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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Err no. Cheers Nem

you think so? I have used the 800's and the denons, but not the 1000's, and don't think they sound the same when scratching and backspinning

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Originally posted by spdandpwr you think so? I have used the 800's and the denons, but not the 1000's, and don't think they sound the same when scratching and backspinning

Don't worry dude, I know they sound different when scratching. It's just your reasoning that's not quite spot on.
The reason it doesn't sound the same is due to the technical properties of a digital file vs vinyl and not due to the vibrations from your hand as you stated.

But you are correct, they do sound different.

Cheers
Nem

xone 3D

Liebing and Hawtin consulted one this new mixer, with ability to control Ableton. Looks interesting.

Vinyl all the way. apart from the price and amount of music you can carry vinyl beats cds everyday.

KEEP THE TOPIC ALIVE!!! HAHAHA

VINYL WILL NEVER DIE BUT CDS ARE BETTER ROFL!

well am a big vinyl guy but with the availablity of buying WAV files now for cheap i have been getting alot of my favorite tracks on WAV....I am not a big cd user but have been messing with the WAVs(WAV to CD) and can say vinyl DEFINATELY sounds much better.....maybe its because of the media or maybe because of the needle and table its going through.....that i dunno......or maybe the cdj1000 sound like crap


but one thing i will say is that u have to be prepared with both.....you go to a gig and there wacked decks or people dancing sending needles skipping across the records....u can go to the cd players and fix that problem.....

but with costs the way they are i will continue to go with the WAV files (WAV to Cd)unless is an extrodinary track

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Originally posted by djtrinity well am a big vinyl guy but with the availablity of buying WAV files now for cheap i have been getting alot of my favorite tracks on WAV....I am not a big cd user but have been messing with the WAVs(WAV to CD) and can say vinyl DEFINATELY sounds much better.....maybe its because of the media or maybe because of the needle and table its going through.....that i dunno......or maybe the cdj1000 sound like crap but one thing i will say is that u have to be prepared with both.....you go to a gig and there wacked decks or people dancing sending needles skipping across the records....u can go to the cd players and fix that problem..... but with costs the way they are i will continue to go with the WAV files (WAV to Cd)unless is an extrodinary track

Good point. Also, high-quality 320KhZ mp3 files are available straight from the labels that put the tracks on vinyl. In the end, no one in the audience gives 2 shits whether you're on vinyl or cd, as long as they're dancing their asses off. The only ones that really care are the egos of other dj's and the audiophiles.

At the end of the night, if people are dancing and having a good night, the job of the dj has been successful. On a side note, however, I do prefer vinyl much better compared to CD because of the tactile nature of the medium. The CDJ-1000's sure come damn close though.

Cheers...

I am forever vinyl.



no... wait, I'll see.... I have a craving for cdj's ....

vinyls have the better audio quality but in all fairness they can be a pain in the ass if they get scratched thats it no more vinyl but if you scratch cd's all you need to do is burn another copy, the same goes for when your vinyl gets 'lost' at the airport how are you supposed to replace that where as with cd you will always have back up copys

things i hate about vinyl:

1) when you are mixing outside and the wind blows the needle
2) skipping needles or record
3) no "good" master pitch
4) tonearm getting accidently hit
5) skipping caused by unstable platform

things i hate about cds:

1) everything

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Originally posted by seval vinyls have the better audio quality but in all fairness they can be a pain in the ass if they get scratched thats it no more vinyl but if you scratch cd's all you need to do is burn another copy, the same goes for when your vinyl gets 'lost' at the airport how are you supposed to replace that where as with cd you will always have back up copys

vinyl only typically has a better audio quality (when compared to an mp3 encoded at 320kbps) because that's what the majority of club's audio systems are set up for...

I buy records when I can the tracks i want on vinyl... but typically rip them to wave, then cd (when i get time) before playing out...

vinyl will die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and when vinyl will die!! i think a lot of producer will die too!!!

it will be the end of the electronic music!!!

after it will be the end of the world!

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Originally posted by jeremie vinyl will die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and when vinyl will die!! i think a lot of producer will die too!!! it will be the end of the electronic music!!! after it will be the end of the world!

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hi people ..I know this thread is gone far too long bt I js tawt
I would add some vaild points.CD vs Vinyls :-

1.Choice/Preferance - play what u like /or what u comfaortable with
2.Change/Adaptability - In any industry u gotta be able to accept and cater for change,otherwise we would still be using IBM386 with a monochrome monitor.
3.I myself play vinyl ,but I'm slowly moving over to cd's as the cost of cd decks js dnt fit into my budget at the moment.
4.The only thing I dnt really like about digital is the easily availabilty of the media to everyone and I mean everyone.
its like I would spend months hunting down a track on plastic and
then u'd get this one oke who would js use limewire/soulseek and
bum the tune of there.Inevitably artists,producers also suffer from this.



Cheers Ashal

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Originally posted by harriz If you are switching tp digital you might as well do it right like Chris liebing (the best dj in the world) and Speedy j (the best producer in the world). They are not backcuing cd decks like geeks in the sakes of Pioneers product placement, they are touring the world with 4 powerbooks, 3 allen & heath mixers, a 303 ,a 303 clone,Ableton live,traktor dj studio,1 evolution midi controller, 1 bitstream 3x midi controller as well as various other stuff you can hopefully identify for me. Pics? http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9188&i=photos/all051021blend/19.jpg http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9188&i=photos/all051021blend/7.jpg http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9188&i=photos/all051021blend/6.jpg http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9156&i=photos/syd05101mainl/dsc0097.jpg http://www.residentadvisor.net/viewphotos.asp?id=9188&i=photos/all051021blend/7.jpg

Its not what you've got...

...its what you do with it

Past = Vinyl
Future = CD/DVD/HDVD/Blue Ray/...online stream ??
Present = Endless debate on Vinyl or CD
End of the story

Maybe, but people still drive around Model T fords.

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Originally posted by spdandpwr things i hate about vinyl: 1) when you are mixing outside and the wind blows the needle 2) skipping needles or record 3) no "good" master pitch 4) tonearm getting accidently hit 5) skipping caused by unstable platform things i hate about cds: 1) everything

haha

To be honest I've never used vinyl's at a gig, I've been into cd's but now I'm getting into Vinyl's simply because I love the big records and are collectors items to me. They both have their advantages and disadvantages but I think they're both great in different ways.

I like vinyl because i learned on it, but its really expensive... must be purchasing records, needles, slipmats, etc etc..

Things like Stanton Final Scratch and Serrato kinda bridge the gap.

Honestly I think CDs are a better deal cuz tracks = free and if i woulda done it again I would go CD. But theres something about the allure of vinyl. I've heard it explained by one girl as "the sexy ability to manipulate a turntable"

I like vinyl because i learned on it, but its really expensive... must be purchasing records, needles, slipmats, etc etc..

Things like Stanton Final Scratch and Serrato kinda bridge the gap.

Honestly I think CDs are a better deal cuz tracks = free and if i woulda done it again I would go CD. But theres something about the allure of vinyl. I've heard it explained by one girl as "the sexy ability to manipulate a turntable"

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Originally posted by lightside Honestly I think CDs are a better deal cuz tracks = free and if i woulda done it again I would go CD. But theres something about the allure of vinyl. I've heard it explained by one girl as "the sexy ability to manipulate a turntable"

How are you legally getting tracks for free???

I think the sexy bit of vinyl's long gone...

I get odd looks from other DJ's when they still see my record bag...

I think I'm about to stop buying vinyl altogether... I'm still as passionate about music as I ever have been, but the days of spending an entire paycheck on records and then living on cheese on toast and 2 minute noodles are long gone...

word to what the last guy said...I love vinyl and sometimes Ill find a track that I want to be able to play on vinyl even though it is available digitally, but there are so many options now for DLing songs (legally). 3beat is no longer selling vinyl, so their mp3 database is big. Juno.co.uk is better for vinyl in my opinion, but they, too, have a digital selection. Release records is also digital now as well...so there are many options and it is better spending 20 bucks for 10 brand new amazing tracks, instead of only 2.

just my opinion...
I use both! Why "Vinyls vs. CDs" when it can be "Vinyls AND CDs"!!!

the thing i'm gonna miss most about buying records is coming home to an ever growing minefield... the more you start to get it under control, the more you start to add to it and it's a never ending cycle

Random ramblings time.....

TBH I have my cdjs.....I also have a 100Mbps broadband connection, but im still buying more vinyl than ever. Just placed an order for 5 double/triple Lps a couple of mins ago actually.

I find beatport annoying with their selection. Im very eclectic- and hop genres a lot to mix and match. They 99% of the time dont have what im after. yet i can go online or to record stores and have the 12" on my doorstep within 24 hours.
Same with other sites. As much as a bonus 'free' downloadable cd sticker/sleeve moistens my pants, its still boring.
Cost is not so important. I dont and never have based my enjoyment of something on its cost.


The satisfaction of downloading a track vs biying a record is comparable to having a wank vs having sex.....both good and both give satisfaction, but one leaves you feeling kind of empty and perhaps thinking 'is that it?' Thats my personal take on it.

Buying a cd is nice- but downloading/burning one just honestly bores me to shit.I also find i listen to them and they sound....well...a bit lifeless.
Another big thing is I simply cannot be arsed to go through the hassle of transferring stuff from vinyl to cd. Bores me like watching paint evolve and is so time consuming. Time that could be used productively.

I guess its the collector in me showing through- im more than a dj. Truth be told, 99% of the records i buy i never play out- they are bought for my enjoyment and collectability. Thats something digital can never replace.

I just like the physical product, the artwork and the hands on feel.
Plus- in the event of nuclear armageddon, I will still be able to play my vinyl......even on an old wind up gramaphone or similar home made contraption salvaged from the burng ashes of civilization. cd players, pcs and the majority of electrical equipment wont work due to the EMP
I may have radiation poisoning and no hair, but at least I will be able to slip on some LPS for background music. Or dj at the radioactive mutants rave.

Morbid/luddite food for thought

Vinyl are better But CD is the future I used CD now cheaper plus you can legaley buy Trance / Tech Trance tunes off Audiojelly & Beatport

if a had to pick one Vinyl but CD way foward

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