forget him or your steadfast faith. No, I will never forget you. Now six or seven years later, I�m devoid of all faith. I am empty of comfort and I am weary of waiting.

Though I�ve felt nowhere what you have, I see nothing at all. Though I�ve felt nowhere what he did, my eyes are closed.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Oh, God. That's hard to even watch, all the way through.

"Luckily" O'Reilly is not as stupid as he pretends to be.

David Silverman from American atheists recently talked to him and said afterwards that he had a very interesting conversation with Bill O'Reilly, with the cameras turned of. He knew a lot of things and never seemed unintelligent - but when the cameras were turned on and the show began, he was suddenly completely different and began talking about tides as evidence of God, constantly interrupting, shouting and smearing.

I don't know if I should be comforted by the fact that Bill-o probably is not as idiotic as he expresses, or whether I should be scared of the fact that you actually can earn money and get millions of fans by pretending.

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Originally posted by pozz Anselm's ontological proof: 1) God is a being, greater than which you cannot conceive of. 2) It is greater to exist in the mind and in reality than in the mind alone. 3) Therefore, God exists.

Hey, we can bring a multitude of cool stuff into being with this game.

(1) The Ultimate Awesome Toaster is a being, a greater maker of toast than which you cannot conceive of.
(2) It is greater for a maker of toast to exist in the mind and in reality than in the mind alone.
(3) Therefore, the Ultimate Awesome Toaster exists.

The problem with these arguments is that (1) and (2) establish only a weak conditional statement: "If x exists, then x (by definition) cannot exist in the mind alone." But they neglect to actually prove the antecedent ("if" clause) of the conditional. And we must go on sadly without the Ultimate Awesome Toaster.

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Originally posted by Znack I don't know if I should be comforted by the fact that Bill-o probably is not as idiotic as he expresses, or whether I should be scared of the fact that you actually can earn money and get millions of fans by pretending.

I think there is a lot to learn.

http://www.chabad.org/library/artic...an-Agnostic.htm

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Neat fact: Did you know that when the Romans would sentence a person to death for becoming a Jew, the crime was called, "atheism"? Since the Jewish G‑d cannot be seen or described, they considered this person to be without any god at all. Turns out that Judaism is closer to atheism than most people's theism. As Rabbi Sholom Dovber of Lubavitch once put it, "The G‑d the atheist doesn't believe in, I don't believe in either."

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Originally posted by Znack "Luckily" O'Reilly is not as stupid as he pretends to be. David Silverman from American atheists recently talked to him and said afterwards that he had a very interesting conversation with Bill O'Reilly, with the cameras turned of. He knew a lot of things and never seemed unintelligent - but when the cameras were turned on and the show began, he was suddenly completely different and began talking about tides as evidence of God, constantly interrupting, shouting and smearing. I don't know if I should be comforted by the fact that Bill-o probably is not as idiotic as he expresses, or whether I should be scared of the fact that you actually can earn money and get millions of fans by pretending.

Isnt that the case for most fox hosts though? I seem to remember that most of them have done exceptionally well in school, its just that they have to severely dumd down their on air persona to cater to the not that bright fox audience.

Has anyone else read through this entire thread just for the lulz?


Because I haven't.

It's pretty funny, especially delusional replies as Pozz has just exhibited.

1. If I say that I am the best looking person in the world, I am. If you find anyone better looking than me, then your judgement is incorrect and I am still in fact the best looking.
2. Awesome good looking God Toaster

fyi, every argument for god's existence has been refuted here:

www.Ironchariots.org

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Originally posted by Znack "Luckily" O'Reilly is not as stupid as he pretends to be. David Silverman from American atheists recently talked to him and said afterwards that he had a very interesting conversation with Bill O'Reilly, with the cameras turned of. He knew a lot of things and never seemed unintelligent - but when the cameras were turned on and the show began, he was suddenly completely different and began talking about tides as evidence of God, constantly interrupting, shouting and smearing. I don't know if I should be comforted by the fact that Bill-o probably is not as idiotic as he expresses, or whether I should be scared of the fact that you actually can earn money and get millions of fans by pretending.

Yeah. I've noticed that when he's on the Jon Stewart Show, he's actually quite sharp and even a little charming. It's his show where he seems to favor mucking things up, conversationally. I can only imagine that satisfies his hardcore fans because, otherwise, I find it unwatchable.

Who needs proof?

It's right in front of you.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Who needs proof? It's right in front of you.

God is a Samsung LCD? Cool!

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Originally posted by Capitalizt God is a Samsung LCD? Cool!

What kind of sorcery is this?

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