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how long should u use a cart before you should replace it? I'm guessing it's different for different carts but wats the general time frame?

SHURE needles are awesome but they eat your records like crazy. Aside from that, you'll be replacing them more often. If you love your records, don't even bother with these needles.

STANTON Trackmaster-2s have no tracking whatsoever. I haven't tried the Groovemaster-2s but I expect better tracking and better output.

But myself, I have ORTOFON-OM DJS series. I prefer these over the Concordes.

it's a matter of personally preference really. i love my trackmaster 2s but i know people that despise them. they're like headphones, use what feel and sound best to you. cheers.

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Originally posted by T:REBEL SHURE needles are awesome but they eat your records like crazy. Aside from that, you'll be replacing them more often. If you love your records, don't even bother with these needles. STANTON Trackmaster-2s have no tracking whatsoever. I haven't tried the Groovemaster-2s but I expect better tracking and better output. But myself, I have ORTOFON-OM DJS series. I prefer these over the Concordes.

I was going to get shure needles, anyone else have experiance with them as far as record wear goes ?

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Originally posted by `pr0digy I was going to get shure needles, anyone else have experiance with them as far as record wear goes ?

It doesn't matter what kind of SHURE needle you get. They all do the same thing; they EAT YOUR RECORDS like CRAZY. If you love your records, you will not purchase them.

Message for Vestax PDX owners...

Will it really kill you to learn how to balance a tonearm to minimize mistracking errors? I bet that 100% of you folks (overstatement) will skratch on them only and go no further into beat juggling, trick mixing, etc. Shame on you and your dandy battle records, watching people scratch over and over would be like counting sheep, you�ll quickly put people to sleep. One important question to remember, �What is beat juggle?" Your going to be a natural at asking that question, so your welcome.

I dislike straight-arm technology.

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Originally posted by `pr0digy I was going to get shure needles, anyone else have experiance with them as far as record wear goes ?

Nope, records are fine

Zzyzx

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I was going to get shure needles, anyone else have experiance with them as far as record wear goes ?

I decided to go with the Shure White Labels because i read many posts saying they experienced no record wear. The two posts above are the first two i have come across saying the Shures have problems with record wear. I would be interested to know if the two individuals that made those posts have any experience with the White Labels.

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Originally posted by RJOllos I decided to go with the Shure White Labels because i read many posts saying they experienced no record wear. The two posts above are the first two i have come across saying the Shures have problems with record wear. I would be interested to know if the two individuals that made those posts have any experience with the White Labels.

My experience comes from using the M44-7's.

I just got rid of my trackmaster II and bought shure whitelabels. The sound quality is much better but the output is not as loud.

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Originally posted by T:REBEL My experience comes from using the M44-7's.

Is that it??? You've only used the M44-7's but still you go on to say that it doesn't matter what kind of Shure's you get, they still eat your records??? I think we have an expert here!

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Originally posted by g-money I just got rid of my trackmaster II and bought shure whitelabels. The sound quality is much better but the output is not as loud.

Output isn't as loud, but in all the specs I've seen, the output volume is noted... Is it really that big a deal anyway ?

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Originally posted by `pr0digy Output isn't as loud, but in all the specs I've seen, the output volume is noted... Is it really that big a deal anyway ?

Not really but thats what i've notice so far. Dont get me wrong i love the whitelabels. I might return it and try the orto instead.

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Originally posted by KristineClub Is that it??? You've only used the M44-7's but still you go on to say that it doesn't matter what kind of Shure's you get, they still eat your records??? I think we have an expert here!

I'm not an expert. Whoever said I was to start with? Yes, M44-7's, but my buddies have used other SHURE needles and agree with me. The only needles the crew and I haven't touched from SHURE is the WHITELABELS.

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Originally posted by T:REBEL I'm not an expert. Whoever said I was to start with? Yes, M44-7's, but my buddies have used other SHURE needles and agree with me. The only needles the crew and I haven't touched from SHURE is the WHITELABELS.

That's exactly my point. If you've never used the Whitelabels then how can you say that ALL Shure needles eat your records?

I think the main point here is that there have been several good reviews in this and other threads from people that have the Shure White Labels ... I have yet to read any bad reviews from someone that claims to actually own them. The one critcism of them seems to be that they are not as loud, particularly on the low end.

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Originally posted by T:REBEL It doesn't matter what kind of SHURE needle you get. They all do the same thing; they EAT YOUR RECORDS like CRAZY. If you love your records, you will not purchase them.

I have to agree with you on this T. I must however add that I have only used 'White labels' on a handfull of occasions so would have to exclude them from that statement. The sounds was good but nothing special that I haven't heard before from other makes. The sound quality will also only be as good as your worst piece of equipment. You can have the best carts in the world but if your mixer is shite it wont make that much difference.

The M44-7s are the favourite of a ton of turntablists but they wear your records like a mo fo. While the sound that is delivered is excellent, due to the setting up required with these carts the wear on your records will be high.
If mounted in your headshells like a standard cart they will skip like crazy. To rememdy this you need to angle the cartridge but this creates extra wear on the outside wall fo the groove. I also find that the back of the cart tends to drag on the record when the weight is too high.
If you are going 'crab, flare and orbit' then go for the M44-7s but if you don't care for this then go for sound quality. I find that most of the better sounding carts also have good tracking.

My personal favourite are Ortofon concordes. I have always found these reliable and good sound quality too. My personal dislikes are any of the cheaper stantons.

The best you can do as a DJ is work on your techniques and skills, sound quality is something that is very often beyond our control due to shite sound systems and so on.

In summary:
I'm sure that the white labels are a good buy. Just like anything else in this business you really do get what you pay for.

Best of luck to ya's
Nem

Club systems arent set up for audiophile listening enjoyment- the majority of peeps would be hard pushed to tell the difference between carts from the dance floor to be honest.
The difference between a high end Shure and ortofon isnt really going to be that great and no point getting anal about such things- lifes too short.

Personally i swear by my ortofon Concorde Nightclub 'S' and i also use the Dj 'S' concordes- never let me down- require no farting about setting up apart from maybe a minute adjustment of the weight..

And far far better than the 'Scratch and skip' Stanton 500s that are pretty much standard fit in every club i play at...

ALL stylus wear your records. Simple fact really.

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