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Posted by occrider on Jun-08-2003 17:45:

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Originally posted by ahlamalek
oh yeah? we would still have some guy named Adolf Hitler ruling in europe or maybe even slavery in the US don't say things without thinking.

Don't say things without reading . Here's what I said:

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perhaps they care not for how they are governed so long as they are free to practice their beliefs and live their lives as they so choose.

Now do you think we would all be free to live as we so choose under Hitler or as a slave?

Posted by TranceGiant on Jun-08-2003 17:56:

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Originally posted by Mental Exodus
hmmmm... i think my message was mistaken.
I am not anti-emetic in any way what i was trying to say was simply that Israel isn�t innocent by far and shouldn�t be portrayed as such. As for Jews/Israel running the world i didn�t say that they did. They of course do not. However they do hold power and my examination of that power and its implementation in the world deserves a good look like any other gov. That isn�t anti Jewish in any way. ITS DEMOCRATIC. And by the way the activities I speak of are real and can be quoted in many papers and other media sources. They are not conspiracies in any way.
www.whatreallyhappend.com < is clearly a conspiracy. My post looking at the current actions of the Israel gov is not.
I still find it funny that anyone who questions anything is anti jewsish/american/human ect. lol

What the hell are u talking about. Your "points" are supposed to portray Israel as a country which steals, blackmails, brainwashes and threats everyone. Tell me this isn't driven by "anti.." sentiments.
What you're listing is a bunch of prejudices and myths, exaggerated facts and cliches. This is no basis for a constructive discussion whatsoever.

Posted by Mental Exodus on Jun-08-2003 18:14:

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Originally posted by TranceGiant
What the hell are u talking about. Your "points" are supposed to portray Israel as a country which steals, blackmails, brainwashes and threats everyone.

LOL, I made the points so i think id know what they were supposed to portray. Let me asure u im not racist in any way. The points arent ment to be racist. Again they are ment to question the acts of the Israeli governent.

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Tell me this isn't driven by "anti.." sentiments.

ok it isn't driven by "anti.." sentiments

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What you're listing is a bunch of prejudices and myths, exaggerated facts and cliches. This is no basis for a constructive discussion whatsoever.

Ok it looks like ill have to prove u wrong on this in order to prove that it is a basis for a "constructive discussion". Il be back with some proof.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jun-08-2003 20:03:

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Originally posted by Mental Exodus
LOL, I made the points so i think id know what they were supposed to portray. Let me asure u im not racist in any way. The points arent ment to be racist. Again they are ment to question the acts of the Israeli governent.

ok it isn't driven by "anti.." sentiments

Ok it looks like ill have to prove u wrong on this in order to prove that it is a basis for a "constructive discussion". Il be back with some proof.

Im sick of that exploitative word "anti-semetic"

Whenever someone discusses the shit Israel has caused ..... boo hoo "youre antisemetic"

Im sure if a German was to argue against Israels death-capade "neo-nazi" would sure stir in someone like TranceGiant's ignorant head.

Posted by occrider on Jun-09-2003 00:17:

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
Im sick of that exploitative word "anti-semetic"

Whenever someone discusses the shit Israel has caused ..... boo hoo "youre antisemetic"

Im sure if a German was to argue against Israels death-capade "neo-nazi" would sure stir in someone like TranceGiant's ignorant head.

It's not anti-semetic to critisize Israel, however it is either anti-semetic (or overly conspiracy theorist) to believe in Jewish conspiracies that they have tentacles everywhere and are controlling everything.

Posted by Psionic on Jun-09-2003 00:18:

Posted by TranceGiant on Jun-09-2003 00:34:

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Originally posted by occrider
It's not anti-semetic to critisize Israel, however it is either anti-semetic (or overly conspiracy theorist) to believe in Jewish conspiracies that they have tentacles everywhere and are controlling everything.

that was my point. I never said HE was antisemitc, I just wanted him to be more careful with his "arguments" which are clearly based on old cliches concerning the Jewish world rule. I dont blame him too much, cause if u dont know about the history of those prejudices, or the way they reemerge in todays "criticizm against israel", you might easily use them without being aware of their dangerous potential.
end of story.

Posted by davinox on Jun-09-2003 23:53:

i think the israelis need to just quit being pussies and strap up to some TNT and...

KABOOOM!

because that's how you get attention and your way in world affairs, am i right?

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seriously, the PLO needed to be whiped out a long time ago. they should be kissing Sharon's ass for saving them. israel is not a perfect nation, but it is not lead by a bunch of power-hungry thugs.

Palestinians don't even exist, its not like the israelis won't let them live with them. the forces that be in palestine don't want ANY Israeli to live.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jun-10-2003 07:39:

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Originally posted by davinox
Palestinians don't even exist,

Yes...all 3,000,000 of them are a waste of space and shouldnt exist

grow the fuck up and stop spewing out bullshit. ITs this attitude that has made the situation that exists in the middle east.

Posted by Luke Terry on Jun-10-2003 10:06:

what i don't understand is a country technically at war in their own country (israel) has cable and i have 56k

Posted by tranceaholic on Jun-10-2003 15:54:

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Originally posted by davinox
i think the israelis need to just quit being pussies and strap up to some TNT and...

KABOOOM!

because that's how you get attention and your way in world affairs, am i right?

--

seriously, the PLO needed to be whiped out a long time ago. they should be kissing Sharon's ass for saving them. israel is not a perfect nation, but it is not lead by a bunch of power-hungry thugs.

Palestinians don't even exist, its not like the israelis won't let them live with them. the forces that be in palestine don't want ANY Israeli to live.

ladies and gentleman...*drumroll*...i would like to present to u the DUMBASS post of the week..congrats davinox..u win this smiley..

Posted by occrider on Jun-10-2003 16:01:

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Originally posted by tranceaholic
ladies and gentleman...*drumroll*...i would like to present to u the DUMBASS post of the week..congrats davinox..u win this smiley..

I dunno ... the kaboom part was very articulate

Posted by melech_mike on Jun-10-2003 16:18:

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Originally posted by occrider
I dunno ... the kaboom part was very articulate

Very true.... i smell an articulate award coming up...

This guy is good... 2 awards - one post!

Posted by Xavier on Jun-11-2003 12:02:

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
First off, Israel is a country, not a city. Second, you must not be Chrisitian which is weird considereing you're from Austria.
Jerusalem is the holiest city in the WORLD for Christians. Our savior was born there and died not too far away from there. Obviously, you have undersestimated the importance of this city to Christians.

Jesus was born in a stable in Bethlehem. But he died near Jerusalem.

Posted by Luke Terry on Jun-11-2003 14:24:

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Originally posted by Xavier
Jesus was born in a stable in Bethlehem. But he died near Jerusalem.

so the story says...

Posted by TranceGiant on Jun-11-2003 20:47:

I never doubted that. I'm not Christian by the way. I'm an Israeli who lives in Austria for 12 years.
I still don't see how religious importance is relevant to the political status of a city.

Posted by Revolution on Jun-11-2003 20:50:

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Originally posted by Xavier
Jesus was born in a stable in Bethlehem. But he died near Jerusalem.

Yeah, that's right! I knew that...

Project T: You know what happens to blasphemers?

Posted by intrinsic on Jun-12-2003 20:52:

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Originally posted by occrider
I dunno ... the kaboom part was very articulate

articulate and highly unexpected.

Posted by Viber on Jun-16-2003 14:44:

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Originally posted by Mental Exodus
This is one of the worst threds ive ever seen.

Why not talk about
Israels large nuke program
Israels spy networks in the US
Israels many loans from the US which havent been payed off.
Israels place in the western media and is portrayal of jews and arabs.
Israels blackmail of officals world wide.
Israels CONTROL OVER SOME LARGE U.S. TELECOMUNICATIONS NETWORKS

this is all bullshit "israels large nuke program" ' every country have a "program" "israels spy networks in the us - bullshit the networks works with the CIA and other organizations (if you need a proof you can check who helped the us with catching carlos the terorist in the 80's) in the us
"Israels many loans from the US which havent been payed off - not a lot of countries pay off loans for us
"Israels blackmail of officals world wide" '""Israels CONTROL OVER SOME LARGE U.S. TELECOMUNICATIONS NETWORKS"- i think i saw this very line on the nazional- party sheet on history all people are even in the us its not our fault we know how to succeed in life

Im not here to fight i just dont like people say bullshit about jaws like they control the world and that kind of stuff

Posted by DaveSZ on Jun-16-2003 15:09:

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Originally posted by Viber

Im not here to fight i just dont like people say bullshit about jaws like they control the world and that kind of stuff

"Duh dun duh dun duh dun duh dun......."

Posted by TranceGiant on Jun-16-2003 15:11:

Posted by Wurm on Jun-16-2003 16:28:

Sounds like some people are close to mentioning ZOG as a reality in this thread.

Valid, non-rhetorical question about the PNA: Is it too much to expect a proto-nation that sees itself in crisis to have a moderate voice representing them?

What happens when that moderate voice (Abbas) says he will not curb extremists by force? (Well, we know what happens: Apache choppers launch missiles at Hamas leaders.)

Is it appropriate to use analogy to attempt to dissect some parts of the conflict? Let's say, if Mexico were failing to hand over suspected terrorists to the U.S.A? What would be an appropriate reaction?

Posted by occrider on Jun-16-2003 17:15:

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Originally posted by Wurm
Is it appropriate to use analogy to attempt to dissect some parts of the conflict? Let's say, if Mexico were failing to hand over suspected terrorists to the U.S.A? What would be an appropriate reaction?

That's an innaccurate analogy. If a terrorist group were operating out of Mexico and carrying out attacks against US civilians in Texas and the Mexican government refused to use force to reign them in, then what would be the appropriate reaction? Should we all just scratch our heads and say c'est la vie?

Posted by DR86 on Jun-16-2003 18:36:

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Originally posted by occrider
That's an innaccurate analogy. If a terrorist group were operating out of Mexico and carrying out attacks against US civilians in Texas and the Mexican government refused to use force to reign them in, then what would be the appropriate reaction? Should we all just scratch our heads and say c'est la vie?

Knowing the U.S., maybe a couple of random bombings, a trade embargo, a botched operation by the CIA involving some Mexican defectors....you know, the usual!

Posted by Psionic on Jun-16-2003 18:38:

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
Knowing the U.S., maybe a couple of random bombings, a trade embargo, a botched operation by the CIA involving some Mexican defectors....you know, the usual!

Don't forget lying to the public!

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