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ok, what a pile of shit.

i just saw it, and yer, was not to happy about it.,

firstly, a jew wrote this film.

what the hell is with all the cross references to jewish beliefs and stuff, thats just stupid. no beyond stupid.

the architect? isnt that a mormon idea?

morpheous speech he gave to the people was absolutely gay, all that shit about not fearing anything.

that dance scence did not compliment the film in anyway, it made it rather dirty looking and detracted from the "slick" look of the rest of the film.

"some things change and some things don't" or whatever it was, about the most fucking stupid thing ive ever heard.

special effects didnt blow me away at all, i felt like was watching a computer game for some parts of it.

it did have a few good bits though, but yer, i was expecting a bit more, it wasnt even that deep, just borrowed ideas.

ill prlly get flamed for this, but oh well.

oh and one more thing, how come most ppl still alive in the real world or whatever are black? and the ones in power especially, haha, im not really racist, but still, no plur for this film from me.

finally got around to seeing it last night and i loved it...can't wait for revolutions so it can answer many unanswered questions.

Webbie, interesting ideas about Neo being software now... for that to be true of course, there would have to be multiple cascading matricies because software cannot take human form outside of a matrix. I noticed the monitors being from the first film too, I'm not sure if there's any depth to that note though, do you think? Regarding the ending, I'm almost convinced that this means there are cascading matricies. The only thing I have heard or considered to be a seperate possibilty was that the sentinals were stopped by an EMP blast, resulting in Neo's coma thereafter. But Trinity was standing very close to Neo and she didn't end up in a coma... I'm almost convinced Neo stopped the sentinals himself, and also that what they considered the real world in this film is actually another matrix; giving way to your idea about Neo now being in the form of a program.

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Originally posted by escee: quote: Shit slade said in his first post about todays cinema I totally agree with that. The last movie that did it well was fight club i think. Which was entertaining enough, had lots of punches, and also challenged peoples views on consumerism, capitalism and self worth. Then some movies just try too hard to be intellectual, Mullholland Drive is a perfect example, besides the lesbian scenes i didnt get much entertainment out of that. quote: Rems shit here I think the fact that neo and trinity were holding hands for the first half of the movie and making goo goo eyes at each other was obvious enough that they had a relationship. As well neos dreams and how much they affected him. The Line "Ive never letting go of this blah blah blah" sounded like it came out of a trashy danielle steel book or something.

Definitely agree with you and slade about that issue, and loved fight club; must see it again soon. Regarding the love issue in Reloaded between Neo and Trinity, after seeing it a second time I'm leaning towards your point of view on that one. Partially because I am not sure how the it's going to be explained how/why love plays such a major role in the endings of both films (when Neo is brought back in the first film, and Trinity in the second)... bit foggy to me at the moment. I think that these resurections are an example of choice, which itself (choice) creates the anomolies that make Neo the one. Perhaps with each successful and fate changing choice, these anomolies are refined again and again, allowing Neo to eventually discover an exit to the real world?

By the way slade (Teknoscaper), great posts about your view on the 'rave scene' and it's significance, I concur. As I've said above, werd @ your paragraph about today's cinema.

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Originally posted by Rememberence_ Webbie, interesting ideas about Neo being software now... for that to be true of course, there would have to be multiple cascading matricies because software cannot take human form outside of a matrix. I noticed the monitors being from the first film too, I'm not sure if there's any depth to that note though, do you think? Regarding the ending, I'm almost convinced that this means there are cascading matricies. The only thing I have heard or considered to be a seperate possibilty was that the sentinals were stopped by an EMP blast, resulting in Neo's coma thereafter. But Trinity was standing very close to Neo and she didn't end up in a coma... I'm almost convinced Neo stopped the sentinals himself, and also that what they considered the real world in this film is actually another matrix; giving way to your idea about Neo now being in the form of a program.

Yeah but done forget, rem that agent smith also got out into a human form which give me the idea that perhaps neo was born into the matrix like most people were, but he was created specifically by the architect for the purpose to be "the one" as each matrix had to be created with the one inside it. so maybe perhaps neo was started as a program in the matrix and was then copied agent smith-style into a baby, so that once he was grown up with the ability to leave the matrix as planned into a human body.

Another idea is that perhaps being some form of messiah, neo is really another form of christ, both in the matrix and out of the matrix, as we saw when he destroyed the sentinals heading his way toward the end of the film. i for one havent worked out how that may have happened from an outside source, considering that he fainted after it happened, so that gives the possibility of being "the one" outside of the matrix or the possibility of cascading matrixes, which is far more likely imo, i mean what otherwise would the robots have as a backup in case "the one" DID shut down the matrix while everyone was in it. because the machines wouldnt otherwise be able to have full control of the world.

just a few points for you to think about from my wild imagination

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Originally posted by -=M=- Yeah but done forget, rem that agent smith also got out into a human form which give me the idea that perhaps neo was born into the matrix like most people were, but he was created specifically by the architect for the purpose to be "the one" as each matrix had to be created with the one inside it. so maybe perhaps neo was started as a program in the matrix and was then copied agent smith-style into a baby, so that once he was grown up with the ability to leave the matrix as planned into a human body.

I think you're drawing conclusions from false evidence. My post was speculation on the assumption that cascading matricies do in fact exist. Therefore Agent Smith did not take on human form in the real world because the world that Zion existed in would have just been another matrix. As for your other ideas, food for thought indeed.

Cheers

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Originally posted by webmeister Neo is no longer a human, but a program inside the Matrix, like the Architect, like the Oracle, Seraph, the new Agent Smith etc. This transition probably occured at the end of the first film when Neo was killed by Agent Smith

The scene after the oracle where Neo and Smith are talking to each other and smith explains how he became free. He said something along the lines of

"When you jumped into me a part of you rubbed off into a part off me, and vice versa"

Or something very similar, so yes thats possibly what happened.

Edit: I still think he is mostly human as agent smith is still mostly program.

i saw it last night... Awesome.. I loved it.

I know a lot of people were let down by this film, but in my opinion, as with any trilogy - the second part is often the one that is least favoured as it is basically a connecting chapter and nothing too new, only more information is provided for the audience in anticipation for the final outcome. However, keeping that in mind, more of the story was unfolded and left me more to play with in my mind when trying to figure out what number 3 may hold about each character, and the notion of the matrix as a whole. I was very happy to see it, and besides the visual relief that the directors provided, it stuck very well to the matrix theme and that is what we all love (well I do anyways)... Revolution should be f**in wicked!!

i cant beleive some of you are writing things about the unoriginality of this movie.. i dont know about you but i aint seen another movie that explains the world is meerly a computer program and that we arent really here doign what we're doing.. oh wait, rugrats in paris had the same storyline??

this is probably one of the best series movies ive ever seen, part 1 and 2 perfectly fit the bill as the matrix 1 gave us a breif introduction to the world of the matrix, and then in part 2 we already knew what we were in for, and moving along in the time line with the characters are thrown into the beginning of this war between the machines.

ive read soem funny comments about how its a 'typical sequel' and you could 'expect things happening'.. uhmm.. yeah i could really expect that the architect (aka a software programmer), found in loop holes and back doors (reference to programming again), would explain the creation of the world, and of neo, and of all the other things about who was actually software put into the matrix and who wasnt.. it even went even more in depth about the actual matrix than the first one

but yeah you guys are right.. its totally unoriginal and predictable.

pfft.
id like to see someone from here come up with a better storyline, let alone cinematic effects and fight scenes.

Don't know about you guys, but M:R scored huge amounts of geekpoints for using an actual hack. Only spoiled by the "Access Granted" thing.

Seeing nmap on the big screen: priceless!

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Originally posted by Rememberence_ I think you're drawing conclusions from false evidence. My post was speculation on the assumption that cascading matricies do in fact exist. Therefore Agent Smith did not take on human form in the real world because the world that Zion existed in would have just been another matrix. As for your other ideas, food for thought indeed. Cheers

ahhhhhhhhhhh now i seee.... youre right, youre right

MY IMAGINATION IS GOING NUTS NOW

good point tho

Cheers, Big Ears

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Originally posted by gilmista the second part is often the one that is least favoured

Godfather part 2?

Im pretty sure, well i hope, that everyone feels 3 is the worst in that trilogy.

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Originally posted by escee Godfather part 2? Im pretty sure, well i hope, that everyone feels 3 is the worst in that trilogy.

HELL YES!!!!

Back on topic though, if the whole "cascading matricies" thing is true, then even the whole man vs machines thing is just bullshit! Way to spin your imagination out! But how would they escape from this second, backup Matrix?

Rem, I don't think there's really any significance in seeing the Architect's monitors in Matrix 1, its just something cool to note And yeah bragi, that whole nmap thing totally spun me out!! Trinity is officially a hacking god! For those who came in late, that bit where she's hacking the computers, she actually uses a real hack. Check this out for a bit more depth.

Regarding the whole Neo vs the Sentinels thing, Neo was much closer than Trinity to the Sentinel when it got zapped -- I think he got hit by some static eletricity or something...

Who knows, I'm sure all our questions and thoughts will be answered in six months time Those Wachowski brothers have some damn good explaining to do

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Originally posted by webmeister HELL YES!!!! Back on topic though, if the whole "cascading matricies" thing is true, then even the whole man vs machines thing is just bullshit! Way to spin your imagination out! But how would they escape from this second, backup Matrix? Rem, I don't think there's really any significance in seeing the Architect's monitors in Matrix 1, its just something cool to note And yeah bragi, that whole nmap thing totally spun me out!! Trinity is officially a hacking god! For those who came in late, that bit where she's hacking the computers, she actually uses a real hack. Check this out for a bit more depth. Regarding the whole Neo vs the Sentinels thing, Neo was much closer than Trinity to the Sentinel when it got zapped -- I think he got hit by some static eletricity or something... Who knows, I'm sure all our questions and thoughts will be answered in six months time Those Wachowski brothers have some damn good explaining to do

lmao @ static electricity

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Originally posted by webmeister HELL YES!!!! Back on topic though, if the whole "cascading matricies" thing is true, then even the whole man vs machines thing is just bullshit! Way to spin your imagination out! But how would they escape from this second, backup Matrix?

heh, maybe they cant?

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what dave b said

I agree with your points except that the idea (to an extent) has been brought up before.

A few movies that come to mind are "The 13th Floor" and "Vanilla Sky".

Not the same at all, but same broad concept.

Still, loved it!













except that stupid fucking 10 min dance scene, 2-4 mins mmaaybbe, but it was tooo long.

If I thought as much as some of you ppl my brain would hurt so much!

I just enjoyed the movie - no expectations - it was awesome, and I loved the big rave scene, that music was really good!

I loved the car chase too.

i think vanilla sky was another movie that tried too hard.

I thought Vanilla sky was good value....different....For some reason I wasn't too impressed by the sequel of Matrix....I always get tired of movies surrounded by all the hype and when I see the movie I either a) get disappointed b) find that the previews showed all exciting bits c)i can't take no more of the hype/movie and get over it.....i dunno....I hate movies that are ramped up...I heard from a friend that he watched it twice as he had the same impression as I had and loved it....I may need to go watch it again to get into it i guess....loved the first one though!

whats wrong with a bit of love?
and some sex scenes too hehe

and about being the middle movie, 'the empire strikes back' is regarded by many to be the best film in that trilogy. so its not crap by default.

Also I think we're doing it a slight mis-service by judging it as an individual film, as Reloaded and Revolutions were basically conceived as the same movie. So really we've only seen half of part 2, if you catch my drift

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Originally posted by webmeister Also I think we're doing it a slight mis-service by judging it as an individual film, as Reloaded and Revolutions were basically conceived as the same movie. So really we've only seen half of part 2, if you catch my drift

.... i THINK i got it, i THINK i got it...

nup, its gone

They shouldnt have released it like that then if they dont want it judged by its self. Sure it doesnt make sense to release them on the same day, but, they shouldnt have made the film like they did if they didnt want it judged in that way. Just my opinion.

(I have made more posts in this thread than in the entire mmmm records thread, i must like arguing more than records, or one is cheaper than the other )

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Originally posted by -=M=- .... i THINK i got it, i THINK i got it... nup, its gone

yup. i heard that too. martix was a stand alone movie but reloaded and revolutions are not.

did anyone hate the rave scene in reloaded? i thought it was a waste of film...

I saw it last week. I thought it was a great movie but i think it tried to explain too much about everything so you really had to focus upon what was being said.

Some things i dont understand:

1. If neo can stop bullets and go inside people then why does he even have to fight anyone at any point in the movie. He shouldnt need to fight anyone.

2. Where were the awsome 'im moving so fast you cant see my limbs' moves. All the fight scenes looked like they could be done by a well trained martial artist. Nothing special there.

Great action scenes etc, but i dont think people will really understand what the hell is going on until November

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