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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN gerrard would make an excellent captain.

he is a great captain for liverpool but he has never done much in an england shirt. the captaincy could bring the best out of him though, it would be good to see him replicate his club form finally.

gerrard's sh!t, lampard is sh!t; england are sh!t. i cant believe argentina and brazil are out. this world cup is ghey !

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Originally posted by PauLie_C Paalie, i disagree Owen hargraves was englands best player last nite, and has been great all tournament, he is sure to have silenced his critics. Sven should have bought theo wallcot on in the last 10 mins, inject the game with some pace, scare the pork n cheese defence with his pace the kid runs the 100m in 10.8 sec thats farkin quick McLaren will do a much better job with england, he knows the players backwards, and he knows how england should play

Maclaren will get england to play long balls, just like he does with Middlesborough. They are destined for more failures. Hargreaves was shite, is fucken shite and always will be shite. One decent game dont change that. Carrick is much more effective in the role.

100% agree on Walcott, as i said every 4 years teh mickey mouse camp that is England rolls along and this year was no different...If you ask me the english fans are pretty patient with their national team!

Only one captain for england and thats John Terry, the guy bleeds for the shirt like no one else!

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Originally posted by Paulie Only one captain for england and thats John Terry, the guy bleeds for the shirt like no one else!

Agreed

John Terry is a monster, and when they are tossing the coin, u want someoen to represent ur team, that is going to stare the other captaion in the eyes, getting him ready for battle, not ppretty boy beckham who kisses the opposing captains half the time.

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Originally posted by Paulie Hargreaves was shite, is fucken shite and always will be shite. One decent game dont change that. Carrick is much more effective in the role.

Did you see the England - Sweden game? Or the England - Ecuador game? Hargreaves has been one of only three England players who actually played to anything like their potential in this tournament and ran his socks off with the kind of passion that shows lampard up to be the lazy, believing his own hype nancy boy he really is.

I take it you have never seen him play for Bayern Munich either? Where on the few occasions I have he has actually upstaged Ballack in much the same way he did to Lampard and Gerrard against Portugal. But yeah, he's shit and always will be, very strong argument.

Carrick is a completely different kind of player, can't tackle and is much slower. Don't get me wrong I like carrick and would have liked to see him in for lampard who has struggled, but not in the hargreaves role which hargreaves has well and truly made his own now.

Comparing hargreaves to Ballack now, Ive heard it all!



The end of the story is you want players that are going to win you a world cup, and hargreaves isnt one of them. You want some evidence (2002 world cup, 2006 world cup). Evidence enough.

ok so now ur saying they should drop teh whole team???????

hargraves did a much better job than lampard and gerrard

I said he has upstaged ballack, i wasn't comparing him to ballack.

You're argument makes no sense, what do you mean "2002 world cup, 2006 world cup evidence enough"?

Hargreaves was man of the match in Englands opening world cup game 4 years ago and then got injured in the second game. This time he was man of the match in 2 of the 5 games and was the only guy who looked really up for it when it mattered most.

Have your opinion but at least make an argument that makes sense.

Lampard can win you a game with one kick, same as gerrard... Unfortunately Hargreaves cant... The only thing hargreaves bought was freshness. Unlike most players in england he hasnt played in excess of 100-120 games of football in 24 months. Lampard was a bees dick away from having a top world cup (got into great goal scoring positions just couldnt tuck it away). If hes chances went in the back of the net, the english wouuld be ass raping him as we speak...My point is hargreaves brings nothing to the squad. Its unfortunate Ledley King wasnt in the world Cup, we wouldnt even have heard of Hargreaves!

sometimes paul, i think u only post coz u like looking at that terrorist avatar of yours

GO BACK TO RUSSIA!

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Originally posted by Paulie Lampard can win you a game with one kick, same as gerrard... Unfortunately Hargreaves cant...

we used to play a 3-3-4 in highschool soccer. playing on the wing i never felt i got enough credit for doing the 95% work before a goal was scored.

imo its a lot easier to get a sublime pass from a beckham, gerrard, giggs etc onto the penalty spot and then bang it away ala van nistelrooy than it is to make that pass in the first place.

in their last game hargreaves was the man taking on the defenders, making space and putting in balls for the attack to smack it into the back of the net. imo without hargreaves that game wouldve been a lot less interesting to watch, and had someone connected with one of his plays, he indeed would have won the match (according to me).

John Terry should be captain. He's the best striker in the world.

Make him goalkeeper too. He'd be the best in the world at that too.

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Originally posted by Paulie Lampard can win you a game with one kick, same as gerrard... Unfortunately Hargreaves cant... The only thing hargreaves bought was freshness. Unlike most players in england he hasnt played in excess of 100-120 games of football in 24 months. Lampard was a bees dick away from having a top world cup (got into great goal scoring positions just couldnt tuck it away). If hes chances went in the back of the net, the english wouuld be ass raping him as we speak...My point is hargreaves brings nothing to the squad. Its unfortunate Ledley King wasnt in the world Cup, we wouldnt even have heard of Hargreaves!

Just as I thought, you don't understand football. No point arguing.

As i said the benny hill show that is the England national soccer team will roll in again in 4 years, and the same shit will occur...Why? because fans like yourself are blinded by their nationalistic pride...While you rate mediocrity, your national team will continue to be nothing but under achievers... Its a shame because England has a quality setup with a quality league. They deserve better.

hargraves isnt a matchwinner, thats not his role

where as it is gerrards role, and it is lampards role, they failed!

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Originally posted by Paulie As i said the benny hill show that is the England national soccer team will roll in again in 4 years, and the same shit will occur...Why? because fans like yourself are blinded by their nationalistic pride...While you rate mediocrity, your national team will continue to be nothing but under achievers... Its a shame because England has a quality setup with a quality league. They deserve better.

Blinded by nationalistic pride? I'm not saying England performed well in this world cup or that I consider their performances acceptable. I'm saying Hargreaves did perform well and was our best player against portugal while Lampard went missing (as he had done all tournament, except taking countless shots that came nowhere near scoring)

You really think the team's success is the fans' fault? Yeah I can really see lampard, gerrard and co saying to each other 'don't worry guys, we'll play crap tonight cos the fans won't mind too much'

lampard is chelsea scum anyway, Fuck him, useless c.unt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrxrPEXvI9c

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Originally posted by feelinveryweird Blinded by nationalistic pride?

This is why they don't let pommies coach the English Team, they are way too blinded by nationalistic pride, how can you expect to have an objective opinion about England when you were born and raised their Feelingverywierd?

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Originally posted by Paulie As i said the benny hill show that is the England national soccer team

hahahhahaha

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Originally posted by feelinveryweird I watched the game, and didn't see much of substance from argentina. yes they should have brought messi on and shouldn't have taken riquelme off but they are the 'what ifs' that will always be there in football. based on what actually happenned, argentina are all show and little end product (except against an extremely poor serbia side)

What ifs you say, im sorry but Argentina basically just took the Germans out of the game with there possesion dominant game play and reduced Germany to counter attacking that hardly looked impressive. Nothing to do with 'what ifs', the fact is that if Argentina had played Germany out of the game instead of inviting them back it into it, Germany wouldn't have gone through.

I wouldn't be that quick to put Argentina down, when you have the whole team defending, there isn't as much space or room to play the game they would have liked eg Arg-Mex example of two attacking teams gong at each other, hard to say that both teams actually lacked substance

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Originally posted by tathi This is why they don't let pommies coach the English Team, they are way too blinded by nationalistic pride, how can you expect to have an objective opinion about England when you were born and raised their Feelingverywierd?

It's actually because, like australia, there are no decent english coaches at the moment! An Englishman has just taken control but I'm sceptical as to how successful he will be.

What have I actually said that lacks objectivity? I said hargreaves played very well, lampard did not, and overall England were a dissapointment.

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Originally posted by ekul What ifs you say, im sorry but Argentina basically just took the Germans out of the game with there possesion dominant game play and reduced Germany to counter attacking that hardly looked impressive. Nothing to do with 'what ifs', the fact is that if Argentina had played Germany out of the game instead of inviting them back it into it, Germany wouldn't have gone through. I wouldn't be that quick to put Argentina down, when you have the whole team defending, there isn't as much space or room to play the game they would have liked eg Arg-Mex example of two attacking teams gong at each other, hard to say that both teams actually lacked substance

I dislike Argentina I'll admit that, so my view is bias against them. They were more impressive than Germany for most of the game, but like I said, they didn't really create much in the way of scoring chances. The one goal they did score was from a set piece. For a team so hyped up in terms of playing the 'beautiful game' that's not much to show for it.

go germany!!!

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Originally posted by pinkhelmet I dislike Argentina I'll admit that, so my view is bias against them. They were more impressive than Germany for most of the game, but like I said, they didn't really create much in the way of scoring chances. The one goal they did score was from a set piece. For a team so hyped up in terms of playing the 'beautiful game' that's not much to show for it.

Yeh your partially right, their first goal against Germany scored was a mirror image of the goal scored against Mexico. In the second stage against teams that are of much better quality than Serbia they struggled but i don't think that has anything to do with the way they played the game, rather they lacked a striker of the same quality as there midfield. Crespo, you were a great player but this wc you lacked the flair that you possesed at your peak. Brazil were in the same boat with players like Cafu, if only they had decided to blood the younger players like Cincinho instead of going with experience in age, it would have changed the way Brazil would have played.

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