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Originally posted by AmbiguousBliss lol, Kev... Now you're just sounding like Eminem.

techno is

Age-wise, I don't think progressive music has any limits as to whom it reaches. Personally, I think saying that it's reserved for a 19+ crowd is sort of like saying that classical music is only for those who are 45+. Doesn't work for me.

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Originally posted by The Highroller LoL where did this come from? seems like it is YOU who cannot form a paragraph.. this was just some random sentence

lol i WAS talking about myself

my question is .. why do prog DJ's always like to go by their real names .. ? heh guess i can never be a prog DJ since my real name doesn't sound sauve enuff ..

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Originally posted by RyanMarcus Who is the idiot? Hmmm... I think that idiot is you. Do you even know the slightest thing about Classical music? Both forms, both genres are similar in the sense that they are 'artistic' and 'creative', and emphasize and encourage those sort of inclinations. The ONLY difference between prog and classical, is that there is no dynamics changes in prog. It is banged out as loud as possible, at the same level, throught the balance of each track. Besides that, there are really no differences between the two. Feel free to explain -- rationally -- where this unfounded crock of bullshit is coming from.

well RYAN, what a beautiful name...Ryan Phillippe..mmmm

YES i do know a lot about classical music, as well as jazz, as well as prog...I have played sax, the viola (do you even know how to pronounce that?), and am a med student...if you are trying to insult my intelligence, please don't try. and that sentence comment before by that other asshole...well MDs don't have to form sentences.

the differenceS between classical and prog are severely different than what you appear to imagine. first off, there ARE dynamic changes in prog...second, do you actually believe that progressive music is no different than classical music if you take out (in your opinion)dynamics? well then you are a complete fool...remember uneducated little buddy, you are trying to compare digweed to chopin and schubert, and bach, and tchaikovsky, and elgar, and well a shitload more people that I guarantee you were a little more musically gifted than the digger. so go back to your box and rethink your views.

Simma down, guys. I really don't see the point in bashing peoples' musical tastes or each other's intelligence levels.

HaHAhAhAha!

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Originally posted by abercrombieboy well RYAN, what a beautiful name...Ryan Phillippe..mmmm YES i do know a lot about classical music, as well as jazz, as well as prog...I have played sax, the viola (do you even know how to pronounce that?), and am a med student...if you are trying to insult my intelligence, please don't try. and that sentence comment before by that other asshole...well MDs don't have to form sentences. the differenceS between classical and prog are severely different than what you appear to imagine. first off, there ARE dynamic changes in prog...second, do you actually believe that progressive music is no different than classical music if you take out (in your opinion)dynamics? well then you are a complete fool...remember uneducated little buddy, you are trying to compare digweed to chopin and schubert, and bach, and tchaikovsky, and elgar, and well a shitload more people that I guarantee you were a little more musically gifted than the digger. so go back to your box and rethink your views.

Well genius. First off, you insult and attack, but give no supporting evidence. Wonderful way to argue something, mister doctor sir. As well, I always thought that any post-secondary student had to meet certain requirements on an entry examinaion that tests their command of the English language. Having noted your obvious deficiencies in this regard, I'm led to question the authenticity of your 'doctoral claims'. Doctors need to spell intricate medicinal words and such. You seem rather challenged by the prospect of basic communication skills.

Secondly, I have thirteen years of formal training in classical music. I think I know what I'm talking about. For exapmle, another difference between the two, is the matter of tempo. Tempo does not change in EDM @ all. With classical it does. But I'm not arguing their differences. Similarities exist in the motivation towards creativity and originality. And emphasis on multiple layers of sound, as well as thematic changes within tunes. Both emphasise rhythym immensely, and often rely a lot on patterns of notes. More post-modern classical music tends not to function in such ways, but with the composers you listed as examples, it does. I won't digress into this any further, because long posts get boring.

That is all

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Originally posted by contemplator this post is $$$$$$

Thanks man. I call it as I see it...

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Originally posted by RyanMarcus Well genius. First off, you insult and attack, but give no supporting evidence. Wonderful way to argue something, mister doctor sir. As well, I always thought that any post-secondary student had to meet certain requirements on an entry examinaion that tests their command of the English language. Having noted your obvious deficiencies in this regard, I'm led to question the authenticity of your 'doctoral claims'. Doctors need to spell intricate medicinal words and such. You seem rather challenged by the prospect of basic communication skills. Secondly, I have thirteen years of formal training in classical music. I think I know what I'm talking about. For exapmle, another difference between the two, is the matter of tempo. Tempo does not change in EDM @ all. With classical it does. But I'm not arguing their differences. Similarities exist in the motivation towards creativity and originality. And emphasis on multiple layers of sound, as well as thematic changes within tunes. Both emphasise rhythym immensely, and often rely a lot on patterns of notes. More post-modern classical music tends not to function in such ways, but with the composers you listed as examples, it does. I won't digress into this any further, because long posts get boring. That is all

can u say "OWNED?"

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Originally posted by DJRocco can u say "OWNED?"

No not realy. I don't mean to sound like a crapper but RM didn't say anything in that long post.

oh god please don't stoP!!!

*sits back with a bag of popcorn*

This is even better than White House Briefing on "Operation Iraqi Freedom"

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Originally posted by partyprincess My dear Ryan, How dare you attempt to compare classical music with the likes of progressive? Undoubtedly, both have meter, both have harmonies (though progressive tends to be somewhat limited in this respect, and I use the term LIMITED rather loosely) and both can be categorized under the heading of music. However, the only comparison which can be made is purely on a basic structural level. You claim that creativity and originality bonds these two genres together. Isn't the true definition of "music," organized sound? Therefore, any genre of music can be tied with progressive by this claim. Which post-modern classical works are you citing which do not rely on patterns, harmonic layers and melodic themes? These are present in all types of music, from classical to hip hop. Even in the present day minimalist movement, all these aspects of music exist. The repetitive melodic lines of progressive, which consist of only several notes, cannot be compared to the melodies found in classical music. I'm sure that any scholar will back me up on this. The rhythms, if you dictated them onto a sheet of paper, would be found to be extremely simple and once again REPETITIVE. Please reply Ryan, with an example from the progressive repertoire, a theme that is so beautifully used as in the Rococo Variations for Cello by Tschaikovsky. Thanks. P.S. Your lack of elementary theoretical knowledge leads me to question your alleged 13 years spent playing the bazooka. It is my opinion that the institution/s which you attended should refund you your hard earned money. P.S, I've been trying to respond to your post, but in doing so I realized that I didn't really understand what you were trying to say. Enlighten me please?

hahahahahaha Ryanmarcus now THATS ^^^^^^^ OWNAGE, and by a girl I might add...double burn

another TA flame war


*heads to DI forums*

^
Its not a flame thread... yet

Its just an argument. When people resort to name calling, for no reason, then....

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Originally posted by Dr. Z ^ Its not a flame thread... yet Its just an argument. When people resort to name calling, for no reason, then....

oh that will be in the next page

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Originally posted by Dr. Z ^ Its not a flame thread... yet Its just an argument. When people resort to name calling, for no reason, then....

Drazen, you've yet to take a gander at page 3... Blah, blah, blah

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Originally posted by Dr. Z ^ Its not a flame thread... yet Its just an argument. When people resort to name calling, for no reason, then....

I agree!

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Originally posted by AmbiguousBliss Drazen, you've yet to take a gander at page 3... Blah, blah, blah

shhh!!


It only happened once. Fortunately it didn't continue.

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Originally posted by Dr. Z shhh!! It only happened once. Fortunately it didn't continue.

Haha, only once, eh?

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Originally posted by AmbiguousBliss Haha, only once, eh?

yea and where were u when i said lets spread the love in this thread?

it's ur fault it's up in flames!

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Originally posted by DJRocco yea and where were u when i said lets spread the love in this thread? it's ur fault it's up in flames!

When was that?
Anyhow, I'm a lovin' chick - no need to worry.

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Originally posted by AmbiguousBliss When was that? Anyhow, I'm a lovin' chick - no need to worry.

ooops wrong thread...
but yea... the point is still the same.

ok ppl jump on the love train

lol

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Okay, due to my crazy life, I've not been able to reply 'til now. But here, let me try to explain myself a little better to you. The abercrombie genius-boy here, he seems to throw things about, but cannot back them up with anything. You make a valid counter-arguement or two, so I'll explain in as much detail as I can (might be difficult, as it's been around five years since I've really been involved in this thirteen-year classical background that I mentioned).

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Originally posted by partyprincess Which post-modern classical works are you citing which do not rely on patterns, harmonic layers and melodic themes? These are present in all types of music, from classical to hip hop. Even in the present day minimalist movement, all these aspects of music exist.

With this I was referring to works like those of Debussey. Works with harmony that was more based on disharmony than anything else. Let me clarify my previous statement by adding a conditional of sorts to it. With some of the more post-modern classical, some of the 'c-list' material as the conservatory categorizes it, there is less of a dependancy on patterns and harmony and such.

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The repetitive melodic lines of progressive, which consist of only several notes, cannot be compared to the melodies found in classical music. I'm sure that any scholar will back me up on this. The rhythms, if you dictated them onto a sheet of paper, would be found to be extremely simple and once again REPETITIVE.

Classical is repetitive too. Not as repetitive mind you, but there are symbols and such for repetition, noteforms and melodies repeated, and so on. Not as repetitive, but repetitive enough. That said, a lot of prog melodies are incredibly base in nature, incredibly simple, BUT there are others, like those of Charlie May, that are quite a bit more intricate. And there are simple melodies in classical too. This is just a matter of subjectivity. On the whole, classical may be more intricate, but not in all cases. Not at all.

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Please reply Ryan, with an example from the progressive repertoire, a theme that is so beautifully used as in the Rococo Variations for Cello by Tschaikovsky. Thanks.

Charlie May does quite well. His remixes of JoshGabriel's "Wave3", and Bedrock's "Emerald", were quite good. Not saying it rivals 'the masters'. But there is genius in it. Not familiar with cello much @ all, background is in piano.

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P.S. Your lack of elementary theoretical knowledge leads me to question your alleged 13 years spent playing the bazooka. It is my opinion that the institution/s which you attended should refund you your hard earned money.

Again, it's been five years... Memory is not so clear anymore. HahHAhAhahAhaa! I'm sure you understand.

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P.S, I've been trying to respond to your post, but in doing so I realized that I didn't really understand what you were trying to say. Enlighten me please?

I'm trying to say that there are a LOT of similarities between prog and classical. Progressive is not quite as intricate or boundless as classical, but there are a LOT of similarities. That's all.

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Originally posted by partyprincess You can say the same thing about country music and funky house.

no no no

country is about the dog running away, the wife cheating on the guy, the guy taking revenge and the car not starting...

funky house is about...well...dunno

HAhAHHahahAhAHa! I agree...

Abercrombiepunk said something stoopid that I was retorting... Lemme find it.

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