without a kick, can a song still be called trance?

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Posted by m0sh on Sep-18-2003 13:14:

quote:
Originally posted by DJDigDug
wavy gravy is a 3/4 u are now owned

LOL

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
4/4 marks a time signature, not the amount of beats used.

U got your answer fool... of course not every tune is 4/4 ...

and yeah 4/4 is more common on house by still
trance is layered with a lot of things like synths riffs and more .

But u still need the beat for it...everything begin in the beat

Posted by Peter K on Nov-07-2003 11:37:

i agree

Posted by benjamin on Nov-07-2003 12:06:

I reply no
It's chill out or lounge ...

Posted by dj_mdma on Nov-07-2003 16:31:

i'm sure many people here would regard it as a sort of trance, prolly something like chilled/chill-out trance.

And as for time signatures and beats...

Trance is 4/4. In fact most EDM is 4/4, but the rhythm of the kick can be different, e.g in Drum and Bass.

Burned with Desire still has the same 32 beat phrase structure that trance has. DnB also follows a 32 beat phrase structure. Remember that there is a distinction between the pulse of the music, and the rhythm of the beat. Trance couldn't be 3/4 (i.e waltz time) as the 32 beat phrase structure wouldnt work.

8 x 3 = 24
8 x 4 = 32

you would be a whole 8 beats behind, and would need to have an extra 8 beat phrase to be in sync with all other trance tunes.

A triplet in music is a bit difficult to explain, but i will try

in 4/4 music, you have 4 crotchets which are worth a beat each
then you have quavers, which are worth half a beat each. so in one bar of 4/4 music you can have 8 quavers.

A triplet is 3 notes in one beat, but the pulse of the music remains the same. Imagine squashing 3 quavers together to make one beat. Something like that. I should know better ways of explaining this since i did music theory

Posted by Peter K on Nov-08-2003 10:52:

trance needs kicks/claps/hihats otherwise it isn't trance

Posted by Gladius on Nov-08-2003 11:11:

lol, im not familiar with these thermes. can anyone explain things like 4/4 etc? =)

Posted by smokeape on Nov-08-2003 18:26:

I go along with DJDigDug. Fuck em...too much math for me.
Ha!!!
{{{smoke}}}

Posted by m0sh on Nov-08-2003 18:31:

if you learn piano you know how the beat works

Posted by Spin Doctor on Nov-08-2003 19:29:

quote:
Originally posted by teknoking
trance needs kicks/claps/hihats otherwise it isn't trance

No, it doesn�t.

Posted by Arbiter on Nov-08-2003 20:58:

It can, but there's usually a more descriptive alternative.

Cheers,

Arbiter

Posted by Peter K on Nov-08-2003 22:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Spin Doctor
No, it doesn�t.

yes it does

Posted by Stassi on Nov-08-2003 23:15:

trance is music in Major (as opposed to minor like house) with a 4/4 beat.
Yes a kick is required for trance, thats like saying a Heavy Metal song without Guitars.
Breaks and Build-ups, as well as the tempo of the track all have factors of the genre.

Posted by starglider on Nov-08-2003 23:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Stassi
trance is music in Major (as opposed to minor like house)

You mean a major key? Not all trance is in a major key...

Posted by PlasticSoul on Nov-09-2003 01:01:

I don't care about kicks...trance is only a music that let you in a "tranzy state of mind"...

Posted by smokeape on Nov-09-2003 01:40:

I gave up heavy metal a few years ago for trance.
Trance has got more power, plus lots of sexy females to make things a lot more interesting. Evanescence is somewhere in the gap as an exception. Just give me a Jan or Juistine or Mavie with some Tiesto or Armin or Oakey to back 'em up and I'm good to go.

{{{smoke}}}

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-09-2003 01:54:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
I gave up heavy metal a few years ago for trance.
Trance has got more power, plus lots of sexy females to make things a lot more interesting. Evanescence is somewhere in the gap as an exception. Just give me a Jan or Juistine or Mavie with some Tiesto or Armin or Oakey to back 'em up and I'm good to go.

{{{smoke}}}

Good for you.
Now, would you like to tell us what this has to do with the thread?

Posted by Spin Doctor on Nov-09-2003 02:12:

It never ceases to amaze me how close minded people can be. Oh well, your loss not mine.

Take some stuff by Tangerine Dream. No 4/4 kicks, but that IS trance music, more so than a lot of the crap that gets peddled as �trance� these days.

Posted by starglider on Nov-09-2003 02:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Spin Doctor
It never ceases to amaze me how close minded people can be. Oh well, your loss not mine.

Take some stuff by Tangerine Dream. No 4/4 kicks, but that IS trance music, more so than a lot of the crap that gets peddled as �trance� these days.

Tangerine Dream isn't trance.

Posted by Spin Doctor on Nov-09-2003 02:26:

If you ask me it is.

Posted by Fundamental on Nov-09-2003 03:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Stassi
trance is music in Major (as opposed to minor like house)

Ok mate. You're clearly talking out of your arse. Not all trance is in Major key...

quote:
Originally posted by Stassi
Yes a kick is required for trance, thats like saying a Heavy Metal song without Guitars.

No. That's like saying a heavy metal song without a kick. A kick is percussion no matter what the genre.

Posted by torontotrance on Nov-09-2003 03:27:

song without a decent kick is called a thomas datt production....hahahaha.....ok cruel joke

Actually I think the kick makes the tune then again, I've heard good trance without kicks...does not work as well in clubs tho.

Posted by Fundamental on Nov-09-2003 03:37:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
Actually I think the kick makes the tune then again, I've heard good trance without kicks...does not work as well in clubs tho.

Well of course not! But if you were to take an amazing trance track and take away the kick, then you would still consider it to be trance. Correct?

How about 4/4 snares instead...

Posted by torontotrance on Nov-09-2003 03:46:

i'm sure it would still be trance but the song would not be amazing.

Posted by Fundamental on Nov-09-2003 06:35:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
i'm sure it would still be trance

And Hallelujah, we have our answer...

Posted by Christopher B on Nov-09-2003 10:41:

I'm thinking about writing a trance song in 7/8 time, since I study classical music and love writing trance and have nothing better to do with my time. It actually wouldn't be that hard, the only thing thats challenging is coming up with a good uplifting melody in 7/8, cuz most pieces of music in that time are kinda akward or evil sounding.

To anyone who can't figure out how a 7/8 trance track would feel beat-wise, here's how it would probably work:

4/4 can be subdivided into 8/8. The 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th eighths are the kicks, and 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th eights are the high-hats. When you do a trance song in 7/8, it would be the same except you take out the last high hat and replace it with the first kick of the next measure and repeat. To the listener it should sound and feel akward, but hey, thats what one of those things that makes life interesting.

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