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-- Paul Oakenfold@SYSTEM (08.15.03)
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Originally posted by Durafei Well, I'd be curious to know which Trance DJs often work on 3 or 4 decks. When you find one, let me know.

excellent point!

ryan, if you want to bring in techno djs into the discussion, then two words, JEFF MILLS!!!! talk about skills, this guy often mixes without even touching the pitch control, (so if he has to slow the incoming track down, he'll slow it down by touching the platter and mix it in, seamlessly!!) and he's famous for it, works off 3 decks all the time, often four... carl cox is good too, but i personally don't like his track selection...

i agree with the know your shit before you talk statement

i think the only reason oakie (joakie hahaha) still spins is so he can afford his habbits...sniff...and waste a little bit of time, cuz i honestly dont think that guy gives a shit about anything other than money and popularity

cheers

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Originally posted by tranced_state i agree with the know your shit before you talk statement i think the only reason oakie (joakie hahaha) still spins is so he can afford his habbits...sniff...and waste a little bit of time, cuz i honestly dont think that guy gives a shit about anything other than money and popularity cheers

with the $$$ he makes by producing music for films AND the cash he picks up from his perfecto label, i don't really think he needs to dj at all, so yeah, know your shit before you talk

you abviously missed the point

and do you really think he would quit spinning?
why would he do that? its to convenient for him. why rely on the money he makes from those other sources when he can make even more money from spinning at the same time.

why do actors act their whole lives?
they become producers, directors and what not...why, they make more than enough just acting...the answer is...they have to support their lifestyle...money only last so long and it only goes so far, than its all gone, especially if they spend it all like most multi millionairs do.

so if oakie spends all the money he makes in a year from his sources other than spinning, than he isw gonna wanna have money left to lead the same lifestyle he is living now...so why not spin and save that money for when he retires

but thats not the point either

the point is he doesnt care for his fans anymore

and stupid fucks like you seem to love to hang off his nutts for that cuz he used to care and be a quality dj

cheers

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Originally posted by partyprincess ppl just want to hate on the best dj out there...but truth be told, there hasn't been anyone who can even compare to him technically. not tiesto, not armin, not cox...not anyone.

thanks for the laugh...!

*lol*

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Originally posted by tranced_state you abviously missed the point and do you really think he would quit spinning? why would he do that? its to convenient for him. why rely on the money he makes from those other sources when he can make even more money from spinning at the same time. why do actors act their whole lives? they become producers, directors and what not...why, they make more than enough just acting...the answer is...they have to support their lifestyle...money only last so long and it only goes so far, than its all gone, especially if they spend it all like most multi millionairs do. so if oakie spends all the money he makes in a year from his sources other than spinning, than he isw gonna wanna have money left to lead the same lifestyle he is living now...so why not spin and save that money for when he retires

which is EXACTLY the point i'm trying to prove... you can apply what you just said to anyone in the world, why single him out and say something dumb like "i think the only reason oakie (joakie hahaha) still spins is so he can afford his habbits...sniff..."?!

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but thats not the point either the point is he doesnt care for his fans anymore

riiiiight, even if he does, what relevance does it have on our discussion? who cares...

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and stupid fucks like you seem to love to hang off his nutts for that cuz he used to care and be a quality dj cheers

I could care less about oakie, but its fucks like you that jump on the flame band wagon that irritate the shit out of me... if you're going to hate him, thats fine, who cares if you do, but don't be coming on here trying to justify your hate with some lame ass excuses yet having no clue what you're talking about...

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Originally posted by fantom And I don't know what progressive you're talking about (trance maybe), but the Saturday nights for the last two months have been booked by the progressive/deep/tribal house DJs... Sure, they have a few classic house nights every month or so, but it's mostly good pumping progressive house music on Saturdays.

umm, no, its not... it's classic house saturdays, progressive house fridays... except for special events obviously... plus morales was there about a month ago on a saturday and i wouldn't classify him as progressive... lol

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Originally posted by Durafei Well, I'd be curious to know which Trance DJs often work on 3 or 4 decks. When you find one, let me know.

They're all but non-existent. The genre as a whole doesn't demand much in the way of technical skill. That said, I can think of one guy who at least was classified as a trance dj, and who utilizes three decks from time to time. Any guesses? Hahahahaaa!










Sasha.

Check out disc one of his SanFran GU. It's a fuckin' piece of art. Probably mixed with Protools mind you, but he sometimes mixes like that live too, and that can serve as a good example of trance played technically brilliantly. As far as I'm concerned, trance dj's are all good and fine, playing one track after another, but none of them today, at least to my knowledge, take it to the next level. None of them involve much in the way of creativity or origniality in their sets. Oakie is a great example of that. He just plays rekkids. Back to back to back, with rarely more than a sixteen or thirty-two beat transition (mix). Trance is all about track-selection yes, but there is something beautiful and artistic in being creative, and trance dj's are notorious for ignoring this.

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Originally posted by MattVagrant Oakie is a great example of that. He just plays rekkids. Back to back to back, with rarely more than a sixteen or thirty-two beat transition (mix).

Hmm... That said, he does this well. Which is the most important part. Just don't go saying that he's technically good as a result.

isn't that how trance is mixed? most likely either 8 or 16 bar transitions...

I don't understand why you people who are so picky about mixing keep ignoring the fact that the stuff that DJ playes IS JUST as important.

Saying that Carl Cox is better than Oakey or vice versa because one can mix better than other is non-sense. I'm sure there are amazing hip-hop DJs who can mix even better than Carl Cox, so are you gonna say that they are better DJs then Carl Cox ? NO, cause they spin different music and hence are in different category of DJing..


IMHO any DJ who can create an amazing vibe at a venue is a good DJ.. Oakey was able to do it in 99-2000.. Not anymore.

^^^ LOL!!

I was waiting for someone to post one of those...

Ouch... another flamewar in an event thread.

I don't know what the big deal is... #1, it seems sort of uncalled for to crap on event threads because you don't like the DJ(s), but #2 it's also uncalled for to tell people they're sheep because they don't like the DJ (which was the reason I posted). Two wrongs don't make a right...

Anyway, I think people have tunnel vision here. This type of thing isn't new, it's happened dozens of times in the rock music sect too. Maybe it's a lame example but look at the Smashing Pumpkins, a lot of their old fans (before they got popular) started to hate them when they got too "experimental" with their music. Oakie's gotten experimental, and in the process gained some new fans and lost some old fans. Let's not use this thread to bash him OR his fans OR his non-fans! I don't really like Oakie but I have to admit he does have a reputation for creating a hell of a vibe, so I might actually consider going to this event.

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Originally posted by TranceGeek umm, no, its not... it's classic house saturdays, progressive house fridays... except for special events obviously... plus morales was there about a month ago on a saturday and i wouldn't classify him as progressive... lol

Whatever dawg... I still wouldn't classify Evil P, Addy, Kenny Glasgow, Deko-ze & Satoshi Tomiie that were there 7 out of the last 8 saturdays as "classic house"... sure, Eddie Amador and David Morales were there in the last two months, but that's only two nights out of 8. And I dunno about Fridays, haven't really been to System on a Friday night in a while now. Then again, your conception of house and trance might be a bit "twisted", so...

Hmmm, you're probably right about that now that I think about it... Anyways, this was taken of system's website:


BREATHE FRIDAYS:

One spectacular Friday after the next...Breathe has managed to introduce more talent to the city of Toronto than any other promoter in the history of the city (including 56 different international guests and 27 debuts...and still counting). Originally begun as a progressive house night...Breathe managed to survive and thrive as the only weekly prog-house event in North America and one of the most successfull and internationally-regarding clubnights in the entire world receiving multiple write-ups in American and UK-based dance music magazines, numerous mentions on UK and US radio shows and even managing to have two resident DJs at the time (Mark Scaife and Luke Fair) heralded as "People to Watch in 2002" in DJ Magazine. Now, having educated an entire scene on the fundamentals and variables of progressive house, Breathe has widend it's scope to include quality artists from other genres including techno and trance. Where do we go from here? You'll have to party along with us to discover what the future holds...


BANG SATURDAYS:

BANG is a night dedicated to straight up, proper house music. If you're looking for the melodic, driving, & soulful house sounds of today�s most influential underground house DJs and producers � It starts right here.
Bang Saturdays brings you the finest international talent complemented by Toronto�s best local DJs. Each Saturday night our talented group of residents take you on a journey filled with funky beats and soulful emotion. Dino & Terry kick things of with funky garage house, and DJ Evil P. is sure to keep everybody groovin' into the early hours of the morning. Michael Drury displays his skills in the VIP lounge all night long. We also have several international resident DJs who join us several times a year; Roy Davis Jr. (Chicago/Los Angeles), Eddie Amador (San Francisco) & Cevin Fisher (New York). At least twice a month we feature a guest DJ, including some of the best talent the world has to offer. Past guests have included Satoshi Tomiie, Terrence Parker, Johnny Fiasco, CZR, Junior Sanchez, Jose Nunez, Harry Choo-Choo Romero, John Howard, Mark Farina, Barbara Tucker, Frankie Feliciano, Kerri Chandler, DJ Disciple, Tony Humphries, Baby Hec Romero, John Aquaviva, Donald Glaude, Josh Wink, Little Louie Vega and Bad Boy Bill.


Enterin' it's 3-year anniversary at System Soundbar, BANG Saturdays has consistently delivered quality music and slamming parties every Saturday night, making it undeniably the best underground house night in Toronto. Join us each Saturday for excellent music and a quality vibe, hosted by Daniel C. Mark James, Beth, Virginia Slims, Micah, Miguel & Yasna.

Then again, that description hasn't been updated for like a year now... it's been there since day 1. It still isn't that far off... just ask anyone that goes to System regularly, they might clear the things up a bit.

why is there always so much debate whenever Oakenfold is announced to spin here .. like he always draws up such heated discussion compared to other trance DJ's ..

let's just let the man spin ..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL let's just let the man spin ..

No can do!

Could you guys check if he's coming to Montreal by any chance ?

thanks. cuz I didn't find the august dates on his website.

OK, im going for sure. and this time im not wainting to buy tix. im getting the earliest freaking early bird tix ever.

Every 99 set the man did was fucking gold...

Some of his 2000 are really awesome too, since then i dont care for his style but still respect him

I am hearing he is starting to change back to his old ways though??

1999 OWNZ.

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Originally posted by dartrance Every 99 set the man did was fucking gold... Some of his 2000 are really awesome too, since then i dont care for his style but still respect him I am hearing he is starting to change back to his old ways though??

werd

Oakey is still a good dj. the man plays to the crowd. if the crowd wants cheesey dance he'll play it...his sets over in Europe and some parts of Asia are still gold...his recent set from Shanghai, brilliant...one of the first djs to drop Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes. I saw him last year @ the hockey rink...err hershey centre and he was pretty good...a lot of euro tracks but i enjoyed myself and so did the crowd...he's not gonna play exclusively to a group of TAs taste in music...

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Originally posted by Durafei I don't understand why you people who are so picky about mixing keep ignoring the fact that the stuff that DJ playes IS JUST as important. Saying that Carl Cox is better than Oakey or vice versa because one can mix better than other is non-sense. I'm sure there are amazing hip-hop DJs who can mix even better than Carl Cox, so are you gonna say that they are better DJs then Carl Cox ? NO, cause they spin different music and hence are in different category of DJing.. IMHO any DJ who can create an amazing vibe at a venue is a good DJ.. Oakey was able to do it in 99-2000.. Not anymore.

No offence, but I don't understand why you ignored how I said as much in the post previous to the one you're replying to with these comments. And besides, this is all a result of someone claiming that Oakey was technically better than Carl Cox. My point was that Oakey is not technically better than Carl Cox. I'll leave it at that, lest things get out of hand.

<--- Despite his anti-Oakey sentiments, admits that the man was amazing back in '99 and '00. Teh E-mixes from Havana, and London, and Gatecrasher, and others, were all pure gold.

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