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and only the die hard prog fans can not fall asleep with deep prog.

pathetic if you ask me, why dig youself a tuneless hole.

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Originally posted by TranceCluber for example ... some of you labels tracks like junkie xl prog trance and then label tracks like Sultan stuff prog house...so if djs like digweed,sasha,etc play both in the same set i mean cant be much fuckin difference yeah some is trancy some is more deeper some is tribal but its all progressive .... you guys seriously make me laugh and thats why i dont know why i try to explain the essense of prog music and what it really is and people just dont understand and grasp the concept ...

That's call Set Progression.

I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest of what you were on about, it has to be a joke, reflecting the fact your a member on progaddict. Nice Joke.

--djway

I believe that progressive trance is just trance, but the ones that dont have a main melody or huge climax. For example alot of the stuff off of Lightning (Banshee) like Body-Shock and Nova.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Dear, if you're going to be that way go the the GU forums. They "understand" your "progressive" "essence". Calling a genre "progressive" is like calling a genre "hard" or "deep". Hard or deep what?

well let me throw an example go to www.releaserecords.com check out new releases.. why is it they have whole section called progressive, and whole different section called house and trance??? are they just as clueless as me ??

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Originally posted by djway That's call Set Progression. I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest of what you were on about, it has to be a joke, reflecting the fact your a member on progaddict. Nice Joke. --djway

so what would you call john digweed as a dj?? Progressive house dj or a progressive trance dj?? or would he be called a Progressive house and trance dj if he plays both sides of the field as you state and thats called progression well wouldnt it be easier to label it progressive and no just say well im a prog house or a prog trance dj but i still play both. Like i said Prog tunes can be all over the board it can be as slow as 115bpm and as fast as 135bpm , it can be trancy , tribal,breaks, deep, housey,techy,etc but if these djs will play tunes that are all these different genres why would they be called a progressive dj?? its because progressive is not a direct sound its a vibe and mood setting tracks give out when played. Thats why djs like sander,sasha,digweed,jimmy they dont call them house djs or trance djs youll never see that why its because they arnt house or trance djs they are progressive djs. but whatever u guys have simply other views but ill garentee more you guys get into progressive scene youll understand what i mean when its more of a mood and vibe setting more so then a direct sound in a track.

Re: Progressive Trance

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Originally posted by Galapidate What are all your takes on it? By that I mean who are some artists/what are some tunes that you consider progressive trance? I was talking with someone on Oldo's a couple days ago who claimed that PvD was prog trance, but I didn't think so. What are your opinions?

PvD prog? Negative.

James Holden, Sander K , John '00' Fleming, Sasha (Sometimes), Digweed (Sometimes), Tiesto (on 'In My Memory' Album)

Deep Dish, even though they are prog-house, did some trancier remixes.

Oh and Oakenfold spins prog now.. Great Wall is great.

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Originally posted by dream_logic Thats true, but thats bordering on being just progressive...bleh...Im clueless then. :P

I agree with you guys.

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Originally posted by mto PvD prog? Negative. James Holden, Sander K , John '00' Fleming, Sasha (Sometimes), Digweed (Sometimes), Tiesto (on 'In My Memory' Album) Deep Dish, even though they are prog-house, did some trancier remixes. Oh and Oakenfold spins prog now.. Great Wall is great.

J00f? I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Galapidate J00f? I don't think so.

Why not? His remix of Cafe Del Mar is prog-trance to me.

And what about his album which is title 'Progressive'?

Or how about 'For Your Ears Only' ? Very progressive?

I know he has changed his style a bit lately. But still prog-trance to me.

Well, maybe not nowadays, since he spins a lot of psy now.

Most Gabriel and dresden stuff

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Originally posted by TranceCluber but whatever u guys have simply other views but ill garentee more you guys get into progressive scene youll understand what i mean

Back @ ya

--djway

I think that progressive is a "sub-genre"...

i mean if it is not...then HARD would also have to be it's own genre..since there is hard-trance, hard-techno, hard-house, hardcore, hardstyle etc etc...

So if hard is not its own genre then why should prog?...being there are MORE parts to the sub-genre HARD then prog...

Just doeant make sense to me...

But i did like how someone said Prog IS its own genre BUT is not called prog-house or prog-trance..it is ALL prog but sounds housier or trancier...that SORTA makes sense to me..

but i still say Prog is a subgenre of House and Trance...as Hard is...but hey thats me...

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Originally posted by TranceCluber ahhh some of you kids are cluess.... ok so what if its a adjective its what something is called..... we call trance and trance not much different .... i assume your not a prog listener because your statement really reflects that of a non prog listener or someone new in the genre. PROGRESSIVE is a well established genre ...if you have djs like digweed,sasha, sander,jimmy,etc calling it a genre on its own and calling it progressive, then hmmm whos right you or them i would more likely listen and take in from someoen who is one of the founders of the progressive movement.no offense to you just i dont think u realy understand prog for example ... some of you labels tracks like junkie xl prog trance and then label tracks like Sultan stuff prog house...so if djs like digweed,sasha,etc play both in the same set i mean cant be much fuckin difference yeah some is trancy some is more deeper some is tribal but its all progressive .... you guys seriously make me laugh and thats why i dont know why i try to explain the essense of prog music and what it really is and people just dont understand and grasp the concept ... Kids keep listening to your trance and stop filling your lives trying to figure out whats what or what is called what. Because the die hard prog fans know what its called and know what its refered to plain and simple.

Actually, I dont really listen to anything else at the moment besides prog and I dont entirely disagree with you either (nor do I slag off other genres). I know everyone (including the DJs you've mentioned a hundred times) calls the genre progressive, but I don't think thats entirely correct. Its just the easiest way to call it that everyone has followed doing.

what ever way you look at it, there is no wrong and right answer. and just because you have your own views doesn't make you the elite progressive whore that you think you are.

ps. try to get your head out of your own asshole

Progressive is really just a notion of the music moving forward. So there is always something new and fresh instead of the same old cookie cutter or formulaic sound.

Progressive trance = something on the trancier side of Progressive
Progressive house = something on the housier side of Progressive


Prog Trance:
Leama - Requiem for a Dream
Way Out West - Activity
Cass - Mind Rewind

Prog House:
Nu - Any Other Girl (Planet Funk Rmx)
John Creamer & Stephen K - I Wish You Were Here
Minilogue - Deeper Emotions

Yes, progressive trance rules. I've been spinning it for a while. My foavrites would have to be:
1.) Gradient - DDTB
2.) Joshua Ryan - Fury
3.) DJ Icey - Searching (Joshua Ryan remix)
4.) Dan Efex - The Prayr

Progressive trance =

DJs - Max Graham, James Holden and John 00 fleming.etc
Tunes - Productions from Max Graham, James Holden and The digital blonde. etc

I must say Leama & Moor are the hottest prog trance group at the moment, hands down.

Others include Human Movement, Voyager, Natious, Blackwatch, Maurice & Noble.

Atlas - compass Error (Tarentella & Redanka Remix) was the tune of 2002. Absolutely fab prog trance there.

From my understanding progressive is merely a subgenre of other genres not a genre in itself as you suggest. the genre following the word "progressive" indicates which it has borrowed the most sound or "flavor" from. People tend to think progressive means "the song progresses" but I contend it merely means that you can't use one encompassing definition for it. It changes from via at *least* two axioms. The producer producing it's own "interpretation" of progressive and current trends in production of such tracks (i.e. time).

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Originally posted by SuperFarStucker From my understanding progressive is merely a subgenre of other genres not a genre in itself as you suggest. the genre following the word "progressive" indicates which it has borrowed the most sound or "flavor" from. People tend to think progressive means "the song progresses" but I contend it merely means that you can't use one encompassing definition for it. It changes from via at *least* two axioms. The producer producing it's own "interpretation" of progressive and current trends in production of such tracks (i.e. time).

sick sig buddy!!!!

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Originally posted by Cobalt And please, not to be rude, but if you subscribe to the whole "don't label, just listen to good music!" thing, get the hell out of threads like this. Some of us do care, and it's insulting that you would swish away genre classifications just because you find them inconvenient or confusing. There are distinct differences. If you don't want to bother with them, that's fine. But don't go forcing others to abandon their efforts to describe music to a finer degree. It happens in every fucking genre thread that pops up.

^^ one of the best posts i've read in a while.

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