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Originally posted by qualia yeah, you can search for bpm/key information at [[ LINK REMOVED ]] under the "music" section. in fact, i've recently revamped the web interface, and it's now very slick! when you search for song you will get a table of the song id/bpm/key/keycode and you can sort columns, view details, and find compatible tracks... i am continuing to clean up the data and it's looking better every day. there have been almost 400,000 user submissions to date, and around 230,000 unique songs...

Hey Qualia I'm an user of mixshare, and since yuou make those changes, when I look at my songs, it appears in the date thesong was entered, I think it would be better, If I can see them in alphabetical order.

Another thing

Let's say I'm looking for a famous song and it has 10 matches found

when I click on one song to see the bpm/key/etc., then I want to go back to the search list, but when I hit the "back" button on Internet Explorer, it says thepage has expered or something like that.

I found this a little annoying beacuse I want to compare with other tracks, but this feature since the changes were made doesn't let me do it.


Thanks

pinokio,

it doesn't sound like you're even using the new version? did you have an old version bookmarked? if so please visit mixshare.com and refresh your browser, the url of the music section has changed... the new version should not require any back and forth of the browser at all. when you search for songs, you should see a table of bpm/key information without having to look at a song's details as well. makes it easier to compare versions, let me know if that helps.

Hello, how accurate is mixshare? I practice on my songs and yhen check it on there and find something different everytime. Maybe i dont have an ear for it yet, but just courious. thanks

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Originally posted by qualia pinokio, it doesn't sound like you're even using the new version? did you have an old version bookmarked? if so please visit mixshare.com and refresh your browser, the url of the music section has changed... the new version should not require any back and forth of the browser at all. when you search for songs, you should see a table of bpm/key information without having to look at a song's details as well. makes it easier to compare versions, let me know if that helps.

wow, that's fucking nice Qualia, I didn't check the web for about a week I think, Cool Web.


What about "My Songs" Feature, I don't see that in thes new changes.

Also, How can I add songs?

Thank You for the work on this, it's a great Site.

lets see if i have some right here please help

cold play - talk (junkie xl remix) Dbm 12a
kyau vs albert - walk down (KVA mix) Dm 7a
kyau vs albert - kiksu F# 7B

pinokio--the ability to add songs over the web and view your personal library will be added soon, just haven't had a chance to code that up yet :-) right now the only way to add songs is to use rapid evolution, which automatically syncs up with the mixshare server to exchange bpm/key/other info.

as far as the accuracy of the info, it's hard to say, as it hasn't really been tested. it's definitely getting better with time. it's designed to average out information that people submit for the same song, to present the best information. so the more data that's submitted the better it should be, and bad information should eventually be ironed out. most of the information comes from users of rapid evolution, and its key detection accuracy was improved significantly recently, which helps (~70% accurate). although some of the data is old and potentially less accurate from using early versions of the program (again, it should correct itself over time).

re2 also now has an accuracy meter for each song, which is given an approximation when automatically detected, but allows for users to indicate that a song's key has been checked by ear (by moving the accuracy all the way up).. why i mention this is because the server users this information as well to try to present the most accurate information, and i can make it to where this accuracy information is displayed over the web as well. i have also coded into the server the ability to mark bad information and allow for users to be ranked by the accuracy of their information, so somebody with consistently bad info can be discredited...

anyway, i could blab forever. point is, i've put a lot into the framework of the server to help eliminate inaccuracies, but it will be a while longer before its true potential is reached!

wow qualia! nice work! keep it up!

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Errr found that out a few years ago dude... but hey. Thanks all the same. Gave that a listen a while back and some how it just doesn't sound as large as it did at the time... I guess things have moved on. Cheers Nem

Still a pretty cool tune though - does sound dated though!

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Originally posted by qualia pinokio--the ability to add songs over the web and view your personal library will be added soon, just haven't had a chance to code that up yet :-) right now the only way to add songs is to use rapid evolution, which automatically syncs up with the mixshare server to exchange bpm/key/other info. as far as the accuracy of the info, it's hard to say, as it hasn't really been tested. it's definitely getting better with time. it's designed to average out information that people submit for the same song, to present the best information. so the more data that's submitted the better it should be, and bad information should eventually be ironed out. most of the information comes from users of rapid evolution, and its key detection accuracy was improved significantly recently, which helps (~70% accurate). although some of the data is old and potentially less accurate from using early versions of the program (again, it should correct itself over time). re2 also now has an accuracy meter for each song, which is given an approximation when automatically detected, but allows for users to indicate that a song's key has been checked by ear (by moving the accuracy all the way up).. why i mention this is because the server users this information as well to try to present the most accurate information, and i can make it to where this accuracy information is displayed over the web as well. i have also coded into the server the ability to mark bad information and allow for users to be ranked by the accuracy of their information, so somebody with consistently bad info can be discredited... anyway, i could blab forever. point is, i've put a lot into the framework of the server to help eliminate inaccuracies, but it will be a while longer before its true potential is reached!

Thanks Qualia for all the work you do on this, I add 90% of the tracks I key to the server, to hlep it, AsI also get help by it, I do key Everything by ear before adding any information, some tunes it's harder than others tokey, and that's why I use your server to have a reference, but I always Check everythign by ear before adding it, so the accuracy it's very high.

I think it's very good to have users acredited and discredited, I've seen some users that have too many wrong keys, I've even started to think they are spamming the site with wrong keys.

This would be a very useful improvement.

Thanks Again, Great Site you have created.


Pepa

pinokio,

thanks for your support! i enjoy doing what i do, and don't plan to stop ;-) my love for music and for software have found a good match, and it thrills me to think my work is helping out other djs!!

btw, until i add the option to report bad information, can you post or email privately about some of these users with consistently bad information? i will be able to correct the data. as far as spam, seems weird that somebody would do that (i.e. what's their motive?), but key detection isn't easy so i might attribute it to lack of experience on the user's behalf. in any case, it's something that can be easily remedied onced identified.

cheers, and thanks for the feedback!

Ok some more ?s, when you have a song that is at 0 pitch and it is in a Cm if you move the pitch up 3% then it would be a half step so now you would be in a Dbm and if you went up to 6% then you would be in a Dm. is this correct or not

saying it started in a 5A then 12A and then a 7A
Cm Dbm Dm

My take on it (may be wrong) is that 3A at 6% is 4A

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Originally posted by Benjamin_D Ok some more ?s, when you have a song that is at 0 pitch and it is in a Cm if you move the pitch up 3% then it would be a half step so now you would be in a Dbm and if you went up to 6% then you would be in a Dm. is this correct or not saying it started in a 5A then 12A and then a 7A Cm Dbm Dm

No guys,
If you have a a track in Cm (5a) and you move the pitch by 3%, it's like you are bending a guitar string. It falls into the middle ground where it will either work with both, 1 or none of them but it doesn't actually become either note. It's halfway beween a Cm (5a) and C#m (12a) (Yes also known as Dbm).
For it to become Dbm (C#m) you would have to be hitting the 6% mark.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by skot_e My take on it (may be wrong) is that 3A at 6% is 4A

What you need to do is think like this.
Using the Camelot system you either Add 7 or take 5 to get the one note lift type mix, for example the 6% difference on a 3a becomes a 10a i.e. A#m to Bm.

The 3a to 4a mix works totally differently and is based on compatible musical scales, and ultimately is a bit more abstract. You are basically talking about a note's 4th and 5th.

Cheers
Nem

Edit: delete slow post - Ques answered

cool let me try to reword this. i have a song that plays at 130 bpm but the rest of my songs are playing at 137 so i would have to adjust the pitch by 5 or 6% if the song started out at a 5A, Cm and adjusted the pitch that mmuch the song would be in a 7A, Dm now right. so now i just mix it into songs that are 7A, 6A, 8A, 7B, 11A, 4A.

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Originally posted by Benjamin_D cool let me try to reword this. i have a song that plays at 130 bpm but the rest of my songs are playing at 137 so i would have to adjust the pitch by 5 or 6% if the song started out at a 5A, Cm and adjusted the pitch that mmuch the song would be in a 7A, Dm now right. so now i just mix it into songs that are 7A, 6A, 8A, 7B, 11A, 4A.

Not quite, it would become 12A i.e. C#m.

It would then work with 1a, 11a, possibly 9a and 4a and should work fine with other tracks in 12a.
Your theory is almost sound.

Think of it like this, 6% increase would make a 5a to 12a, 12a into a 7a, a 7a into a 2a and so on.

Cheers
Nem

If you had a song that was in key Gm (6a) ans adjusted the pitch +6 or 7% what key would it be in then.

the reason i ask is A is a really low note and G is a really high note. how would this work if you are only using middle c, a & b to the left and d,e,f,g, to the right.

thanks for all of your help NEM,

hi Benjamin_D--

a song in Gm at +~6% is going to be in G#m (also called Abm)

i wouldn't think of notes as being higher or lower than each other, as every 12th note up and down repeats itself. so while you say A is a really low note, there's a G that's below it (2 half-steps). for every A there is another A an octave lower and higher. maybe i misunderstood... ;-)

Also worth checking out the rising pitch theory.

Cheers
Nem

I've been wondering about octave changes myself. When playing tracks that are same pitch / different octave I find myself having to compensate more bass on the EQs for the incoming track if its a higher octave.

When the basslines are in key AND octave...changing over to the new track is hardly noticable.

all i have to say is keep your keys to yourself. use your ears, trial and error. some people werent made to be deejays

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Originally posted by ohmegah7 all i have to say is keep your keys to yourself. use your ears, trial and error. some people werent made to be deejays

yeah, coz trial & error is a great way to find out which of my 200 odd tunes might go well together do you have any idea at all how much time and effort it would take to mix every song you have together? cretin.

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Originally posted by ohmegah7 all i have to say is keep your keys to yourself. use your ears, trial and error. some people werent made to be deejays

i agree, quit trying to say one way of mixing is better than another. let the end result, the music and your mixes, speak for itself.

well then i guess you cant cut it because 200 odd tracks is nothing...cretin

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