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Originally posted by nefardec it's a vaginoplasty + labiaplasty. i had the trans-racial discussion with someone once before. it's basically BS because race is a very complex and highly divisible genetic phenomenon that's also very dependent on dominant cultural perception (eg in the 1800s america, if you had one black great grandfather you'd be considered 'black', whereas today people are both claiming and rejecting barack obama as black) there are no specific race body organs or hormones, etc. as far as trans-cultural goes, I think also this is more of a moot point in contemporary society because culture is a lot more fluid than gender at this point. But I would definitely consider myself trans cultural in a broad sense, in that count myself as a member of many other cultural groups that aren't what I was raised as (white, straight, italian american, catholic) I think many of us can say that about ourselves. you don't need a vagina to appreciate famous feminist authors anymore than don't need a 'negroplasty' (ugh) to appreciate black musicians. as far as my transgender identity goes, it's quite personal for everyone. it comes down to self image. some transgender people don't need surgeries or hormones to balance their presentation/self image with their subconscious sex. others do - I have felt this way as long as I remember. however, at no point have I ever felt like i have a subconscious race or experienced feelings beyond admiring great people of other races and being curious about the experiences of others different to me. i do know some people in the transgender community though that actually want to transition races.

I'll write that down as "in the distant future."

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Originally posted by Ted Promo Free reading. But I'm not all that smart :/ Books are fun!

You are plenty smart.

NO-HOMO

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Originally posted by Ted Promo Free reading. But I'm not all that smart :/ Books are fun!

Uh huh. Just reading all about String Theory and Black Holes and Cats in Parallel Universes and stuff. Not smart at all.

Books are fun, though

I'll try to get The Elegant Universe next time I get some books

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Originally posted by nefardec i do know some people in the transgender community though that actually want to transition races.

Whatever happened to just wanting super powers?

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Originally posted by Lews Uh huh. Just reading all about String Theory and Black Holes and Cats in Parallel Universes and stuff. Not smart at all. Books are fun, though I'll try to get The Elegant Universe next time I get some books

Pshhh, it's not about cats in parallel universes. It's about how quantum physics can be related into the tangible world we inhabit and how the state of things (alive/dead, here/there) depends upon our perception of their state due to the Uncertainty Principal fostering a reality we cannot possibly fathom due to our classically tuned brains.

Srsly tho, do it. Brian Greene is the shit. I gotta get Fabric of the Cosmos and whatever his other one is too.

I have Fabric of the Cosmos, haven't read it yet.

Yeah, you're really dumb bro.

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Originally posted by Ted Promo Pshhh, it's not about cats in parallel universes. It's about how quantum physics can be related into the tangible world we inhabit and how the state of things (alive/dead, here/there) depends upon our perception of their state due to the Uncertainty Principal fostering a reality we cannot possibly fathom due to our classically tuned brains.

Nevermind, I take back earlier what I said about you being smart. You're a fucking idiot.




Okay so:

The Elegant Universe
Dune 2
Neuromancer
Dance of Dragons

All on my purchase list in the next week or so.

Hidden Reality is pretty nifty although it's necessarily based off of much more conjecture than his previous works leading it to be a bit more of a chore to read toward the end.

Bought this on Amazon today:

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Originally posted by Ted Promo Hidden Reality is pretty nifty although it's necessarily based off of much more conjecture than his previous works leading it to be a bit more of a chore to read toward the end.

How was the Leonard Susskind book? Isn't he just like pure conjecture.

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Originally posted by Lews How was the Leonard Susskind book? Isn't he just like pure conjecture.

His Holographic Theory has the math to back it up. I mean, if you get down to it anything beyond Quantum Mechanics is all conjecture (meaning String Theory/M-Theory) it's just that there's math that backs it up. And the math that was created for these different theories solves intrinsic problems with models that came beforehand. Susskind's Holographic theory is gaining more footing though.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2...rse-resolution/

Also, Black Hole Wars is more about how Hawking was wrong (in that he stated that information once it enters a black hole is lost forever which runs contrary to the first law of Quantum Mechanics). It's about the struggle he faced in surmounting evidence to trump Hawking's assertions of the nature of information loss in black holes. He goes into asides about the emotional underpinnings he had attached to the rift between himself and Hawking.

yadayada and whatshit and foodstuffs. It's good reading.

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Originally posted by Ted Promo His Holographic Theory has the math to back it up. I mean, if you get down to it anything beyond Quantum Mechanics is all conjecture (meaning String Theory/M-Theory) it's just that there's math that backs it up. And the math that was created for these different theories solves intrinsic problems with models that came beforehand. Susskind's Holographic theory is gaining more footing though. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2...rse-resolution/ Also, Black Hole Wars is more about how Hawking was wrong (in that he stated that information once it enters a black hole is lost forever which runs contrary to the first law of Quantum Mechanics). It's about the struggle he faced in surmounting evidence to trump Hawking's assertions of the nature of information loss in black holes. He goes into asides about the emotional underpinnings he had attached to the rift between himself and Hawking. yadayada and whatshit and foodstuffs. It's good reading.

Added it to my list of things to get some day

The Holographic theory just seems insane to me lol. More-so than anything else, except possibly the Multiverse theories. Have to read a book on that soon, too.

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If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet.

- Niels Bohr

Bohr has so many good quotes

Evidently he was a pain in the ass to argue with because of his slow meticulous manners of expressing himself through writing/speeches etc. (guy struggled to explain the uncertainty principle in comprehensible terms so completely that he had a personal assistant jot down his musings & his wife broke down because his obsession ruined their planned vacation, lol), the philosophical kind where eager students are clinging to his every word because one lost train of thought & you're boned.

I got a book called Uncertainty, Einstein, Heisenberg, Bohr, & the Struggle for the Soul of Science and chapter 13 is called Awful Bohr Incantation Terminology.

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Originally posted by woscar Almost done with this. Highly recommended.

why? because he justifies torture by saying that our morals are not yet developed enough to allow us to easily hurt someone without feelings of guilt and remorse and so we should do it at distance through drugs?

dunno about you, but that's flippin' retarded if you ask me.

He's no Nietzsche, my friend. Read him instead.

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Originally posted by Lews Added it to my list of things to get some day The Holographic theory just seems insane to me lol. More-so than anything else, except possibly the Multiverse theories. Have to read a book on that soon, too.

i was obsessed with holographic theories for a while.

i recommend reading david bohm. my favorite book of his that i read was 'wholeness and the implicate order'.

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Originally posted by nefardec i was obsessed with holographic theories for a while. i recommend reading david bohm. my favorite book of his that i read was 'wholeness and the implicate order'.

I'm cheggin' that. Finished Post-American World this morning and snagged the free sample of this. Seems interesting.

Just ordered (to add to my stack )

Neuromancer Neuromancer
William Gibson

Dune Messiah (Dune Chronicles, Book 2)
Frank Herbert

The Elegant Universe: Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions, and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory
Brian Greene

Why Evolution Is True
Jerry A. Coyne

and pre-ordered:

A Dance with Dragons: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book Five
George R.R. Martin


I probably have enough books for a while now lol

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Originally posted by nefardec i was obsessed with holographic theories for a while. i recommend reading david bohm. my favorite book of his that i read was 'wholeness and the implicate order'.

Added to my want-list

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Originally posted by Lews Why Evolution Is True Jerry A. Coyne

I've heard this is really good. Dawkins mentions it in the book I'm reading, too. Let us know how it is.

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Originally posted by pozz why? because he justifies torture by saying that our morals are not yet developed enough to allow us to easily hurt someone without feelings of guilt and remorse and so we should do it at distance through drugs? dunno about you, but that's flippin' retarded if you ask me. He's no Nietzsche, my friend. Read him instead.

Of course he's no Nietzsche. My advice is that you should read Harris instead of what the critics have been saying about him. That's retarded, if you ask me.

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Originally posted by pozz why? because he justifies torture by saying that our morals are not yet developed enough to allow us to easily hurt someone without feelings of guilt and remorse and so we should do it at distance through drugs?

Have you ever read the book!? Where in the book does he say anything remotely similar to this?

I'm no fan of Sam Harris, and I didn't even like the book very much, but if you're going to criticise a work an author has penned, read it.

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Originally posted by pozz He's no Nietzsche, my friend. Read him instead.

Philosophical qualities aside, Harris' style is a lot clearer and well-founded. I'm glad he's no Nietzsche, otherwise this book would be begging for more misunderstandings than the one you've just provided!

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