Liberation of Iraq has just occured

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Posted by JohnSmith on Apr-10-2003 04:09:

When the regime of saddamn hussein falls, the people of iraq dance in the streets. if the regime of george bush were to fall, people would dance the whole world over.

Posted by malek on Apr-10-2003 04:23:

hahahaha so true.

but then Rumsfeld and his clique will take power or some other crazy dude

Posted by Cracka-X on Apr-10-2003 05:51:

Posted by malek on Apr-10-2003 06:12:

talking about human shield.

There was a lady with peace sign in Baghdad, she wasn't iraqi. She tells a tank commander to go back where he comes from, that people don't want war.

So the tank commander replies " you forgot about 9 11 " laughed and got back into his tank.

I felt so bad about the whole situation, i was in disbelief. god damn it, what does 911 have to do with this war! Is that what they tell US soldiers? go avenge 9-11?!?

Posted by occrider on Apr-10-2003 07:14:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
When the regime of saddamn hussein falls, the people of iraq dance in the streets. if the regime of george bush were to fall, people would dance the whole world over.

This post actually makes me sick. No joke ... it's a lack of respect like this that infuriates me. I expected better of you John to not stoop to that level of disrespect.

Posted by quddha on Apr-10-2003 12:33:

I think people would dance regardless of who won. Its more of a "yay! the fighting is over, I don't have to worry about getting my assed bombed!" kind of dance. If the war went they other way around, they'd be celebrating the defeat of their invaders.

Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-10-2003 13:30:

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Originally posted by LiquidX
Republicans in Florida don't want to give scholarships to any student that comes from terrorists countries ( Iraq, Iran, Siria etc .. ). And this is a law that is been looked into the REPUBLICAN owned house of reps. of Florida. The claim was that why should taxpayers in Florida pay for this kidds coming from those countries?!?!(Ofcourse they are US citizens) .. Bush said clearly that it's not against the people but the regime, yet, the Republicans in Florida are all over this issue.. it's an idea of how this republicans can get, neonconservatives minds..

Why the fuck do so many Cuban people there vote Republican? Can't they see that those other people (that you speek of) are immigrants wanting a better life for themselves too??

How do you think JEb keeps getting reelected?? The Jewish vote?? OMFG that's a hick name if I've ever heard one..."JEB."

Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-10-2003 13:34:

quote:
Originally posted by quddha
I think people would dance regardless of who won. Its more of a "yay! the fighting is over, I don't have to worry about getting my assed bombed!" kind of dance. If the war went they other way around, they'd be celebrating the defeat of their invaders.

You may be partially right about that, but I don't believe for a second that all the KURDS and Shiites would be dancing in the streets at the prospect of another decade or two under Saddam.

Posted by sifntj0r on Apr-10-2003 15:13:

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Originally posted by ahlamalek
talking about human shield.

many of them have returned now, there were a few news paper articles that i didnt keep, and a few online links/stories that are now archived/restricted to accounts about human shields that left iraq because they got used by the iraqi government, put in front of military targets (ammo dumps) instead of humanitarian sites (grain silo's etc).

Posted by Cyrus King on Apr-10-2003 19:02:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
When the regime of saddamn hussein falls, the people of iraq dance in the streets. if the regime of george bush were to fall, people would dance the whole world over.

I would be happily dancing along with the rest of the world.

Posted by Tranex02 on Apr-10-2003 19:33:

pretty interesting if u ask me....

Posted by Arbiter on Apr-10-2003 19:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
I would be happily dancing along with the rest of the world.

For once, I agree with you.

Posted by Cracka-X on Apr-11-2003 00:40:

/plays world's smallest violin

Posted by Renegade on Apr-11-2003 17:31:

^^ Exactly.

To compare the toppling of this statue to the fall of the Berlin Wall is moronic. It's incredible, though, that this single image will be etched in the memories of far more people than - say - the large amounts of civilian deaths or the anarchy following the toppling that the US admit they are powerless to prevent.... but then I suppose that's the power of television isn't it....

Posted by malek on Apr-11-2003 19:01:

BINGO

confirms what I was suspecting all along.

those 5000 or so trained Iraqi in the US now come off handy

Posted by LiquidX on Apr-11-2003 21:20:

Ok, there is BIG time propaganda here in the US. I just saw a program showing how here in the United States only the nicest things there has been done on the war. Such as announcing all the victories the US has done and accomplished, while in the rest of the world they show the REALITY of WAR such as the casualties, the dead people, and even the coalition soldiers dead. I don't think it's fair to show only the things accomplished, but the casualties and reality, so people realize what this is really about, I hear kids so happily saying we beat their asses and stuff, thinking that it was just clean and easy, but the reality of it is a totally different image, the image of a WAR. I found it so interesting though how the US channels show something totally different then what the rest of the world sees.

Posted by occrider on Apr-11-2003 22:08:

So what about reports from Al-Jazeera themselves about Iraqis celebrating, throwing flowers, and prasiing the US troops as they rolled into Baghdad? Are they manipulating the media as well? You could tell from their article that there was WIDESPREAD jubilation as opposed to isolated "fixed" incidents as you so imply.

Posted by rupert on Apr-12-2003 02:51:

No one ever remembers the lessons of the past. Sure the punters are happy to get rid of the most brutal despicable regime in the Middle East. For Now.

A regime I should point out for many years America was more than comfortable supporting when it was carrying out many of its brutal massacres.

In the early 1980's Israel invaded Lebanon to drive out the Palestinians and set up a puppet regime in Lebanon loyal to Israel.

When Israel invaded the Shia of the south greeted them with wild enthusiasm because the Shia hated the palestinians who were on the whole brutal and violent and upset their traditional way of life.

The Shia were happy to get rid of the PLO but it didnt last. It ended up in a brutal vicious war in the South of Lebanon which the Shia won. The Shia drove out the US, France and Israel. They beat Israel, the invincible army left Lebanon with its tail between its legs.

The best thing america could do is pull all its troops out of Iraq immediately and hand over to the UN. But in its arrogance and naievety it wont. America will think it can create a state loyal to the US. The Iraqi National Congress. What a joke.

What happened in Lebanon will happen to the United States. We shall see how smug all the pro-war advocates when arab 'terrorists' strike at american interests in Iraq.

Posted by Izzy on Apr-12-2003 02:56:

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Originally posted by rupert
In the early 1980's Israel invaded Lebanon to drive out the Palestinians and set up a puppet regime in Lebanon loyal to Israel.

and i thought i've heard it all

Posted by LiquidX on Apr-12-2003 03:37:

Im saying that the US channels here show just about the nicest part, while in other parts, including Al-jazeera show more of the reality of the war, people enjoying is part of the news, but it's not all there is.

Posted by rupert on Apr-12-2003 03:37:

That was exactly why Israel invaded Lebanon. The PLO were launching attacks on Israel from Lebanese territory. The Israelis wanted to smash the PLO in Lebanon, which they did. The Israelis also wanted to smash the Syrians who at the time had the most control over Lebanon. Which they also did.

To that effect the Israeli government provided military and political support to the Christian faction of the Lebanese (the Phalange) with the intent of getting them into government and then obtaining a peace treaty in favour of Israel.

If that wasnt why the Israelis invaded Lebanon then you tell me why they did it then.

Posted by occrider on Apr-12-2003 04:49:

quote:
Originally posted by rupert
That was exactly why Israel invaded Lebanon. The PLO were launching attacks on Israel from Lebanese territory. The Israelis wanted to smash the PLO in Lebanon, which they did. The Israelis also wanted to smash the Syrians who at the time had the most control over Lebanon. Which they also did.

To that effect the Israeli government provided military and political support to the Christian faction of the Lebanese (the Phalange) with the intent of getting them into government and then obtaining a peace treaty in favour of Israel.

If that wasnt why the Israelis invaded Lebanon then you tell me why they did it then.

That Is why Israel invaded lebanon but lebanon is firmly in the grasp of Syria.

Posted by rupert on Apr-13-2003 00:14:

and it will keep its control of Lebanon until Israel hands back the Golan Heights to Syria.

Posted by JohnSmith on Apr-13-2003 03:30:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
This post actually makes me sick. No joke ... it's a lack of respect like this that infuriates me. I expected better of you John to not stoop to that level of disrespect.

Makes you sick? good. i'm sorry but it's the truth, and if you can't stomach it, then stop coming here, and just leave CNN and fox on all day.

Respect for bush and his Regime? Sorry, no, they have not earned it. Not after the way the handled s11, not after the subsequent bombing of afghanistan, not after the completely unprovoked and unneccesary attack of iraq.

and certainly not after i have spent the last hour reading all about Richard Perle and the PNAC.

The Bush regime not only does not get my respect, but it brings the bile to the back of my throat. Therefore, i will say it again:

When the regime of saddam hussein falls, the people of iraq dance in the streets. if the regime of george bush were to fall, people would dance the whole world over.

Posted by tranceaholic on Apr-13-2003 04:37:

i still do not see the justification for the was..war started because of the threat of the chemical weapons and how they might be used against others...first uptil now know evidence however people will jump on my back ohhh but they are there and will be found..however u r innocent til proven guilty..if he was going down i think he would have used em...what has he got to lose...also this war showed how hyped sadam was..he couldnt defend his country let along attack others...fuck we got tougher gangs in LA that would put up a tougher fight..so this has been a bullshit war..some will say oh but we got rid of sadam..however that is not a reason to go to war...i am dying to know the real reasons for the was...now iraq is free yey...as days go by greed is increasing..everyone now has a gun to protect himself and thier property..the country is in caos right now..and with time the iraqis will hate the day the forces entered iraq..how caqn u put a goverment without the consultabce of the people..u cannot force a goverment on them...iraq was a mess with sadam and now a bigger mess without em...havent read a single post or article that would help me change my mind.

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