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Originally posted by sykadelik Both, at the same time

wot a junkie

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Originally posted by tranceDJ Watch the movie 'Trainspotting'. It's kind of a messed up movie but it's a good one and has some electronic music in it as well.

Underworld - Born Slippy

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Originally posted by butterfly how did you manage to get morphine on two separate occasions? arent they supposed to be pretty strict about giving that?

A collapsed lung will get you morphine right away. (Same one collapsed on two different occasions)

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Originally posted by ThaDevil Heroin and Crack are for losers who dont mind dying (since their life is useless). I did every drug out there, but I aint touching those 2.

add crystal meth & ghb to that list.

heroin is like signing your soul over to the devil.

My friend nIcky fingers & richie both od from it............ what a wast.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq When it comes to it fucking up ur life, its the drug laws that do that, not the actual chemicals. If heroin was legal and cheap to get for addicts, theres no reason why they couldnt live normal lives just like nicotine addicts.

Really?....with that theory one could say make all drugs legal at cheap prices, better yet setup a drug-stamp program, similar to food-stamps, for the people who really can't afford it....GREAT IDEA!! I am sure with that implemented people would surely take safe doses and not become addicted....and of course there would be no crime since people from all walks of life could afford it...and to top it off the governments could profit (maybe even to the point of curing their national debts)....then we could setup after school programs where kids go to learn how to shoot up with accuracy....place it in gumball machines and have it sold at the local corner store....GREAT IDEA!!


How you find a nicotine addict and a heroin addict to be similar is BEYOND me.....

WHEN heroin WAS legal in the U.S. (even sold through Sears catalogs) people where killing, robbing and commiting countless other crimes to support their habits...and this is when heroin WAS LEGAL...now when was the last time you heard of a nicotine addict killing for a smoke?...you find one, just one, account where someone has either robbed or killed PURELY on the basis to attain nicotine...

Heroin is bad....plain and simple..unless use for medicinal purposes.

This is not to say i think nicotine is good...just that your theory is quite absurd....on the other hand i beleive that nicotine/smoking should be illegal...it is a horrific product that ONLY, in the end, kills you.....this coming from a 12 year smoker....

heroin is sooo overrated
heroin is a stress reliever. if ur not stressed as fuck in ur life and just floating along with no worries and u try heroin you will think its shit house. but on the other hand, if u try it when u have 1 billion problems in ur life, you will absolutely love it.

ps. you might not think this is true but people have tried it before and havent gotten addicted!! oh my gosh!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Really?....with that theory one could say make all drugs legal at cheap prices, better yet setup a drug-stamp program, similar to food-stamps, for the people who really can't afford it....GREAT IDEA!!

dude check holland (i think its holland). they legalised ecstasy and now have FAR less as many problems as they did with ecstasy when it was illegal. go figure dumb ass

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Originally posted by wick dude check holland (i think its holland). they legalised ecstasy and now have FAR less as many problems as they did with ecstasy when it was illegal. go figure dumb ass

Heroin is also available by prescription too in Holland. I've heard if you are an addict, you can go to doctors and get it prescribed to you so that you do not need to obtain it from street sources.

A heroin(e) is like a hero, only fema...oh, forget it.

DRUGGIES!!!!!

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Originally posted by wick dude check holland (i think its holland). they legalised ecstasy and now have FAR less as many problems as they did with ecstasy when it was illegal. go figure dumb ass

resorting to insults?....intelligent


Show me stats that prove your claim...or give it a rest....being you dont even know the country in question how do you make such a claim?


and as far as i know ecstasy is not as addictive as other drugs so of course there is no major increase or decline of crime due to the legalization of it or not....

Listen, since ur only 12, i dont expect u know much or have researched this much or at all, but ill answer all ur points 1 by 1 and explain why im right.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Really?....with that theory one could say make all drugs legal at cheap prices, better yet setup a drug-stamp program, similar to food-stamps, for the people who really can't afford it....GREAT IDEA!!

Well, its not a bad idea

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I am sure with that implemented people would surely take safe doses and not become addicted

No, of course they would still become addicted. But the difference is they would know the exact potency of their drugs, and therefore the number of drug overdoses would be massivly reduced.

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and of course there would be no crime since people from all walks of life could afford it

Exactly. But thats not the only reason. Another thing to consider is that there wouldnt be many, if any, drug dealers and gangs who make shitloads of money from selling drugs and r usually involved in other types of crime, like gun crime, because there would be very, very little profit.

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and to top it off the governments could profit

Yep, not just from selling drugs, but they would save trillions that otherwise wouldve been spent chasing after drug users, dealers and gangsters.

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(maybe even to the point of curing their national debts)

ho ho ho..

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then we could setup after school programs where kids go to learn how to shoot up with accuracy

Well, thats going a bit far but of course heroin users would have access to clean needles (no more hiv spreading)

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How you find a nicotine addict and a heroin addict to be similar is BEYOND me.....

The difference is caused by laws.

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WHEN heroin WAS legal in the U.S. (even sold through Sears catalogs) people where killing, robbing and commiting countless other crimes to support their habits...and this is when heroin WAS LEGAL...now when was the last time you heard of a nicotine addict killing for a smoke?...you find one, just one, account where someone has either robbed or killed PURELY on the basis to attain nicotine...

Ive never, EVER heard of a smoker killing for tobacco. Why? Because nicotine doesnt cost $300 a day.

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Heroin is bad....plain and simple..unless use for medicinal purposes.

Bollocks.

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This is not to say i think nicotine is good...just that your theory is quite absurd....on the other hand i beleive that nicotine/smoking should be illegal...it is a horrific product that ONLY, in the end, kills you.....this coming from a 12 year smoker....

Making smoking illegal would only put its users into the same situation that heroin users r in now. That is fucking stupid. Considering nicotine is maybe 5 times more addictive than heroin, imagine what the prices would shoot up to, and imagine how much money gangsters would make off it. Making it illegal is an extremely bad idea.

But if producing heroin isn't illegal, it wouldn't cost $300 a day (mass production, production in 3rd world countries etc)

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear Heroin is also available by prescription too in Holland. I've heard if you are an addict, you can go to doctors and get it prescribed to you so that you do not need to obtain it from street sources.

The average age of a heroin user in holland is about 44, while in the uk its 21 i think. Thats a hell of an achievement.

LOL i am not 12...i have been smoking cigs for 12 years...thats what i meant....unless u were insulting me...but i am not 12 either or...

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Well, its not a bad idea

Purely ridiculous.....when i suggested it i knew it was a mornic statement.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq No, of course they would still become addicted. But the difference is they would know the exact potency of their drugs, and therefore the number of drug overdoses would be massivly reduced.

maybe....but the deaths from tobacco and alchohol are staggering...so more then likely they would be higher since the drug would be easier to get.....

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Exactly. But thats not the only reason. Another thing to consider is that there wouldnt be many, if any, drug dealers and gangs who make shitloads of money from selling drugs and r usually involved in other types of crime, like gun crime, because there would be very, very little profit.

so in other words - legalize 1 crime to deter anothers?....absurd.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Yep, not just from selling drugs, but they would save trillions that otherwise wouldve been spent chasing after drug users, dealers and gangsters..

doubtful since a large portion of the drugs are brought into the country by the CIA (in America)...government alreayd gets that money...they would LOSE money in all actuality if drugs became legal....

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Well, thats going a bit far but of course heroin users would have access to clean needles (no more hiv spreading)..

legalizing heroin doesnt prevent HIV...education and commen sense does

And clean needles are vaialble across the country...there are many programs are sponsered...here in NYC, from time to time, i see a truck that hands them out to addicts that are homeless or any addict that needs clean needles....

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq The difference is caused by laws..

No the difference is caused by the effects....show me case of a nicotine addict commiting a crime to get a cigarette...furthermore show me one instance of someone quiting nicotine that has died from withdrawel symptoms.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Ive never, EVER heard of a smoker killing for tobacco. Why? Because nicotine doesnt cost $300 a day...

It is not as addictive.....and heroin doesnt cost $300 a day....

When heroin WAS legal in America people where STILL commiting countless crimes to get after they would go through their life savings paying for the habit and wanted the drug so bad they would rob and kill for it....this is when you could buy it at stores in the early 20th century...

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Bollocks....

as your arguement...which i completly debunked...you have proved zero...

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Making smoking illegal would only put its users into the same situation that heroin users r in now. That is fucking stupid. Considering nicotine is maybe 5 times more addictive than heroin, imagine what the prices would shoot up to, and imagine how much money gangsters would make off it. Making it illegal is an extremely bad idea.

No it wont because smoking doesnt have the same chemical affects on ones body and mind....

Crack kills, Mkay????

^^^^ROLF!!!!!!!

Good another reasonable thread that tiesto14 joined and it completely went to horse shit.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 LOL i am not 12...i have been smoking cigs for 12 years...thats what i meant....unless u were insulting me...but i am not 12 either or...

No i wasnt insulting u i just misunderstood, read it too quick.

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maybe....but the deaths from tobacco and alchohol are staggering...so more then likely they would be higher since the drug would be easier to get.....

The deaths from alcohol and tobacco r because of how lethal the drugs r in themselves. Ur saying more heroin users would die even tho there would be hardly any overdoses? How exactly?

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so in other words - legalize 1 crime to deter anothers?....absurd.

Huh? What r u talking about? What im saying is that since u could get almost all drugs so cheaply, at least 10 times less than they cost now, there would be fuck all profit for dealers and gangs, basically putting them out of business.

Heard about alcohol probition? Go and ask al capone how he made his money.

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doubtful since a large portion of the drugs are brought into the country by the CIA (in America)...government alreayd gets that money...they would LOSE money in all actuality if drugs became legal....

I wasnt just talking about america. But now that u mention it, maybe what ur saying has something to do with WHY wont make it legal, and feeding the public all the bullshit that they do.

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legalizing heroin doesnt prevent HIV...education and commen sense does And clean needles are vaialble across the country...there are many programs are sponsered...here in NYC, from time to time, i see a truck that hands them out to addicts that are homeless or any addict that needs clean needles....

Thats not enough. When someones going to buy legal heroin, it would have to be supplied with enough clean needles for that amount of the drug.

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No the difference is caused by the effects....show me case of a nicotine addict commiting a crime to get a cigarette...furthermore show me one instance of someone quiting nicotine that has died from withdrawel symptoms.

lol, u really havnt a clue about what ur talking about. I argue with prohibitionists like u every fucking day and the majority of them dont even say things like this. What ur saying is, the high of heroin makes u want to kill or rob people?
Nicotine addicts dont have to commit crimes to pay for their addiction because of the PRICE. Tobacco here costs up to �110/kg. Do u know how much heroin costs? Up to �300,000/kg.
Heroin withdrawl doesnt kill, but alcohol withdrawl can.

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It is not as addictive.....and heroin doesnt cost $300 a day....

YES IT IS. Its FAR more addictive. Heroin can easily cost $300 a day, of course this differs depending on where u r. But even if it costs $100 a day, thats gonna cause crime. If it cost $5 a day like cigarettes, or even $15, that crime would disappear.

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When heroin WAS legal in America people where STILL commiting countless crimes to get after they would go through their life savings paying for the habit and wanted the drug so bad they would rob and kill for it....this is when you could buy it at stores in the early 20th century...

Do tobacco smokers have to go through their life savings to pay for it? NO. Its all about the fucking price.

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as your arguement...which i completly debunked...you have proved zero...

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No it wont because smoking doesnt have the same chemical affects on ones body and mind....

Uhhhh, Wtf? This is getting ridiculous. Jusat remember, nicotine is MORE addictive than heroin. Prohibiting it would cause chaos.

falling backwards

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Originally posted by UWM Good another reasonable thread that tiesto14 joined and it completely went to horse shit.

How did it go to horse shit?....DJ-Fuq and I are having a civil debate on drugs....if that is horse shit to you then i apologize...maybe it is just beyond your usual realm of maturity...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 ...maybe it is just beyond your usual realm of maturity...

Yup guess you win the prize.

The fact that I don't sit down and refute every sentence in someone's post and make irrelevant comments about them all makes me immature.


Flame on.

I am just waiting for the thread in a couple days that says:

What do you guys think about PCP?


MrS

flalnig bkacdrwas

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel I am just waiting for the thread in a couple days that says: What do you guys think about PCP? MrS

Don't ever do PCP.

Ever ever ever!

I did it by mistake once, it was a terrible thing.

btw tiesto14 how old are you?

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel I am just waiting for the thread in a couple days that says: What do you guys think about PCP? MrS

lol
Yeah its a bit of a fucked up drug.
Wonder if there will ever be a datura thread

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