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-- Review of J00F: Fresh and Sound Emporium Oct 17 2003
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Originally posted by ShAwZy Wow, Some people need to grow up..... Anyways Myself and a few of my closest attended the party and thought it was great! The staff right up to the door man was very courteous in seeing that we were looked after. We got there as Greg Benz was warming up the crowd with more melodic stuff. Looked like he was having a good time and it was transparent through the crowd. John OO hit the decks to a half empty room but smiles were all that you could see from the Trance Legend. He played some wicked hard trance that kept me moving. Apart from the wicked music, the vibe in the club was very friendly as well. I didn't know a lot of the tracks he spun as it has been a while since I attended a trance party but it was def'n not cheese and that made me happy. I have to thank the fresh crew for throwing the party, and as for those who are bashing these guys for throwing a party because it is on the weekend after another big party or cause scumfrog was there, give your head a shake. This John OO Flemming and throwing a party does take some risk, I think these guys hold a lot of class in trying to provide us partiers with a good night out and you know what even know the party may have cost them some coin, they can still say they threw a wicked party and those who were there enjoyed themselves. Grow up people... BTW went over to Scumfrog after the party and had a blast to finish the night off. Wasn't there long enough to give a decent review but saw a couple of TA's. Hope everyone had a good weekend.

NO ONE is bashing the promoters ? more like suggestions/reasons ... hmmm

I hear all your comments and enjoy listening to all your opinions...
Well taken and well put for the most part. I agree with allot,but it doesnt change my personal opinion... After 3 years of doing this I have found out in a harsh way that my views of a party have become twisted from my "Rave" begginings and philosophies to what is now majoritivly just a club scene. Basically put I cannot do what I set out to accomplish right now, But damn if I didnt give it a hell of a good shot... and I know people respect me for that alone because I actually DID it, which takes allot more ballz than you may think... any promoter will tell you that.

Its unfortunate that some just sit back and spit out jaded coments like 'mju:zik did... dude you must have no clue to be that ignorant! to you the word PLUR has no meaning, and never will. Even if we did make bad decisions in you mind, there is no need to piss on an open wound.

We are not blaming anyone or mad at anyone for not coming out, you do as you please and that is all we would ever ask... just enjoy doing what YOU do and respect others for what they do, and our scene will stay alive... without unity what do we have?

It's too bad this thread has been more of a fight than a review.

Mark T, the apology is much appreciated. My response was an impulse to something I found offensive and hurtful. At any rate, this board is supposed to be positive and let's keep it that way.

Again I reiturate, we didn't find out about the events surrounding ours until the deposit for John was in and flyers were printed. Even if turning back was an option, it doesn't change the fact that the Guvernment packed the place the very next night after our party with a dj (as good as he may be) that people can see 3 times a week. I think that says a lot.

I guess we can attribute the flop to many things; beleive me, the past few days has left us wondering too. And Tara you make good points, there are a plethera of reasons why people didn't show. Yet at the same time, we had 100 paying customers to see John '00' Fleming... a man who has packed every Toronto venue he's played in. 100 people paying to go to our event not only leaves us scratching our heads, but let's face it guys, it doesn't leave us with alot of hope or desire to do it all over again once the hefty bill is paid. It's just not worth the time, money or heartache. We tried and it didn't happen I guess. We're not poitning fingers or putting on guilt trips, just chaque it up to it not being meant to be.

At any rate we're proud of what we've done. We threw a world class party on Friday night; it honestly would have been one of the best nights in Toronto in years if more people would have come out. We tried really hard to make it happen and provide people with an alternative to the norm and I don't regret it in the end. Thanks again to everyone who believed in us, it kept us going perhaps longer than we should have!

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Originally posted by Dennis Hahn It's too bad this thread has been more of a fight than a review. Mark T, the apology is much appreciated. My response was an impulse to something I found offensive and hurtful. At any rate, this board is supposed to be positive and let's keep it that way. ...

thanks, because I sincerely meant it...and you're also absolutely right about keeping it positive in here. My misguided remarks were also made on impulse and I'll try keep that in check from now on

It sucks your party didn't turn out as well as hoped...it's unfortunate that in a city of this size that both parties couldn't thrive. Congrats for bringing J00F into town...obviously it was more other factors that resulted in the low attendence...like I said, circumstances being different, I'd have been there. Deciding between seeing J00F again and seeing Scumfrog, who I've really loved this past year or so, was hard...but I'm at least thankful that in TO we actually HAVE decisions like that to make...thanks to promoters like Dennis and the people @ System.

so let's get on everyone's case that didn't go out at all now j/k

hey Fresh, I'm just wondering if you guys might ever consider throwing smaller scale parties perhaps only featuring local DJ's in the future after this fiasco is put well behind you? Just letting you know that not all hope is lost ..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL hey Fresh, I'm just wondering if you guys might ever consider throwing smaller scale parties perhaps only featuring local DJ's in the future after this fiasco is put well behind you? Just letting you know that not all hope is lost ..

i believe they already do that in K/W

Good Job!!!!!

Personally, I think you guys gid a good job with the party. It's very difficult as the new guys in town, and all these people critisizing and name-calling....get a freakin' life and get some respect!!!. You see these guys were not handed an already packed club to deal with. They had to attract their own crowd, not rely on a regular crowd that someone else built and maintains.....read: System & Viva Friday's
It's real easy to throw a party when you already know it's gonna be packed before you even organize the party.

Props to you guys for the great effort in really a tough environment!!

Hope to see you guys out there again poundin' the streets

Hartec

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Originally posted by charmscars i believe they already do that in K/W

yeah we do a weekly @ Revolution in Waterloo, this weekend we have ur own Walter Mindz and Dennis Playing.

Our jump to T. was attempted due to there being just not enuf partiers in the Tri City's area to bring such a big name in and excpect a good turnout. We are still going to be running strong in our own local residencies at least for the rest of this school year.

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Originally posted by Hartec Personally, I think you guys gid a good job with the party. It's very difficult as the new guys in town, and all these people critisizing and name-calling....get a freakin' life and get some respect!!!. You see these guys were not handed an already packed club to deal with. They had to attract their own crowd, not rely on a regular crowd that someone else built and maintains.....read: System & Viva Friday's It's real easy to throw a party when you already know it's gonna be packed before you even organize the party. Props to you guys for the great effort in really a tough environment!! Hope to see you guys out there again poundin' the streets Hartec

Thanks man its people like you who know whats up. I'll be out for your party in November if I dont see you before.

cheers!

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Originally posted by charmscars i believe they already do that in K/W

sorry i meant in TO..

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Originally posted by Hartec read: System & Viva Friday's It's real easy to throw a party when you already know it's gonna be packed before you even organize the party.

Lets not forget Guv Saturdays. The only way to do it is to build a following, be it the club or the promoter. For example, Destiny can throw an event just about anywhere and still draw a crowd. Or any Joe can throw a party at Guv on Saturday and it will be rammed.

With Viva's 1 year, TR was given the task of trying to pack a night that is not normally open at Viva. We pulled in approx 750 non-regular attendees (1100 people total), which was a complete success. We also had the benefit of not going up against anyone that night, hence contributing to the success of the event.

itikia

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Originally posted by itikia Lets not forget Guv Saturdays. The only way to do it is to build a following, be it the club or the promoter. For example, Destiny can throw an event just about anywhere and still draw a crowd. Or any Joe can throw a party at Guv on Saturday and it will be rammed. With Viva's 1 year, TR was given the task of trying to pack a night that is not normally open at Viva. We pulled in approx 750 non-regular attendees (1100 people total), which was a complete success. We also had the benefit of not going up against anyone that night, hence contributing to the success of the event. itikia

This is what i had in mind as well. I think it's really important for a new promoter to build a relationship and rapport with the rest of the community before getting highly involved with the scene. Perhaps bringing in J00F right away was just a risky move despite the good intentions behind it.

This is why I was suggesting that perhaps Fresh start off by first throwing smaller more intimate parties with local DJ's to get their name out in TO and provide everyone with an opportunity to see and feel what they're all about first. I'm sure after such an initiative, partygoers might be a lot more receptive for future events much like what Itikia said happens with Destiny.

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