In loving memory... I present to you, Israel!

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Posted by matty on Jun-20-2003 19:37:

is israel the US's bitch or the other way around?? just a though. Actually probably about 1/2 of the US government is jewish, i have the names and positions somewhere, if anyone wants them i can post them. Hence maybe the love relationship between the two countries. They're eachothers bitches. And about the fact that the Israeli government would be less aggresive if there werent so many terrorist attacks.....hahahaha...you got to be kidding me.....

Posted by joeh on Jun-20-2003 20:03:

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Originally posted by Viber
can you give quotes that say he is a racist and you are not?

I really cant be arsed to search through the hundreds of threads that he's created, but if you look back at them yourself, I am sure you will find several anti-arab posts/remarks.

As for me, I do not believe I have ever made a racist remark in my life, or even laughed at a racist joke, it is offensive that anyone would suggest that i have.

An anti-Israel view is not racist, as its a hate for the government etc. rather than the people.
People who are anti-US on this board are never accused of racism now, are they? So don't be silly enough to to suggest that your great religion would be tied in to the goverment of just one country.

quote:
Originally posted by Viber
and can you give some other TA's who are from israel and on the right wing and you have not flammed?

Well I don't know the names, but I dont believe I have ever flamed any Israeli TA other than Meelech_Mike. The only pro israeli TA other than him who's name comes to mind would be Izzy - but im sure if you search back through the archives in here you will find many dozens of Israeli TA's, none of which I have flamed.

quote:
Originally posted by Viber
proove me this and you are an innocente man

Am i innocent then?

Posted by Psionic on Jun-20-2003 20:20:

quote:
Originally posted by che
is israel the US's bitch or the other way around?? just a though. Actually probably about 1/2 of the US government is jewish, i have the names and positions somewhere, if anyone wants them i can post them. Hence maybe the love relationship between the two countries. They're eachothers bitches. And about the fact that the Israeli government would be less aggresive if there werent so many terrorist attacks.....hahahaha...you got to be kidding me.....

Since when has this become a "who's bitch is who" discussion? It's inaccurate to say that 1/2 the U.S. government is Jewish since the only prominent figures are Ari Fleischer, who's resigning this summer, and Wolfowitz, who nobody listens to. About Israel's aggression due to terrorist attacks, Israel is not seeking to cause harm to the Palestinians. They, like the U.S., want to rid the area of terror. Unfortunately, with modern weapons, innocent civilians get in the way, hence why we hear about civilians being caught in the crossfire. IF there was no Hamas or any other terror in Israel, I doubt that Israeli forces would launch attacks in the West Bank and Gaza.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jun-20-2003 20:24:

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Originally posted by Galapidate
Since when has this become a "who's bitch is who" discussion? It's inaccurate to say that 1/2 the U.S. government is Jewish since the only prominent figures are Ari Fleischer, who's resigning this summer, and Wolfowitz, who nobody listens to. About Israel's aggression due to terrorist attacks, Israel is not seeking to cause harm to the Palestinians. They, like the U.S., want to rid the area of terror. Unfortunately, with modern weapons, innocent civilians get in the way, hence why we hear about civilians being caught in the crossfire. IF there was no Hamas or any other terror in Israel, I doubt that Israeli forces would launch attacks in the West Bank and Gaza.

Would you also doubt that they would occupy their land?

Posted by Psionic on Jun-20-2003 20:30:

Yes, I would, because there would be no need for invasion of their land if there is peace in the region. This peace, however, is disrupted by Hamas. Hamas has announced that there will be no cease-fire, while Israelis and Palestinians who do not condone Hamas' actions want to achieve peace in the region. Can't you see that Hamas is preventing this from happening?

Posted by Cyrus King on Jun-20-2003 20:31:

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Originally posted by Galapidate
Yes, I would, because there would be no need for invasion of their land if there is peace in the region. This peace, however, is disrupted by Hamas. Hamas has announced that there will be no cease-fire, while Israelis and Palestinians who do not condone Hamas' actions want to achieve peace in the region. Can't you see that Hamas is preventing this from happening?

I mean settlement building for those jews who truly beleive that the land in which palestinians live on is rightfully theirs.

Posted by Psionic on Jun-20-2003 20:35:

But lots of legal Jewish settlements are being taken down by the Israeli government in return for ceasing of attacks. I'm sure Israel would give up it's settlements for that.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jun-20-2003 20:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Galapidate
But lots of legal Jewish settlements are being taken down by the Israeli government in return for ceasing of attacks. I'm sure Israel would give up it's settlements for that.

only time will tell

Posted by DR86 on Jun-20-2003 20:45:

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
only time will tell

How can you be so sure that the Palestinians will cease the attacks? Can time tell us that too? I think the only thing that time will reveal is the massive bodycount that is going to result from this entire situation.
It is also my belief that the only way this will be settled would be to completely disband the current political wing of the PLO. Obviously, Abbas is weak and does not have a definitive say in Palestinian matters. The Palestinain people do not have a strong, prominent voice. They're lives are being dicatated to them by radical, fundamentalist assholes. The only way that this "situation" will come to an end is when I RULE THE EARTH!!

Posted by melech_mike on Jun-20-2003 20:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
I mean settlement building for those jews who truly beleive that the land in which palestinians live on is rightfully theirs.

It's not a question of whether or not it's their land... IT IS!
It's a question of whether or not they will give up their lands for peace -- a "peace" that has once and again proven itself to be the shitty end of the stick for the Israelis.

Posted by Cyrus King on Jun-20-2003 20:48:

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Originally posted by melech_mike
It's not a question of whether or not it's their land... IT IS!
It's a question of whether or not they will give up their lands for peace -- a "peace" that has once and again proven itself to be the shitty end of the stick for the Israelis.

ITS NOT THEIR LAND... THEY STOLE IT!!!!!

If you are talking about Jewish land with respect to ancient historical or biblical borders.... you need to grow up

Posted by Psionic on Jun-20-2003 20:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
ITS NOT THEIR LAND... THEY STOLE IT!!!!!

If you are talking about Jewish land with respect to ancient historical or biblical borders.... you need to grow up

I can tell you are very informed with the OLD Testament. You see, the NEW Testament doesn't explain how the Jews originally lived there, but as the result of oppression from certain events in history, such as Diaspora, it removed the Jews from what we call the land that God granted us. As for growing up, give it a shot yourself! Who knows? You may even like it!

Posted by Cyrus King on Jun-20-2003 20:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Galapidate
I can tell you are very informed with the OLD Testament. You see, the NEW Testament doesn't explain how the Jews originally lived there, but as the result of oppression from certain events in history, such as Diaspora, it removed the Jews from what we call the land that God granted us. As for growing up, give it a shot yourself! Who knows? You may even like it!

Ummm.....i am looking at the Issue at hand unlike you who is bringing religious justification into a matter that deals with politcal boundaries in which people like you like to validate biblically.

Posted by melech_mike on Jun-20-2003 20:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
ITS NOT THEIR LAND... THEY STOLE IT!!!!!

If you are talking about Jewish land with respect to ancient historical or biblical borders.... you need to grow up

Well i guess i'm all grown up... because i'm not even going to go into biblical claims to the land.
I'm talking legal claims and moral claims!
Some of what i'm talking about has a lot to do with us beating the shit out of your armies as they tried to attack us... WE TOOK THE LAND IN A TIME OF WAR. YOU LOST! Sew your "nations" balls back on and take it like men.... @#$%@#$% drama queens!

Posted by Cyrus King on Jun-20-2003 20:59:

quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
Well i guess i'm all grown up... because i'm not even going to go into biblical claims to the land.
I'm talking legal claims and moral claims!
Some of what i'm talking about has a lot to do with us beating the shit out of your armies as they tried to attack us... WE TOOK THE LAND IN A TIME OF WAR. YOU LOST! Sew your "nations" balls back on and take it like men.... @#$%@#$% drama queens!

Im not Arab

Mike.. where were you grandparents from before 1948?

Posted by melech_mike on Jun-20-2003 21:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Im not Arab

Mike.. where were you grandparents from before 1948?

Quite frankly, I don't care where your from... I care whats in your head -- and thus far you have yet to show me anything I haven't already debated with another person brainwashed by the idealisms of his religion!

Iran and Spain... I know where your trying to go with this and you'll probably make my laugh... so go on... post

Posted by Psionic on Jun-20-2003 21:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Ummm.....i am looking at the Issue at hand unlike you who is bringing religious justification into a matter that deals with politcal boundaries in which people like you like to validate biblically.

But haven't you noticed that Arabs also claim to have the religious entitlements to the land? The problem is that a Christian-dominated country (the U.S.) is interfering with a conflict that primarily involves Muslims and Jews.

Posted by Viber on Jun-20-2003 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
I think they sum up the middle east pretty well ...

Israel: I'm not going to give you a state until you stop terrorist attacks.
Palestinians: We're not going to stop terrorist attacks until you give us our state.
Both: Fine let's just agree to kill each other.

Everybody is happy in the end I guess.

i have an edit 4 you:

Israel: We are willing to give you a state with 97& of the teretory you want and also teretory swamping in order to come to a normal solution

palastinians:NO!! we want it all we wont rest until all israelis will go awey we like killing our selfs that gives us a chance to die holly and go to heven

-Based On full facts from camp david 1999

Posted by Psionic on Jun-20-2003 21:56:

LOL

Posted by joeh on Jun-20-2003 22:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
If you are talking about Jewish land with respect to ancient historical or biblical borders.... you need to grow up

haha, yes.

If the world was just then the native americans would be given back all of america - and all the new americans would be cramed into Utah.

After all the native americans have a greater historical claim to North america than the Israelis do to Israel - as the Native americans lived there just a few hundred years ago - compared to several thousand for the Israelis.

Posted by DR86 on Jun-21-2003 04:48:

quote:
Originally posted by joeh152
haha, yes.

If the world was just then the native americans would be given back all of america - and all the new americans would be cramed into Utah.

After all the native americans have a greater historical claim to North america than the Israelis do to Israel - as the Native americans lived there just a few hundred years ago - compared to several thousand for the Israelis.

oh, so true. so true.

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