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Qualia,

Your post from IDJ:

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i keep seeing this same post everywhere, claiming mixed in key is 95% accurate in its key detection. this is simply NOT true. please see a comparison done between the known key detection programs at: http://www.mixingonbeat.com/phpbb/v...p?p=21494#21494 mixed in key was actually the worst. there is a free program which does everything mixed in key does and more, check it out at [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Read the statement on my website, 95% refers to our personal collections. I stand behind this statement and I believe that this assessment is accurate. You are posting unverified results and advertising your own software in the same post. I think you should show more respect for other developers and their time.


Yakov

yakov--

how about posting the names of the songs in your personal collection with mixed in key's results then? keep in mind, this is biased because you can simply pick the songs your program got correctly. the songs i've tested so far WERE NOT SELECTED BY ME. they were chosen by camelot, and unless you're suggesting i conspired with him then please stop the allegations that i'm trying to mislead people here...

honestly man, if your program was as accurate as you said it was, i'd have thrown down some money for it right then and there. however, knowing how difficult key detection was i simply could not believe it. there had been talks about doing a side by side comparison for a while now, and it was a convenient time to take all these programs to the test. it's true that the results have yet to be verified by may others, however, my results are posted in detail for anybody to see. i can even help people find the music, just email me.

i can't help it that my program did the best, and that posting these results makes it seem like advertising for my product. how harmful is my "advertising" anyway when rapid evolution is completely free? my software can only help the dj community. in fact, the more people use it, the more the users benefit as more key/bpm information is shared.

i don't like seeming to be against you because i love to see harmonic mixing expand. i especially don't want the community to become fragmented over opposing viewpoints. i just want to be open and honest, and feel others have a right to know the truth.

it's time you guys stopped making claims right or wrong about yours or anothers software. I'm sure Nem didn't start this thread in order to promote ANY products, good or bad, but rather the concept involved for those new to Harmonic mixing.
If you want to continue your attacks on each other, start a new thread. I for one am not interested.

yeah, sorry for taking up so much space with that :-( will stick to the harmonic theory from now on!

anyone know if alena turn it around is em or c#m? or something different?

thanks

unfortunately i don't have that song to check... mixshare's db says C#m... perhaps if it is not that, it's E major? (since it's the relative major of C#m)

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Originally posted by dj_kane anyone know if alena turn it around is em or c#m? or something different? thanks

Will check for you, got that at home somewhere.

Cheers
Nem

cheers nem

A#m (3A) TDR 01 - ? Big Dutch Trancer (If anyone recognises that promo code and knows what the name of this tune send me a PM as I would love to know.)

Yea - I have this...DJ Marcky vs. Leeroy - Magic Sunset

Cheers ;-)

Maybe a few years late though :-P

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Originally posted by DJ Vale A#m (3A) TDR 01 - ? Big Dutch Trancer (If anyone recognises that promo code and knows what the name of this tune send me a PM as I would love to know.) Yea - I have this...DJ Marcky vs. Leeroy - Magic Sunset Cheers ;-) Maybe a few years late though :-P

Errr found that out a few years ago dude... but hey. Thanks all the same.

Gave that a listen a while back and some how it just doesn't sound as large as it did at the time... I guess things have moved on.

Cheers
Nem

when keying a song you are playing a three key chord. do you hold all three keys down at the same time or one key at a time? also is that all it takes to make a key is three notes? thanks for the advice.

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Originally posted by Benjamin_D when keying a song you are playing a three key chord. do you hold all three keys down at the same time or one key at a time? also is that all it takes to make a key is three notes? thanks for the advice.

Initially I would only hold down one key in order to find the root note, after that you can start striking other keys to discover if it's a major or a minor. Unless you are experienced as a musician you will find it hard to distuingwish what is actually going on if you start with more than one note.

3 notes to a key, well it depends on the key to be honest. Some yes and some no.
Also, sounds like you might be confusing Key with Scale. In a scale you will essentially have a group of notes that are all compatible with the root note but not necessarily each other, whilst all the notes that decide the key will be compatible as it is basically a chord.

Cheers
Nem

PS I did get your tell, have a whole heap to respond to but just been to busy lately. My apologiees.

I was asking because i got a chord book and it has right hand keys and left hand keys. So i am confused on if you hold down right and left hand keys at the same time or just one at a time and what not. also if you could please describe the best you can on what you are trying to distinguish between the two sounds being the key board and the song.

i can play one note, the root and it sounds decent and better than the others with a song and then i will play a three note chord with it and it doesn't sound right at all.

thanks for your help again Nem.

If you are dealing with dance music the majority of stuff is in minor keys anyways.
Don't worry so much about 7ths and 9ths etc. You wont need it.

Just simply find the root and then establish if a major or minor key works with it.

A good idea would be for you to compare someo of the tracks identified in this thread and see if you can key them the same and they you would see how they worked.

Don't worry about left handed stuff, you don't need that either. Just be thinking a simple three note chord played with three fingers.

Cheers
Nem

Ok one more silly question when i am playing a three note chord, i hold all three notes down at the same time on, lets say each base line or each bar(every four kicks), or what.

one more thing. when you change the pitch +/- 3 percent you change a half key.

ok now is this 3% of the difference of the records.

meaning one record is +2% playing and you are mixing a record in that is -2% will thay work being that they are still inside of 3% on the decks but they are 4% different between each other.

nem did you get that alena key?

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Originally posted by Benjamin_D Ok one more silly question when i am playing a three note chord, i hold all three notes down at the same time on, lets say each base line or each bar(every four kicks), or what.

after youve found the root note, just hold down the minor & major variations thru the whole song til you decide which sounds best. i play one continuous chord.

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Originally posted by Benjamin_D one more thing. when you change the pitch +/- 3 percent you change a half key. ok now is this 3% of the difference of the records. meaning one record is +2% playing and you are mixing a record in that is -2% will thay work being that they are still inside of 3% on the decks but they are 4% different between each other.

its 3% difference between the records. so no, a -2% and a +2% theoretically wont work.

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Originally posted by dj_kane nem did you get that alena key?

Shit, good that you reminded me. Have put a reminder on my phone for that.
Sorry bro

Will do that tonight.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Benjamin_D one more thing. when you change the pitch +/- 3 percent you change a half key. ok now is this 3% of the difference of the records. meaning one record is +2% playing and you are mixing a record in that is -2% will thay work being that they are still inside of 3% on the decks but they are 4% different between each other.

As PK said, it's not a point on the pitch that's the factor here but the difference between the two records.

It will work however if you are playing a track that goes in 9a and you have another track that's being mixed in that is at least 4 to 5 percent slower if they were 0%, if it's in 2a, 1a or 3a for example. That would work because you have changed the key to match the faster track.

Cheers
Nem

do they all have to be in similar tempo for this to work. ive got some tunes that are 137 bpm and are banging and some at 142 bpm and more chilled out. id usually leave the banging ones to the end and this is where i get confused on this.

first attempt at detecting keys

Hey guys I am slowly trying to determine the keys of all my records. I have found many on this thread and on Mixshare, but I am also trying to get used to key my own vinyl. I use a keyboard and my ears

Here's my first try, I'd love feedback/confirmation cuz I might be totally off:

-Tahiti 80 - Big Day (Booka Shade rmx) Dm/7A
-The Beach feat. Tia - Suntan (Steve Mac Main Mix) G/9B

Keep posting, I've learned so much thanks to this thread!

as i've keyed more and more songs, my method has changed somewhat. while i used to try to play chords or notes in the scale, i now start out by playing single notes until i find the root note (the one that blends in most), which becomes more and more obvious with practice ;-) after that, as others have said, determining major/minor can be as easy as comparing the major/minor triad chords, or sometimes i've found just comparing the major 3rd note vs. the minor 3rd note helps... to first get an idea of what the root note should sound like, try playing along to some songs where the key is known (perhaps from posts here) and that might help you hear "it"... then practice and don't give up, it's definitely a skill like beatmatching, where once you learn it you can do it in seconds... :-)

where's that website where you can just type in the name of the track and it gives you the bpm and key and all??? is it mixshare? if so where? i can't find it...

yeah, you can search for bpm/key information at [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
under the "music" section. in fact, i've recently revamped the web interface, and it's now very slick! when you search for song you will get a table of the song id/bpm/key/keycode and you can sort columns, view details, and find compatible tracks... i am continuing to clean up the data and it's looking better every day. there have been almost 400,000 user submissions to date, and around 230,000 unique songs...

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