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I think PVD is right, up to the point until he says Ian Van Dahl is cheese...

Ian Van Dahl used to be cheese, but check their dub tracks they make and their remixes of songs like Sleep and Am I On Your Mind...whoever reckons they're not the best mixes of that song then you have another thiing coming..

Dj Sammy, Lasgo and so on can kiss my butthole, fucking shit cheese.

but Ian Van Dahl has had some good songs remixed by the biggies like Rob Searle, Michael Woods, Alphazone, Lange and many more...

and PVD calling Dj Sammy cheese is ironic when he played Sunlight in the love parade.

BUT before anyone starts flaming, Ian Van Dahl is still cheese and still will be considered that BUT they have made awesome songs, they changed for the better IMO...like Darude.

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Originally posted by UWM Yeah but at least they have produced tracks which are noteworthy and deserve praise for creativity and freshness. And they probably didn't rip on artists whose tracks they played themselves Absolute hypocrit.

100000000% Agreed, couldn't have said it better.

And i don't know if that is PVD talking since everyone has noticed it's in 3rd Person, BUT if it is PVD, i think i just a bit of respect for him saying 'Connected' saved trance

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Originally posted by Christopher B Here's what I think, somebody please tell me if I'm dead wrong: You all hate DJ Sammy and Ian van Dahl. If you were asked about his music, you would say something along the lines of "His music is cheesy shit, it is a disgrace to the scene". PvD said the exact same thing, because he feels the same way you all do. I can guarantee that every single person who has made a post looking down on PvD's comments has said the same thing, so who are the real hypocrites here? The truth is, the people who have bashed on PvD's "misconduct" really don't care about DJ Sammy or Ian van Dahl's well being. They are doing it because they want to get PvD anyway they can because they resent his popularity. It is really quite sad, especially considering he has been a huge part of the scene for over a decade.

I don't think people bash pvd for that reason. pvd isn't really popular, dj sammy is though. and what is what's frustrating. btw, i am speaking from detroit, so this may not be the case where you are from. but enough about sammy already, i can't believe i keep responding to the crap threads!!!!

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Originally posted by brian Perhaps the people responsible are not the artists, but those poorly misinformed individuals who classify van Dahl and DJ Sammy as trance rather than the more appropriate classification of pop. If these particular artists are the ones responsible, then so be it. Nobody's a moron for liking a musical work. To each his own. I guess the cheese wars are slowly turning into very vocal cat fights. How sad.

I agree its all in the classification, its just a mix up, but a mix up that did affect trance is a big way, its just goin to take some to clarify thas all.

OMG OMG! a thread about pvd featuring ian van dahl and dj sammy! lets all post! lets start bashing and flaming each other!


FLAME WAR!!!!!!!!!!!

What's with all the hate towards DJ Sammy? He never did say to the public that his music was trance.

........ Im not touching this with a 20 foot pole

Commercial trance isn't very good, but it is a door for newbies to get into the genre.

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Originally posted by Chuck Norris What's with all the hate towards DJ Sammy? He never did say to the public that his music was trance.

Does anybody else find this post as ironic as all hell? I believe you were the one who created that massive "DJ Sammy" thread a few days back and argued that DJ Sammy was indeed trance...

c'mon guys who hates Ian & Sammy so much...let this conflict end.. I really think most tennagers prefer Ian & sammy more than paul van dyk or armin... becus they had a different style and more easy to comply with. This group consist of Groove Coverage/Lasgo/Ian Van Dahl/Ole Van Dansk/DJs @ Work/Pulsedriver/Special D/Baracuda/Staccato/Milk Inc./FlipNFill/FridayNightPosse/Scooter/DJ Sammy

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Originally posted by Karen Simon ...and tracks like 'Connected' have saved trance...

LOL! And you of course put your heart and soul into that track didn't you PvD, for all of the six minutes it took to make.

DJ Sammy - Heaven
IvD - Castles in the Sky

I always get request to play these two tracks Love to disappoint them when i refuse them though

YES, YES, YES... BUT...

PvD is right in that most ppl will never understand real trance. IMO the artists he named are cheesy and worse: PREDICTABLE. it's all the same harmonies, over and over. moreover, w his credibility from all those years of being central to the scene, it's fun to hear him say these things so candidly


HOWEVER: when a serious producer gets his/her hands on one of these cheesy artists, the result can be GOOD. the oliver lieb remix of dj sammy sunlight is great!!

I'll admit that badmouthing IvD was not very smart when he has played one of their productions,but I doubt that any artist would be bigheaded enuff to say that one of his own tracks "saved trance", esp PvD. That's why I also doubt that PvD wrote that himself. We also know Mixmag are notorious for fabricating statements, twisting words and stirring shit up in their articles (Tiesto/Ferry comes to mind, plus horrible, baseless statements towards Danny Tenaglia which the man himself had to write to their column to wash off)

So quite frankly that article could be a major mass of bogus for all we know, and that's why I'm not taking it seriously.

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Originally posted by Icesotope c'mon guys who hates Ian & Sammy so much...let this conflict end..

Me; oh and I hate the other artists you mentioned.

back to the topic...

Van DYK maybe a tad hypocritical (his latest experiment was a little off the mark in alot of people's minds), but hey, atleast he experiments - better that than the usual same-old, same-old from the shit that is Sammy and Co. Good on him for bagging cheese music - let it be known to them, then they might actually try and produce some half decent music.

Darude did it...


Having said that, we get to enjoy the good stuff, so who gives a fawk about MTV fans.

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Originally posted by mr. poopyhead this is quoted from a magazine, but i doubt these are pvd's own words... why would he talk about himself in the 3rd person??? what is quoted here are the words of the magazine writer... not pvd... maybe that last part is pvd speaking, but otherwise... i don't know pvd personally, but i can't imagine annyone being arrogant and elitist enough to say such things...

werd

There's no link to this article that i can find. nor was this quote taken in context from the article taken in context.
PLUS
journalisms twist facts, take things out of context, butter stuff up, and do whatever they can do to make comments from famous people seem more controversial or whatever to evoke more emotion in the response of hte reader.

we don't really have much proof that this is actually what PvD meant when he was on this topic during the interview.
we don't even have direct quotes coming out of his mouth.

so i wouldn't put too much thought into whether PvD is a hipocrit or right in his apparent comments

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 Does anybody else find this post as ironic as all hell? I believe you were the one who created that massive "DJ Sammy" thread a few days back and argued that DJ Sammy was indeed trance...

Oh woe is me , please show me where the irony is? I may have argued that I thought that sammy was trance although he never said he was.

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Originally posted by Chuck Norris Oh woe is me , please show me where the irony is? I may have argued that I thought that sammy was trance although he never said he was.

You are one VERY confusing individual...

Paul sure knows what he is talking about, without paul, armin, corste, and tiesto trance would definately be dead, if it was put in the hands of dj sammy, ian van dahl, and flip n fill, there sound is the same in every track they produce. I feel that trance, is still alive, but its heading towards a diff sound, a more commercialized type sound, well have to wait and see though

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Originally posted by Karen Simon Paul Van Dyk- What he has to say about TRANCE in the new MixMag... In the October 2003 MixMag, Paul Van Dyk says the following about trance: "Trance had become a dirty word. Thanks to Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo, Flip 'N' Fill and DJ Sammy, a generation of kids has grown up thinking trance is the shittiest music since country and western." Along with Armin Van Buurren, Tiesto, and Ferry Corsten, Paul Van Dyk and tracks like 'Connected' have saved trance, steering it away from the bird-sings-over-80s-remake formula that was making trance a laughing stock, bringing it back to what it was always meant to be - fucking good dancefloor music that messes with your head. He doesn't want to piss anyone off, so he doesn't like to talk about other DJs. With one exception: Ian Van Dahl gets a kicking for being completely 'cheesy'. " Cheesy records make proper trance look bad. Of course there are people who buy DJ Sammy records. They're not the same people that buy mine."

Don't take this out of context. The guy who transcribed this obviously missed the end of quotation after 'country and western'. PvD didn't say anything about Armin, Tiesto, Connected or anything in that paragraph, that's just the author's opinion. Then the other quote starts ith "Cheesy records....". Understand now?

I dont like Sammy, DJ Mystik, and Scooter (a.k.a 3 fingers up their ass)....

They do nothing but make eurodance and steal other producer's music such as BT - Flaming June....

They can all go to hell for making a classic tune into a peice of shit and even worse, not giving the originator any props.....

cheesy fucks.

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I believe you were the one who created that massive "DJ Sammy" thread a few days back and argued that DJ Sammy was indeed trance...

No, that was NOT me, Karen Simon.

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why would he talk about himself in the 3rd person???

Per the article: PvD (as he sometimes refers to himself) take the audience with him.


There is not link to the article... because I read it from MixMag. So, go get the October MixMag... and read for yourself.

Per the article, Paul Van Dyk made the following statements, as it was put in quotes:

Ian Van Dahl gets a kicking for being completely cheesy. "Cheesy records make proper trance look bad. Of course there are people who buy DJ Sammy records. They're just not the same people who buy mine."

You guys just dont get it, do you .....

You guys just dont get it, do you? This is not really about cheese music. People just generally dont like dance&electronica, and the only artists that make it at least likeable among many people who dont like electronica is artists like DJ Sammy and Ian Van Dahl. Personally, I think more people like cheese music than the good electronica. Although its true that many people never get to hear how good real trance, not the cheesy one is, you got to give those artists (cheese) a credit for giving a rise to a bigger electronica culture than it was in the beginning of '98. That year i almost felt electronica music died out. Just pop music almost wiped it away, but thanks to the cheese, we are getting many people on the right track. Dont you agree?

And artists like DJ Sammy are NOT TRANCE, they are very similar or closely associated with eurodance.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium a credit for giving a rise to a bigger electronica culture than it was in the beginning of '98. That year i almost felt electronica music died out.

1998 into 1999 were the best years for trance and I'm sure that almost all of the old-schoolers around here will agree with me. So I don't really see how you can make that statement.

You think cheese music rips a lot of music off? ...

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Originally posted by Trancer85 I dont like Sammy, DJ Mystik, and Scooter (a.k.a 3 fingers up their ass).... They do nothing but make eurodance and steal other producer's music such as BT - Flaming June.... They can all go to hell for making a classic tune into a peice of shit and even worse, not giving the originator any props..... cheesy fucks.

If you think that cheese electronica music rips off often from other great non-cheese songs, you should know that in rock and rap music, artists steal other producer's music in many ways WAY MORE OFTEN. For rap, they might take just a little annoying sample of a good song, PLAY IT OVER AND OVER and OVER and back it up by rap shit. Truly disgusting stuff.

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