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Biggest danger of "Ecstasy" nowadays is getting pills that are adulterated with substances other than MDMA, which could prove very harmful and even lethal sometimes, especially if combined with other drugs. Since many manufacturers of the drugs don't give a shit about anything except their own wallets, the chances are unfortunately big that they'll mix whatever they can get their hands on in their pills, regardless of if two or more of the substances they put in a pill may interact dangerously with eachother when consumed.

For MDMA, the active chemical in "real ecstasy" the risks are relatively low in comparison to other things if the user is responsible and takes necessary precautions such as staying hydrated, take breaks from dancing (if dancing) and not overdoing it. Using the substance too often can result in terrible side effects though, but i'd dare saying taking breaks of 2-3 months between each session would keep a person relatively unexposed to most side effects.

There are testing kits to screen pills for MDMA, however, those kits can not tell if pills containing MDMA contain other substances (which might interact badly with MDMA - or increase body load to an excessive level) as well.

Risk Assessment

I also don't like to use the term ecstasy anymore, especially since when media reports a case of death, they use the term ecstasy without any regard to what actually was in the "ecstasy".. Just because ecstasy ment MDMA 20 years ago, doesn't mean it does today.. So to me it's really unclear how many of the (in that DEA table for example) of the Ecstasy emergency cases were actually caused by MDMA and not some other crappy shit stuffed into a pill for quick profit.

About the deaths btw, did anyone think of that if a substance wasn't illegal, it's purity could be controlled, people could dose correctly without risking OD'ing or getting something they don't want inside them, and criminal organisations benefitting from sales of a substance would no longer benefit from it.

[annoyed]terms like 'fucked' and 'pilling' shines from e-tardness, and imo they don't reflect any of what you'd want from a MDMA experience.. If you want to get 'fucked', just sniff some gasoline or glue, or bang your head into the wall a few times.. [/annoyed]

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Originally posted by Purple_Heart You guys just keep telling yourselfs that .... There is a reason they call it a drug and not a vitamin ....

anything you ingest that isn't fuel (i.e food or oxygen)

is theoretically a drug.

As the definition of a drug is a substance that will change a physical process or disrupt a homeostatic process in the body.

I understand what u guys are saying but the majority of users are idiots and do mix it with other drugs and its really killing the scene, no more apparent than here in Houston. Raves, outdoor parties or what ever you want to call them have been completely banned here and the blame is solely on X. So I mean you can see where the anger comes in, I mean to each its own but X to me suxors, its all about the music IMO.

Bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't need that to dance 10 hours in a row! I just need coca cola and fresh water!

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Originally posted by Ste so your trying to say for every 1 person who takes E, there are 20,000-30,000 who take cannabis/cocaine? no score im afraid.

i wouldn't throw out such a number, but there are definatly alot more people out there who smoke pot and do cocaine (i'm pretty sure that the cocaine also includes crack related) than people who pop E. (and remember this is in the United States)
because of there are so many more people out there who do those drugs, it would skew the results to a higher number of emergency room visits (maybe not a higher rate, which would be the percentage of ER visits vs. number of users).
and i'm sure the data for this graph were very loosly compiled in that, someone who was too stoned to walk and fell down the stairs and broke his arm was brought to the ER and the visit was another tick mark for marijuana related ER visits.
the same is true when people try to justify illigal drugs by saying that there is so much more higher rates of damage done by alcohol than by any illigal substance. well duh, of course the numbers are gonna be higher because almost everyone drinks alcohol, and not nearly as many people do illigal drugs in comparison.

i'm not trying to say that ecstasy and illigal drugs in general are all very danerous. i'm quite pro-drug. but i'm just saying you gotta be careful about statistics.

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Originally posted by VaNFeCto I understand what u guys are saying but the majority of users are idiots and do mix it with other drugs and its really killing the scene,

I'm afraid that's a very common misconception. The majority of users inform themselves of the risks beforehand, and make sure to minimize any dangers. It is the FEW who are uninformed, ignorant, and just plain stupid that are ending up in the newspapers and making 'the scene' look so terrible.

fuck E

TRANCE IS THE DRUG!

everyone seems to say music is the drug and blah blah blah

but how come almost every amazing artist did drugs?

almost all the jazz greats did heroin and any other drug out there.
kurt cobain speaks for himself
elliot smith has heroin instead of blood running thru his vains
pink floyd and LSD
same with the beatles

and in the electronica scene. almost all the good producers do drugs.
sander kleinenberg breaths pot out of his lungs
sasha is a drug feind

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Originally posted by montie everyone seems to say music is the drug and blah blah blah but how come almost every amazing artist did drugs? almost all the jazz greats did heroin and any other drug out there. kurt cobain speaks for himself elliot smith has heroin instead of blood running thru his vains pink floyd and LSD same with the beatles and in the electronica scene. almost all the good producers do drugs. sander kleinenberg breaths pot out of his lungs sasha is a drug feind

you can go back to aristotle, homer, da vinci, cervantes, michelangelo, mozart, virginia woolfe, van gogh, picasso, dali, stravinsky etc. etc. etc. regardless of the artform. all of them did something. sober minds are not as not as fucked up, and therefore not as creative.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance you can go back to aristotle, homer, da vinci, cervantes, michelangelo, mozart, virginia woolfe, van gogh, picasso, dali, stravinsky etc. etc. etc. regardless of the artform. all of them did something. sober minds are not as not as fucked up, and therefore not as creative.

haha so true

FACT: The trance �scene� or for that music Dance music in general would not be as massive as it is without the influence of MDMA in it�s formative years.

Drugs will not make you a good artist. Try taking acid and writing music. It sounds like arse. Most all music written, even if by druggies, is done sober.

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Originally posted by DJDigDug it is probably one of the safest drugs there are.

true, as long as you know what is in your pill, since dealers / n00b buyers dont know what could be in it. thats why you gotta trust your dealer =]

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Originally posted by netw3rkd n00b buyers

reach for the razors
you can report me for this one

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear Drugs will not make you a good artist. Try taking acid and writing music. It sounds like arse. Most all music written, even if by druggies, is done sober.

I don�t know if that was in response to me � if it wasn�t sorry in advance, but if it was I wasn�t referring to artists making music.

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear Drugs will not make you a good artist. Try taking acid and writing music. It sounds like arse. Most all music written, even if by druggies, is done sober.

we all live in a yellow submarine.
end of.

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear Drugs will not make you a good artist. Try taking acid and writing music. It sounds like arse. Most all music written, even if by druggies, is done sober.

yes yes. alot of the time they are. but many artists do so many drugs they are used to being in such a state along with being so good at an art (such as playing an instrument) can perform amazingly while in it.
also even if they do write their music, they get many of their ideas form their "trips"

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Originally posted by Az reach for the razors you can report me for this one

Mr. Asbrey you never cease to entertain me.

Ther is no better mix then X and alcohol, what are you kidding me... the point is to get fucked up is it not. What dont tell me youve never been in a drug induced coma he he, its a trip.

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extasy has been given a very bad reputation, if the user is responsible and drinks water, doesnt mix it with other drugs ESPECIALLY alcohol, it is probably one of the safest drugs there are.

I would have to disagree with you on this. Yes ecstasy is generally safe if taken responsibly...this is true...but is not even close to one of the safest drugs you can take. Physiologically: mushrooms, LSD, and mescaline are among the least harmful drugs.

You have to take into consideration that all pressed MDMA pills are cut with some sort of adulturant whether it be caffienne, ephedrine, PMA, DXM, etc...there is always something else present. If you take ecstasy seriously and you claim that you are a responsible drug user you should buy a testing kit and test everything before you take it. Of course this doesn't factor out the possibility that you body just by chance may react negatively towards the MDMA, though it's VERY likely your chances are good that nothing bad will happen. And also take into consideration your state of mind while on ecstasy...people always want more, more, more. I've seen people take 8 good quality pills in a night and be so fucked out of their heads that they couldn't stand up...that's pushing the safe barrier.

Also the after long term effects of ecstasy are VERY real. Take it from someone who is there right now...I was a responsible ecstasy user and now 1.5 years later I have generalized anxiety disorder, and I know A LOT of other people who are in the same boat as I am. Scientists still need a good 20 - 40 more years of studying before they can identify and document the very REAL long term after effects of ecstasy use.

But in general I will admit that E use isn't as bad as I have made it out to be, but most drug users aren't as responsible as they think.

And you also asked...how is ecstasy use effecting the scene (I assume you mean trance scene) well here is my comment on this:

The R.A.V.E. act was issued this year which gives the right for the police to shut down clubs and events which drug use is being conducted at. And for those of you who don't thinh this threat is real....the biggest club in the U.S., Club Space34 in Miami, Florida is now being forced to shut down their doors because of all the negative press about ecstasy use assosiated with clubs...they just shut down the biggest club in the U.S. because of ecstasy, this is real and this sucks expecially for all the non or ex-drug users who are trying to enjoy going out and having fun because drug users can't keep their drugs at home.

But I'd be a hypocrite if I said I never went out to clubs and did drugs, but I did...but it's all in the past...am I a straightedge? HELL NO!!!! But my life and my perspective towards drugs has changed dramatically.

Im convinced E damages your brain resulting in memory loss, there might never be any studies to back this up, but ive experienced this first hand (temporarily)

As for alcohol and E, the booze seems to make the E innefective for me...

GHB is the perfect drug, non-toxic, non-toxic metabolites, improves your sleep, a good buzz... too bad people are ruining it by OD'ing all over the place...

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear Drugs will not make you a good artist. Try taking acid and writing music. It sounds like arse. Most all music written, even if by druggies, is done sober.

hah, many many artists could answer "been there, done that". you don't know what you're talking about

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Originally posted by DjGrl2000 I personally think the safest way to use E is if you get a pill that is pure MDMA, and that is very hard to find nowadays. Alot of E makers have put horrible shit in the pills such as DXM. That's what I think might have been in my pill the last time i rolled because I could not sweat at all so my body temp. just kept getting higher and higher. One of the reasons E ruins the scene so bad is because all these organizations are actually trying to ban all rave and trance/techno concerts because of the drug. I believe it's called the National Rave Act or something. It's horrible, and I hope they never succeed. We use to have a show here every summer called rave on the rocks, and they made the radio station change the name because they said raves are associated with Ecstasy. They even tryed to ban the show permanently. See how it's ruining the scene?

First off, there is no such thing as a "pure" e. at least 50% of the pill is binder, which is an inert ingredient that holds the MDMA molecules in the pill form. I understand what you are saying though, and yes, pills where MDMA, MDEA or MDA is the only active ingredient are fairly rare (odds say something like 1 in four). Average MD* content in a pill ranges something like ~80 mills which is a threshold dose.

Second off "DXM" is not a horrible drug at all. It's what they put in OTC cough syrup. Mixed with Ecstacy it has a particularly bad effect but by itself it's a pretty safe (and interesting) drug.

Drugs, in themselve are not 'ruining' the scene. Maybe the crap they attract is ruining the scene... blame the (irresponsible) users, not the drug.

Why is this piece of shit still in the wrong forum?

We should have a drug forum here where all you pill-poppers could talk trash in peace.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Why is this piece of shit still in the wrong forum? We should have a drug forum here where all you pill-poppers could talk trash in peace.

stop being so cynical

there is an article in mixmag about 20 good things that drugs have done for humans.

One that will apply here is a quote from some old rock guy.

it is "If you don't think that drugs have had any effect on music and its development through the years, then you'd better go home and smash up all your records. Why? Because all the people were all real fucking high on drugs"

Its almost verbatim

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