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Posted by Enervate on Aug-13-2003 05:55:

thats a load of crap

we dont all have to hold the same opinions cause we speak on the same forums.. thats THE REASON for forums, to get other opinions and insights


quote:
Originally posted by DJ Cubano
*slaps forhead* MY GOD SHE'S RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by NYGblue on Aug-13-2003 06:39:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Cubano
*slaps forhead* MY GOD SHE'S RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by trancEyes22 on Aug-13-2003 17:12:

boys boys boys....i don't think theres ANYthing wrong with a man telling a woman "she's right"

haha, no seriously...maybe he did agree with me. this is a forum where you are gonna agree AND disagree with people. and maybe he was just agreeing with the last part....wait, WHO CARES? i think there needs to be a "removing the pole up everyones arse" day for TA....seriously!!!


Posted by TiTi on Aug-13-2003 19:19:

I've come to the conclusion that many TA's are just plain selfish. They want to keep trance underground and for themselves. I, on the other hand, want everyone in this universe to blast trance. I agree, if a song is good, it won't matter how many times you play it, it will always be good. If you start to get tired of a song, then it was never good in the first place. I still blast old stuff like it was new like ATRC and other songs from tiesto and andain. Spread trance, don't bottle it up and keep it for yourselves. Or else it will die. Learn from rap. It used to be underground. Now rap is everywhere. Tupac, 50cent, Eminem. I wish trance would someday be like that, everywhere. Then I won't have to hear crappy music on the radio, tv, street, etc. One Nation, Trance Nation baby!


Posted by NYGblue on Aug-13-2003 19:26:

quote:
Originally posted by TiTi
I've come to the conclusion that many TA's are just plain selfish. They want to keep trance underground and for themselves. I, on the other hand, want everyone in this universe to blast trance. I agree, if a song is good, it won't matter how many times you play it, it will always be good. If you start to get tired of a song, then it was never good in the first place. I still blast old stuff like it was new like ATRC and other songs from tiesto and andain. Spread trance, don't bottle it up and keep it for yourselves. Or else it will die. Learn from rap. It used to be underground. Now rap is everywhere. Tupac, 50cent, Eminem. I wish trance would someday be like that, everywhere. Then I won't have to hear crappy music on the radio, tv, street, etc. One Nation, Trance Nation baby!
So what your saying is you want Trance to become Crappy bullshit corporate music where anyone can put some beats together and put it out there and call it good.... Thanks but no thanks... We aren't being selfish, we are being realistic, get a clue.


Posted by tiesto14 on Aug-13-2003 19:42:

quote:
Originally posted by NYGblue
So what your saying is you want Trance to become Crappy bullshit corporate music where anyone can put some beats together and put it out there and call it good.... Thanks but no thanks... We aren't being selfish, we are being realistic, get a clue.




Again Agreed...

as far as TiTi's comment on rap...well many many rap fans think todays rap is terrible....and too "poppy"...

Why is this?....hhhhhmmm because everyone sees that if you throw together a few half ass rhymes and loop a 4 second beat for 5 minutes then you too can become a rap star....

Compare todays rappers to before it was SOOOO mainstream...
Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, D-Nice, Tribe Called Quest, Guru etc etc etc did for the art of the music....Eminem and the rest of these new found corporate boardroom artists do it because they see the profit, they see they can drive the benz or what have you....and todays rappers compared to yesterdays rappers are a joke

Rakim is by far the best rapper ever to walk this planet...and you can ask any hardcore rap fan and they will tell you the same...but he wasnt all over the radio, the way Eminem or 75 Cent are ....

There is no argueing the fact that the minute the CEO in the board-room sees the potential profits in Trance, they will embrace, smother it, and in the end leave it to rot in the alley after the fad has died out....this is a fact!!!

Like i said the more mainstream it gets, the more producers you will see because people will see that they can make fast cash if they produce tracks in volume very fast to be pushed onto the radio...and when that happens you will have very crappy tracks....this has already started in late 2002...2003's Trance is horrible...and will contnue to get worse as American radio fowls it up...how else can you explain tracks like Benni Benassi - Satisfaction or Oakenfolds - Starrey Eyed Crap, or Tiesto's Traffic....""all mainstream melodic pump it on your radio while cruising around after the mall with your double expresso, hair jell, Armani shirts, while drinking your whey protein shake Trance".....ugh disgusts me


Posted by NYGblue on Aug-13-2003 19:52:

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
Again Agreed...

as far as TiTi's comment on rap...well many many rap fans think todays rap is terrible....and too "poppy"...

Why is this?....hhhhhmmm because everyone sees that if you throw together a few half ass rhymes and loop a 4 second beat for 5 minutes then you too can become a rap star....

Compare todays rappers to before it was SOOOO mainstream...
Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, D-Nice, Tribe Called Quest, Guru etc etc etc did for the art of the music....Eminem and the rest of these new found corporate boardroom artists do it because they see the profit, they see they can drive the benz or what have you....and todays rappers compared to yesterdays rappers are a joke

Rakim is by far the best rapper ever to walk this planet...and you can ask any hardcore rap fan and they will tell you the same...but he wasnt all over the radio, the way Eminem or 75 Cent are ....

There is no argueing the fact that the minute the CEO in the board-room sees the potential profits in Trance, they will embrace, smother it, and in the end leave it to rot in the alley after the fad has died out....this is a fact!!!

Like i said the more mainstream it gets, the more producers you will see because people will see that they can make fast cash if they produce tracks in volume very fast to be pushed onto the radio...and when that happens you will have very crappy tracks....this has already started in late 2002...2003's Trance is horrible...and will contnue to get worse as American radio fowls it up...how else can you explain tracks like Benni Benassi - Satisfaction or Oakenfolds - Starrey Eyed Crap, or Tiesto's Traffic....""all mainstream melodic pump it on your radio while cruising around after the mall with your double expresso, hair jell, Armani shirts, while drinking your whey protein shake Trance".....ugh disgusts me
I like Traffic... lol... I think it gets worse, KTU crap like Dj Sammy who call themselves Trance Producers... I hate to break it to ya, but besides a couple of shows here and there Party 93.1 in Miami is esssentially the same bullshit...


Posted by Greedy on Aug-13-2003 19:54:

quote:
Originally posted by trancEyes22
boys boys boys....i don't think theres ANYthing wrong with a man telling a woman "she's right"

haha, no seriously...maybe he did agree with me. this is a forum where you are gonna agree AND disagree with people. and maybe he was just agreeing with the last part....wait, WHO CARES? i think there needs to be a "removing the pole up everyones arse" day for TA....seriously!!!


i know you wanna remove some poles from guys arse


Posted by Enervate on Aug-13-2003 21:01:

i understand where you're 'traditionalists' are coming from, the more shit stays underground, the better the qualitiy usually is.. but i have a hard time telling people that dont listen to trance that i like trance, because, well their idea of trance is castles in the sky, i like the idea of these songs hitting the radio scene, but like some said, i wish it wasnt ktu.


Posted by TiTi on Aug-14-2003 00:20:

True there are many kids wanting to be rappers. But I see it in trance too. Everbody wants to be a dj. Just look at the TA events. You get these people all wanting to spin and think they are good. If you can beatmatch, then you can dj. Haha! As for rap, rappers young and old agree that Eminem, Tupac, Jay-Z, Nas... are good. Those old rappers mentioned will agree Eminem got skills. And I resent the comment about Oakey. He is still the greatest dj, period. The range he's got, hip hop to trance is unmatched. His livesets are awesome. IMO, I still think all you are selfish. You feel less special if more people listen to trance. You all feel like you are better than other people. I get that from the KTU bashing. Even if trance goes mainstream, there will always be good and bad trance to choose from. It's not like all trance will be bad. Just like not all rap is bad.


Posted by pyro264jb on Aug-14-2003 00:27:

quote:
Originally posted by TiTi
True there are many kids wanting to be rappers. But I see it in trance too. Everbody wants to be a dj. Just look at the TA events. You get these people all wanting to spin and think they are good. If you can beatmatch, then you can dj. Haha! As for rap, rappers young and old agree that Eminem, Tupac, Jay-Z, Nas... are good. Those old rappers mentioned will agree Eminem got skills. And I resent the comment about Oakey. He is still the greatest dj, period. The range he's got, hip hop to trance is unmatched. His livesets are awesome. IMO, I still think all you are selfish. You feel less special if more people listen to trance. You all feel like you are better than other people. I get that from the KTU bashing. Even if trance goes mainstream, there will always be good and bad trance to choose from. It's not like all trance will be bad. Just like not all rap is bad.


Flame war has begun


Posted by NYGblue on Aug-14-2003 00:31:

quote:
Originally posted by TiTi
True there are many kids wanting to be rappers. But I see it in trance too. Everbody wants to be a dj. Just look at the TA events. You get these people all wanting to spin and think they are good. If you can beatmatch, then you can dj. Haha! As for rap, rappers young and old agree that Eminem, Tupac, Jay-Z, Nas... are good. Those old rappers mentioned will agree Eminem got skills. And I resent the comment about Oakey. He is still the greatest dj, period. The range he's got, hip hop to trance is unmatched. His livesets are awesome. IMO, I still think all you are selfish. You feel less special if more people listen to trance. You all feel like you are better than other people. I get that from the KTU bashing. Even if trance goes mainstream, there will always be good and bad trance to choose from. It's not like all trance will be bad. Just like not all rap is bad.


Posted by NYGblue on Aug-14-2003 00:32:

quote:
Originally posted by NYGblue
^^^^^

these are the different feelings I got from that post.


Posted by TiTi on Aug-14-2003 01:40:

Ok, no war. I give up. Just let me listen to my "cheese." But always remember, a healthy diet consists of dairy products. But seriously, you people shouldn't think yourselves better than people who listen to KTU and pop-trance. They're people too. Ok, some of them. Haha. Same goes for Oakey fans, myself included.


Posted by NYGblue on Aug-14-2003 02:46:

You misinterpret... This isn't about who is better. Its about protecting what we believe is good/quality music, from corporate record-labels. KTU is running along those lines. We have all seen the degradation of other forms of music due to this. You can listen to KTU all you want, you can disagree all you want, and we can argue semantics all day. The fact is I and many people believe that KTU is the antithesis of quality. I would suggest going to www.clubplanet.com and searching for a recent thread made by a KTU staffer under the New York forum of the messageboard, I think you will understand, in fact I will post a link in a second.


Posted by NYGblue on Aug-14-2003 03:01:

http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthrea...028#post1585028

Posted by a KTU employee on 7/16/2003.

We here at KTU keep are music and staff NEW and FRESH! We are made by the listener and for the listener! �� Keep in mind we try to appeal to all age groups and types of people in the disco scene! Check out the late night party for all you deep dark raving type clubbers! �� (Yes we know you��re out there!)

We promise to keep delivering great content if you promise to keep listening!


We are also moving are party crew into the latest club fad GLOW STICKS! That��s rite folks be ready for spotting the ktu party crew out and about handing out free glow sticks. We know what you all want!


-peace for all


Posted by klingklang77 on Aug-14-2003 04:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Aya Brea
ktu is a joke, which is why people are pissed off about it. they play pure guido cheese shit when it comes to playing the music they THINK is quality dance music. wlir (92.7) on the other hand, wouldn't be so bad because on certain nights they'll have a whole time slot just for dance music and it isn't bad at all. i was actually introduced to xpander on that station a few years ago.


WLIR plays good music sometimes (their dance songs are played on friday and saturday nites after 10, but if one is to listen to it 2 nites in a row (like if you are stuck somewhere w/ no CD player but only a radio one can see this) then it can be repetitive.
i too, was also introduced to many dance tunes from that station!


Posted by TiTi on Aug-14-2003 04:26:

Ok, I misinterpret. As for the thread, is it for real? Cause I find it amusing. The glowstick comment is great! I don't listen to KTU much, and I don't know how the radio staion works. So I'll take your word for it that they suck. But what do you think of other radio stations playing popular trance? Say, the Party93 station in Miami? Do you support what they do? What about Kiss100 where Digweed plays? And Armin's ASOT station, ID&T? I think of the dutch station 938 too? What about these? Don't they "commercialize" trance also? I think Armin's ASOT plays popular trance, I use the word "popular" loosely though. And I won't even touch how much these dj's make. Aren't promoters killing trance too? Or are you one of the many here that pay $50+ for a PvD party? In summary, I agree with you that KTU is bad, but I think trance can find a place on the radio. I look at house as an example. It is quite mainstream, maybe more so in the UK and France. But they seem to be putting out quality house tracks. Can't trance be as popular as house without losing quality? Any thoughts?


Posted by Russian Crush on Aug-14-2003 05:50:

^^^^^^ i was about to say that

KTU playing ATRC is not good in my opinion, Party93 in florida playing ATRC is a lot better, but not fully because thay play alot of Hip Hop and cheezy dance music too. what i think is that we need to have a EDM ONLY station in NY. Digitally Imported could do that easily (money is the only prob.) they have a huge community, they have 10 thousands of people at their peak times listening to EDM. and thats only ppl on PC. They could have separate times for Trance, Hard Trance, House, Dance or mixed up. thats where i would be proud to listen ATRC.


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Aug-14-2003 05:56:

edm station in nyc wouldnt happen unless clear channel started understanding the edm community....


Posted by NYGblue on Aug-14-2003 06:18:

quote:
Originally posted by TiTi
Ok, I misinterpret. As for the thread, is it for real? Cause I find it amusing. The glowstick comment is great! I don't listen to KTU much, and I don't know how the radio staion works. So I'll take your word for it that they suck. But what do you think of other radio stations playing popular trance? Say, the Party93 station in Miami? Do you support what they do? What about Kiss100 where Digweed plays? And Armin's ASOT station, ID&T? I think of the dutch station 938 too? What about these? Don't they "commercialize" trance also? I think Armin's ASOT plays popular trance, I use the word "popular" loosely though. And I won't even touch how much these dj's make. Aren't promoters killing trance too? Or are you one of the many here that pay $50+ for a PvD party? In summary, I agree with you that KTU is bad, but I think trance can find a place on the radio. I look at house as an example. It is quite mainstream, maybe more so in the UK and France. But they seem to be putting out quality house tracks. Can't trance be as popular as house without losing quality? Any thoughts?
There is a BIG difference between Europe and the States with regards to music. Party 93.1 is ok, they have a few good shows but the rest is crapola. I think a radio-station with a better format, might get my support. Its just that I really don't like having ATRC lumped together with Jay-Z and Spears, and all of those other jackasses...


Posted by frontebb on Aug-14-2003 15:50:

Hello!

Hi KlingKlang


Posted by Mebot on Aug-14-2003 16:47:

it makes me feel a lot better to be associated with my radio station at college.

Im the only DJ to spin Trance during primetime peak hours. But im not sandwiched betweeen sell-out music. Granted i may be between like a hardcore emo DJ or a heavy metal DJ..the fact remains that its not mainstream glop

Our radio station prides itself on being student-run and independant, so the tracks i spin you wont hear anywhere else and likewise for the DJS that play (yeah they play the CD player but i used the TTs) punk/americana/bluegrass etc... you wont hear that anywhere else either.


Posted by Mr Game+Watch on Aug-16-2003 02:33:

This is a sad day for music... Cuz KTU is only gonna beat this song to a bloody pulp, like they do with everything that gets playlisted. Just what I want, to overhear some 15 year old skanks in the mall talking about "hey, did you hear this new techno song?" This is why I stopped listening completely to the radio.


Posted by galdamez on Aug-16-2003 12:26:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveSaenz
I don't fucking understand "you" people though....


Neither do I. I see nothing wrong with having a good Trance tune played publicly.

This is actually a good sign when you think about it. If any Trance tune makes it big on the radio it increases the likelihood of more like it being played regularly.

There's no need to keep Trance underground like it currently is in the U.S. Ultimately, we should want it to be so popular that we can have our own events like Sensation and Trance Energy. AIIIIGHT


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