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Originally posted by Simcut I agree with you mate, look at Suntec Records, they are pretty split between Hardstyle and Hard Trance and a lot of dj's that spin hardstyle do spin the odd bit of hard trance too, I notice a similarity between stuff on Suntec, same goes with Anthem Records.... Schwarzende is a good example, you could call his work either.

Hardstyle took no influences form hardtrance it took them from HARDcore/oldSTYLE.

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Originally posted by SugarShack Hardstyle took no influences form hardtrance it took them from HARDcore/oldSTYLE.

Like I said - this argument's gone on for ages (Doesn't change the fact that I'm right )

TBH electronic music is so incestuous that everything influences everything else. Any "new" styles of music are always heavily derivative of other more established styles.

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Originally posted by SugarShack Hardstyle took no influences form hardtrance it took them from HARDcore/oldSTYLE.

I didnt say it did, I said that stuff on Suntec for example is hard to categorise between the 2 quite a lot, I never did say that hardstyle took influences from hardtrance.

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Originally posted by dj_inferno Lady Dana

BrEeZaH!

DJ Mishka's Big Gay Mafia - Fuck the Internet

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Originally posted by Remy D Last year Tiesto was number 1 DJ in the world but in The Netherlands he was second right behind DANA!! It was: 1 Dana 35% of the votes 2 Tiesto 28% of the votes

kut breezah en tmf kiddos

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Originally posted by xls Like I said - this argument's gone on for ages (Doesn't change the fact that I'm right )

n00b :P

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1 Dana 35% of the votes 2 Tiesto 28% of the votes

This was based on a id/t enquete. the total enquetes where about 1500. Not really repesentative if you imagine the dutch dance scene is soooooooo big. That whole enquete was really something stupid. They did it on the id/t site so many id/t fans filled it in. There was also a question what was the best party> and the all the idt/qdance partys where in the top 5.

Okay here is the history of the hardstyl in holland.

Late 90's the uk hardhouse was very popular in holland. Q dance starts organizing UKHH partys but they notice the public want something harder! Many old hardcore djs like dana left the died-hardcore scene and are going to play records based on the tracid tracks music and italian stuff.
nowadays the hardstyl is the biggest genre here in holland. But nowadays the records are created with cheap old hardcore samples. Time for something new, Tracid tracks are doing some new stuff.

My opinion>

I have been to some hardstyl partys in the past. but don like it too much now. its going tooo hard, and if you are going to some big hardstyl partys in holland the public isnt that great. Like arj1o1 said many kut breezah en tmf kiddos!!

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Originally posted by netw3rkd n00b :P

I guess what I'm saying doesn't hold any merit unless I've got 1000+ posts? Is that how it works? The more posts you have, the more you know about everything?

Nah, the more posts you have means the more you don't have a life.

My fav hardstyle tracks are

Groove Armada - My Friend (DJ REsound Hardstyle Remix)
Temper Temper - I Am The Master
Temper Temper - To Be As One
Deepack - Zero Crossing
Simon J. Bergher feat. Dream Maker - Ultimo Respiro (Trance Generators Mix)
DJ Shredda - Chainsaw
Toolboy - Fear The Drill
Sa.Vee.Oh - Loop Hole
Hardstyle God - Prepare To Die
Warmduscher - 10 Kleine Bassdrums
Brain Ovulation - Kick & Bass (Acid Step Mix)
Brain Ovulation - Only Kick (Rushing Mix)

My fav liveset

DJ Luna live@ Shockers 2003 (He saved the day, because the soundsystem in de "hardstyle" hall was to say the least crap and he got to play in the Main Hall , I'll never forget)

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Originally posted by Biohazard Haha hardtsyle is probably the most mainstream music out there I didn't know we had some many no dutch 'BeuQers' in this forum Its a shame really, I seriously hope Hardstyle will never make it to Uk/gatecrasher, since it has kinda wrecked the scene here

a) Jump (like Jan Wayne)and Dance are the most mainstream electronic music out there.

b) Hardstyle didn't wreck the scene, people did, as they always do. The only problem with hardstyle is, that it's getting to popular for it's own good and to many people produce it, as an effect most releases are crap and as a bonus it are these releases on which people build their views on hardstyle and not to forget by the actions of certain group of peeps.

PS: Dana isn't that good, she just happen to be famous.

I am just noticing that most of you are mentioning alot of tracid trax stuff in the hardstyle category... I mean Kai HATES hardstyle and would never let it be produced under his baby label... As a supremo fan of the hard trance genre and not much of a lover of the hardstyle area there is a rather large difference between the sounds... I mean if someone asks for a Hardstyle track i would tell them to go look at the repedative headbang against a wall shit released by Luna, Deepack or basically anything on Blutonium.

Not the masterpeice acids and hard trance's that is brought out by tracid

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Originally posted by Timski I am just noticing that most of you are mentioning alot of tracid trax stuff in the hardstyle category... I mean Kai HATES hardstyle and would never let it be produced under his baby label... As a supremo fan of the hard trance genre and not much of a lover of the hardstyle area there is a rather large difference between the sounds... I mean if someone asks for a Hardstyle track i would tell them to go look at the repedative headbang against a wall shit released by Luna, Deepack or basically anything on Blutonium. Not the masterpeice acids and hard trance's that is brought out by tracid

Appart from the massive propaganda for Tracid Traxx you have a valid point. On the site of Tracid Traxx there was once even a whole rant by Kai about the fact that Hardstyle was a rip-off from what his label was doing. Yet Warmduscher has performed at Shockers where he played stuff like "Chainsaw" ( made by DJ Shredda) and other tracks released as hardstyle.

And most of Luna's own productions are indeed rather meek, but his sets are simply massive imo.

Yea true that... Warmdusher is a strange fellow tho to say the least and prob my least fav of all Tracid released DJs it does not mean that he cant play what he wants to of course...(even tho I am fucked if i know why anyone would play chainsaw...Uch).

It was just simply getting too me that people bundled up everything that can be considered hard and called it hardstyle, when it is infact a style all of its own and there was mentions of things released on Tracid... Tis kinda like how mainstream sees everything electronic as being "Techno" But not as bad... You get my drift tho.

LOL yoji is not hardstyle you blithering idiot


with regards to tracid traxxx, yes kai was annoyed about hardstyle slightly recylcing his sound, which i guess is true to a certain extent, but this was the reason warmduscher set up fakten records i believe.

personally i like to drop a few TTX rels in a hardstyle set, usually B-sides and smoe of the older stuff. but thats just me, i dont like to loiter around just hardstyle, my sets are usually a lot more intersting. i like to start with pitched up pounding techno, venture into the harder/darker acid trance, then acid induced techno, the n into hardstyle, but not like the tracks youll hear dana playing etc [jumpstyle?] i keep it strictly hard and dark.

believe it or not, it all goes down very well, tried and tested

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dumbass...

yoji is cuul...

:)

Hardstyle is good!

Hahaha! The funniest thing is....Kai Tracid produces almost all the Warmduscher tracks... Warmduscher 'self' is a fat dude who only appears at the liveacts.

Derb is the best Tracid Traxxx artist by far. I think Kai is kinda lost it with 'Concious' (that is a sucky song)...if you compare that with 'Voyager' or 'Destiny's Path'.

Although during Sensation 2003 (which I had the great pleasure to be there) people were bitching at Kai for having the wrong music on the wrong place because he was programmed between hardstyle and hardcoremusic-related-artists (Darkraver & Dana) and he played more hardtrance/acid-related stuff.....but secretly everybody knew that he had the best set and technically he is far better skilled than the two named above.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper X-Ess & Catscan - Love Thy Enemy

Eh? That's industrial hardcore. Both X-Es and Catscan spit on hardstyle, actually, as it's the most commercial EDM genre on earth.

Dana is the biggest joke to dance music. Her days of 'Lady Dana' when she spun and produced industrial/mainstyle hardcore was laughable. She did nothing original and just copied Promo's sound. Eventually she sold out to hardstyle, complaining that the newstyle hardcore was to dark, yet she produced it. During her hardstyle days she produced some of the cheesiest tracks on the planet I have ever heard. She can't mix for shit, either. I guess only kids like her 'music' though. Just about every old hardcore DJ, or at least the majority of The Dreamteam sold out to this shitty, commercial, money-hungry genre. :[

Personally, though, I used to love hardstyle, but back in 2001/2002 when it was semi-original and didn't rip off every hardcore track between 92-98, mostly the ones featured on the Thunderdome cd's. I can't really reccommend much, as I completly forget the names. Just stay away from DJ Pila, DJ Pavo, Dana, DJ Isaac, The Prophet, and Technoboy, as they're nothing but greedy money loving bastards. Check out shit from Deepack, DHHD, Mindcontroller, DJ Luna etc. Luna is one of my fav's, as he manages to spin banging techno in his sets, and perfectly transition them into hardstyle.

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Originally posted by nwopper Hahaha! The funniest thing is....Kai Tracid produces almost all the Warmduscher tracks... Warmduscher 'self' is a fat dude who only appears at the liveacts. Derb is the best Tracid Traxxx artist by far. I think Kai is kinda lost it with 'Concious' (that is a sucky song)...if you compare that with 'Voyager' or 'Destiny's Path'.

LOL wtf are you talking about dood?!?!?!

derb rip theyre own tracks off with everysingle release,. they ALLL [and i mean all] have the same basslines, and synths. what started with derb -derb continued for the next 2-3 years in every production they released.

kai tracid is an extremely talented producer and has been since like mid 90's, and continually proves his talents all across his field, from floaty acid trance, to hard acid trance, and the more techier stuff. he co produces pretty much every track released on tracid traxxx.

and actually, warmduscher is warmduscher i.e thilo markwort, kai just co produces/engineers. thats why only 'the fat guy' DJs under the warmduscher alias. same with A*S*Y*S. i.e frank ellrich, who kai also co produces with

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Originally posted by rooibos Eh? That's industrial hardcore. Both X-Es and Catscan spit on hardstyle, actually, as it's the most commercial EDM genre on earth. Dana is the biggest joke to dance music. Her days of 'Lady Dana' when she spun and produced industrial/mainstyle hardcore was laughable. She did nothing original and just copied Promo's sound. Eventually she sold out to hardstyle, complaining that the newstyle hardcore was to dark, yet she produced it. During her hardstyle days she produced some of the cheesiest tracks on the planet I have ever heard. She can't mix for shit, either. I guess only kids like her 'music' though. Just about every old hardcore DJ, or at least the majority of The Dreamteam sold out to this shitty, commercial, money-hungry genre. :[ Personally, though, I used to love hardstyle, but back in 2001/2002 when it was semi-original and didn't rip off every hardcore track between 92-98, mostly the ones featured on the Thunderdome cd's. I can't really reccommend much, as I completly forget the names. Just stay away from DJ Pila, DJ Pavo, Dana, DJ Isaac, The Prophet, and Technoboy, as they're nothing but greedy money loving bastards. Check out shit from Deepack, DHHD, Mindcontroller, DJ Luna etc. Luna is one of my fav's, as he manages to spin banging techno in his sets, and perfectly transition them into hardstyle.

yeah true mate, but tbf you wanna stay away from that dutch cheese. uk hard techno fuckin pisses all over it

Sorry for the newbish question....but is there a difference between hardstyke and hard trance or is it just another name for it, and if there is a difference what is it. Personally I like hard Trance, but I have heard some tracks labeled as "hard" but they sound quite different....too bassy and no melody.

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