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Posted by Paulie on Jun-10-2003 11:02:

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Originally posted by Fiction
Finally someone that agrees with me, the track is shite, the chick seriously sounds like she's in pain or sick....

ahahah a man with taste

Posted by Pointy on Jun-10-2003 12:01:

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Originally posted by -=M=-
wow, he tells me my opinion is wrong when i say everyone has their different opinions... go figure

Yea but yours is fucking stupid and ill-founded. Tell me M, what is your favourite trance track ever?! Say tomorrow, Nova plays ur trance tune ever at 1pm, by your theory, this trance song has gone from being the best thing ever to a cheesey piece of codshit.

^ THAT ^ is why your opinion is wrong.

Posted by narcism on Jun-10-2003 12:52:

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Originally posted by Euphorica@AUS
cheese = southern sun vocals on that = Horrendous

I agree, dont like this track at all.... but i dont think it falls into the cheese catagory... like u cant place the style of music next to scooter or the others.

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Yea but yours is fucking stupid and ill-founded. Tell me M, what is your favourite trance track ever?! Say tomorrow, Nova plays ur trance tune ever at 1pm, by your theory, this trance song has gone from being the best thing ever to a cheesey piece of codshit.

^ THAT ^ is why your opinion is wrong.

Word

Posted by -=M=- on Jun-10-2003 13:04:

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Originally posted by Pointy
Yea but yours is fucking stupid and ill-founded. Tell me M, what is your favourite trance track ever?! Say tomorrow, Nova plays ur trance tune ever at 1pm, by your theory, this trance song has gone from being the best thing ever to a cheesey piece of codshit.

^ THAT ^ is why your opinion is wrong.

i have NEVER heard nova play cj bolland - the prophet, or ayumi hamaskaki - proglogue (hybrid mix) or ANYTHING hybrid EVER. the last "trance" i ever heard on Nova was DJ Sammy which was while i was a delivery boy and had to spend lots of time in the car... i gave nova several chances since then to stop being irritating, and havent heard a good song on nova since

when was YOUR favourite track played on Nova, Pointy?

i mean ffs, sif have a personal dig at someone for saying their likes/dislikes of music and radio stations

have i EVER tried to insult someone on this forum personally?

Posted by webmeister on Jun-10-2003 13:13:

Relax people......

Posted by Paulie on Jun-10-2003 13:19:

LoL

In all honesty i listen to radio a lot cause of work and can say that on sat nites if working syn fm after 10 is go hard euphoric trance

As for weekdays nothing beats love songs and dedications. I luv it when they play the jovi tracks or SHania and her ballads

OMG I DIE!!!!!!!

Posted by escee on Jun-10-2003 13:24:

Shania > Venus but paulie

Posted by narcism on Jun-10-2003 13:25:

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Originally posted by Euphorica@AUS

In all honesty i listen to radio a lot cause of work and can say that on sat nites if working syn fm after 10 is go hard euphoric trance

Whatever happened to us working on Syn fm??
Some pretty good tunes are played but matt (10pm til 12) plays a little to ARD for my liking... altho its good to bop away to

Posted by Ves on Jun-10-2003 13:30:

Cheesy tracks are characterised by their incredibly sweet vocals(almost always fluffy sounding women), the silly sounding lyrics, the over the top saccharine synths and the way in which they just sound pathetic overall! (eg. trance versions of bad 80s pop)
Although 'cheese' is not just restricted to over the top sweetness: it can be used to include tracks that simply sound cheap (eg. that stupid 'blow my whistle bitch!...' song)...
Basically I use the term 'cheese' to describe a song I don't like. It's subjective; I'm sure what I find cheese other people find fantastic.

And just because a song is played on the radio doesn�t solely make it cheese. There are some good tracks played on the radio...as well as a bunch of shite ones. Cheesy music is doing as all a favour anyway. I don't think it's particularly 'bad', or it should be destroyed or anything like that. Cheese enhances the good stuff; it makes the good tracks seem so much better. And to be honest, it's fun to mock cheesy tracks. And occasionally it's fun to even listen to cheesy tracks- y'know, just for kicks. It can be a bit of a novelty at times, and sometimes a secret guilty pleasure...

Posted by JayKuE on Jun-11-2003 00:42:

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Originally posted by -=M=-
wow, he tells me my opinion is wrong when i say everyone has their different opinions... go figure

mmm. saltwater = cheese is a pretty extreme statement. extremely espesh from somebody who only recently got into trance would i be safe to say?

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Originally posted by Euphorica@AUS
As for weekdays nothing beats love songs and dedications. I luv it when they play the jovi tracks or SHania and her ballads

hahahaha. isnt that on TT? that guy has the fuckin gayest voice. he calls himself the lovegod or something? *puke*

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Originally posted by Ves
And occasionally it's fun to even listen to cheesy tracks- y'know, just for kicks. It can be a bit of a novelty at times, and sometimes a secret guilty pleasure...

secret confessions coming out. hehe, but nah, i luv mockin cheesy tunes on the dancefloor!

Posted by Renegade on Jun-11-2003 01:19:

Let's remember there's a difference between something being cheesy and something being commercial. If it's cheesy it sounds rank and tacky. If it's commercial it means it's been hyped up and exposed to a large percentage of the population via (does Dr. Evil's quoting fingers thing) "wireless radio". They usually go hand in hand because, for some reason, the public likes music that sounds crass, simple and just generally shithouse, but it's possible for a track to be cheesy without being particularly commercial and vice-versa.

Therefore:

Chicane - Saltwater = Commercial but not cheesy.
Rank 1 - Airwave = Cheesy but not commercial.

Thoughts?

Posted by christos on Jun-11-2003 01:41:

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Let's remember there's a difference between something being cheesy and something being commercial. If it's cheesy it sounds rank and tacky. If it's commercial it means it's been hyped up and exposed to a large percentage of the population via (does Dr. Evil's quoting fingers thing) "wireless radio". They usually go hand in hand because, for some reason, the public likes music that sounds crass, simple and just generally shithouse, but it's possible for a track to be cheesy without being particularly commercial and vice-versa.

Therefore:

Chicane - Saltwater = Commercial but not cheesy.
Rank 1 - Airwave = Cheesy but not commercial.

Thoughts?

IT'S ALL TRANCE TO ME!!!

Posted by Pointy on Jun-11-2003 03:13:

quote:
Originally posted by -=M=-
i have NEVER heard nova play cj bolland - the prophet, or ayumi hamaskaki - proglogue (hybrid mix) or ANYTHING hybrid EVER. the last "trance" i ever heard on Nova was DJ Sammy which was while i was a delivery boy and had to spend lots of time in the car... i gave nova several chances since then to stop being irritating, and havent heard a good song on nova since

when was YOUR favourite track played on Nova, Pointy?

i mean ffs, sif have a personal dig at someone for saying their likes/dislikes of music and radio stations

have i EVER tried to insult someone on this forum personally?

Dude...you have totally missed the point of the scenario i just laid out. Therefore, i'll re say it - Remember, this is a scenario. Nick, I am the midday DJ on Nova 100.3 in Melbourne. I wanna be a cool cat, so i pull out a copy of *drumroll* Ayumi Hamaskaki - Proglogue (Hybrid mix)!!! OMG, thats your favourite song ever!! IT'S NEVER GONNA BE CHEESE PROCLAIMS M!! But wait! The clock strikes 1 in the afternoon, i put the song on for all of Melbourne to hear. Going by ur theory, ayumi hamaskaki - proglogue (hybrid mix) is now cheese, no?

Your favourite tune is now cheese cos it's been played on midday radio. Now all the little 13 year old sluts who buy boost n viva religiously are rushing out in gangs to buy copies of this tune. They get Ayumi Hakasaki down for a 10 minute set at the next Rumba. A radio mix is released and it appears of every Ministry of Sound, Wild and Skitz Mix CDs for the next 9 months. But wait...i thought this was ur favourite tune ever? It still isn't cheesey i hope?

Posted by escee on Jun-11-2003 03:17:

Posted by -=M=- on Jun-11-2003 12:42:

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Originally posted by Pointy
Dude...you have totally missed the point of the scenario i just laid out. Therefore, i'll re say it - Remember, this is a scenario. Nick, I am the midday DJ on Nova 100.3 in Melbourne. I wanna be a cool cat, so i pull out a copy of *drumroll* Ayumi Hamaskaki - Proglogue (Hybrid mix)!!! OMG, thats your favourite song ever!! IT'S NEVER GONNA BE CHEESE PROCLAIMS M!! But wait! The clock strikes 1 in the afternoon, i put the song on for all of Melbourne to hear. Going by ur theory, ayumi hamaskaki - proglogue (hybrid mix) is now cheese, no?

Your favourite tune is now cheese cos it's been played on midday radio. Now all the little 13 year old sluts who buy boost n viva religiously are rushing out in gangs to buy copies of this tune. They get Ayumi Hakasaki down for a 10 minute set at the next Rumba. A radio mix is released and it appears of every Ministry of Sound, Wild and Skitz Mix CDs for the next 9 months. But wait...i thought this was ur favourite tune ever? It still isn't cheesey i hope?

true, very true

however i think its safe to say that nova will never play it at 1pm unless one of you guys are there... but if that scenario does happen, and Ayumi becomes demanded so often on the hour every hour as nova seems to have a policy for, then i will probably hear it over

and over

and over

and over again

and as Ves puts it "Cheese is just a track i dont like" <- (not an exact quote), i would eventually start to get annoyed by it from hearing it so often and (god forbid) find it cheesy

but still, i respect you are pretty well right... but u gotta admit that hearing the same track over and over again sounds good at the start, but u CAN have too much of a good thing.... like porn

Posted by jizza on Jun-11-2003 14:02:

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Originally posted by -=M=-
and as Ves puts it "Cheese is just a track i dont like" <- (not an exact quote)

errr... i dont think ves put it that way at all.

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but u CAN have too much of a good thing.... like porn

i have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by Hybrid Junkie on Jun-11-2003 14:18:

haha pointy they wouldn't release a radio edit, just all the original J-Pop styled ones, then there'd be an epidemic of instead of mongs requesting "the munchkin song" (scooter) it would be idiots requesting the "funny asian one".

run for your lives

Posted by -=M=- on Jun-12-2003 03:57:

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie
haha pointy they wouldn't release a radio edit, just all the original J-Pop styled ones, then there'd be an epidemic of instead of mongs requesting "the munchkin song" (scooter) it would be idiots requesting the "funny asian one".

run for your lives

u gotta love the munchkin song

"yes he's arnold, arnold, arnold rim-mer,
dashing, handsome somewhat slim-mer,
and if you play your cards right
then he might just cooome round for din-ner"

Posted by Tak on Jun-13-2003 06:13:

I still find that the overall popularity of a song does change it's feel. For instance Tomcraft - Loneliness, I first heard it at the end of last year, thought it was a good song, and let it be. Awhile later i saw it in the shops and decided to purchaise a copy and it fit well in my sets as a transition track between prog and trance. After another month i noticed it was no 1 in the UK charts and everytime i played it everyone recognised it as a charttopper and bagged me cause I usually bag chart trance (Ian Van Dahl, Darude, that I died in your arms tonight song etc.). But I still think it's a good song.

I still think cheese is just a term used by one genre loving society to bag another more commercial genre of electronic music. To prog lovers all trance is cheese. To "underground" trance lovers simple hard trance is cheese. Personally I love a good sprinkle of cheddar on any high energy set (eg Benico, CJ Stone, Svenson & Gielen etc.).

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