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Originally posted by 'mju:zik I'm just wondering, since you seem to always have such a negative view of Israel. What would you do if you found yourself as their elected leader? How would you deal with terror? Would you just pray for it to end? I'm really interested to know.

Oh Iam glad u asked that question,I believe that u dont answer fire with fire,that would just make things worse.If I was the leader I wouldnt go and try to take more land from Palastinians,there for there wouldnt be suicide bombings.If I was the leader I sould cut my relations with the U.S for sure and try to make peace with other Arab counties and wouldnt call all of them Terrorists,and last but not least I wouldnt attempt to make a god damn wall around Isreali terriotry.

Re: Re: Here is my attempt at resolving the mid-east crisis

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Originally posted by occrider Well at least you got Viber and Cyrus-King communicating with each other without the words "zionist" or "peices of shit" being thrown back and forth. No seriously, looking at both their sigs makes me laugh. I think that Cyrus and Melech have divorced (poor poor neglected Melech ... shame on you cyrus) and that new love is in the air

yes I gotta admit those guys have the best sigs ever!!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer If I was the leader I wouldnt go and try to take more land from Palastinians,there for there wouldnt be suicide bombings.

See this is where most of your misconceptions stem from. You don't realize that terror groups in the area are after the destruction of the "zionist state." They won't stop if you stop. They will always be after the land on which your (as the leader of Israel) people live.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer If I was the leader I sould cut my relations with the U.S for sure and try to make peace with other Arab counties and wouldnt call all of them Terrorists,and last but not least I wouldnt attempt to make a god damn wall around Isreali terriotry.

Ok, so you definately wouldn't be re-elected since you just alienated your only back-up and tried (unsuccessfully) to make friends with those who have killed your constituent's family members.
In fact you might be assassinated by some fanatics.

But lets say you are still in power.

What do you do when the terror groups tell you that its not good enough that you aren't carrying out any military actions or building any fences. They want you off their land (Israel) and keep bombing you. What do you do then?

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik See this is where most of your misconceptions stem from. You don't realize that terror groups in the area are after the destruction of the "zionist state." They won't stop if you stop. They will always be after the land on which your (as the leader of Israel) people live. Ok, so you definately wouldn't be re-elected since you just alienated your only back-up and tried (unsuccessfully) to make friends with those who have killed your constituent's family members. In fact you might be assassinated by some fanatics. But lets say you are still in power. What do you do when the terror groups tell you that its not good enough that you aren't carrying out any military actions or building any fences. They want you off their land (Israel) and keep bombing you. What do you do then?

Why are u looking at the worse case scenerio???so you think If I cut my relations with the U.S. there'll be more hate against Isreal??I highly doubt that,you see to many Arab countries U.S is considerd to be their biggest enemy,and since Isreal is on their side,it brings even more hatered in the arab worlds.
and I dont know if I mentiones this already,but I think getting rid of all the WMD would be a good start for the peace process.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Why are u looking at the worse case scenerio???so you think If I cut my relations with the U.S. there'll be more hate against Isreal??I highly doubt that,you see to many Arab countries U.S is considerd to be their biggest enemy,and since Isreal is on their side,it brings even more hatered in the arab worlds. and I dont know if I mentiones this already,but I think getting rid of all the WMD would be a good start for the peace process.

umm are you doging my question??

WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THE TERROR GROUPS TOLD YOU THAT THEY WOULDN'T STOP UNTIL YOU LEFT THEIR LAND (ISRAEL)?

there its in caps for you in case you didn't have your glasses last time

a vary smart senctence says:

If all Arabs put their weapons down - There will be peace in Mid East.
If Israel puts it's weapons down - There will be no Israel.

all pro-palestinian will immidiatly say its stupid
but if you think about it for a while, its so true, so unfair.

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Originally posted by Flotser a vary smart senctence says: If all Arabs put their weapons down - There will be peace in Mid East. If Israel puts it's weapons down - There will be no Israel. all pro-palestinian will immidiatly say its stupid but if you think about it for a while, its so true, so unfair.

its just funny because he constantly criticizes Israel's policies and military actions but can provide no realistic alternative.

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik its just funny because he constantly criticizes Israel's policies and military actions but can provide no realistic alternative.

Peace my friend it is called peace.War will bring no good to any sides.As u can see that method isnt working.

ooh and Floster I think you are wrong, if both sides put down their weapons,there will be peace,no one knows if that'll work,but worth trying dotn you think??

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik umm are you doging my question?? WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THE TERROR GROUPS TOLD YOU THAT THEY WOULDN'T STOP UNTIL YOU LEFT THEIR LAND (ISRAEL)? there its in caps for you in case you didn't have your glasses last time

you will always have resistance no matter what,since Isreal took Palastinians land away from them after all,so there will always be some hate toward Isreal.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer you will always have resistance no matter what,since Isreal took Palastinians land away from them after all,so there will always be some hate toward Isreal.

ok so then Israel should do nothing when "some hatred" comes in the way of dead women and children? thats a pretty disgusting view. what society would allow such acts to go unpunished? a society that you support apparently.

what's sadder is the EU's view on all of it...

hey we created them, but now, um, maybe it wasn't such a good idea...ok so lets abandon them completely and have backrow politicians create schemes of eliminating the accident that could soon spill over to Monte Carlo and all our favourite casinos.

so the Palestinians should do nothing when "some hatred" comes in the way of dead women and children?

it's just as easy to look at it from another angle..

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what's sadder is the EU's view on all of it...

what? unbiased, credible, respectable?

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Originally posted by tathi what? unbiased, credible, respectable?

I actually smiled ... it's funny to observe how historical ties relate with current policy and see how both sides defend their "altruistic" intentions.

i shouldn't have touched this thread, to busy to fend off a flame, i couldnt fucking help myself ;p

unbiased?

are you serious?

how can anything that is so intertwined be unbiased on any end?

and think back to the beginning, who attacked who on the eve of birth?

"it all began with begin"

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer ooh and Floster I think you are wrong, if both sides put down their weapons,there will be peace,no one knows if that'll work,but worth trying dotn you think??

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you will always have resistance no matter what,since Isreal took Palastinians land away from them after all,so there will always be some hate toward Isreal.

do you see a contradiction here?
i do

and please stop with the "Israel took Palestinians land away from them" propaganda deception

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Originally posted by Flotser and please stop with the "Israel took Palestinians land away from them" propaganda deception

I wont stop,because it is true

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik ok so then Israel should do nothing when "some hatred" comes in the way of dead women and children? thats a pretty disgusting view. what society would allow such acts to go unpunished? a society that you support apparently. what's sadder is the EU's view on all of it... hey we created them, but now, um, maybe it wasn't such a good idea...ok so lets abandon them completely and have backrow politicians create schemes of eliminating the accident that could soon spill over to Monte Carlo and all our favourite casinos.

You know when it may stop, when palestinians as a whole race are treated like humans, and not ants in which one can step on.

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Originally posted by Flotser do you see a contradiction here? i do and please stop with the "Israel took Palestinians land away from them" propaganda deception

PROPAGANDA????

the state of ISrael was established on the basis of removing the indeginous palestinian population. How is that not taking away their land?

you are beginning to let your denial consume you.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King PROPAGANDA???? the state of ISrael was established on the basis of removing the indeginous palestinian population. How is that not taking away their land? you are beginning to let your denial consume you.

guys, there were two threads i posted long essays about how palestinians WERE NOT TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR LAND... none of you have provided factual conterarguements to prove the oppisite but you refuse to change your views

http://www.sustain-memphis.org/israel_palestine.htm

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Israel declared its statehood in 1948 which resulted in the first Arab-Israel war. Israel was the victor in the conflict & took control over 78% of Palestine. Massacres by the new State of Israel followed their independence in order to expel the indigenous Arab population out Palestine

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/joshua/may7180.stm

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Israel in Palestine Today's Jews are quickly associated with the Promised Land of Joshua's time. However, the establishment of the State of Israel by the United Nations in 1948 raises many questions about that relationship. Palestine already was populated by over a half million people. Most were poor Arab farmers and artisans living in villages. Jewish settlers had been arriving for many years. They had purchased large sections of the land (usually from the few, big Palestinian landowners). By 1948, Palestine was a patchwork of Jews and Palestinians, most of whom were Arabs. That changed dramatically after Israel became a nation state. War broke out immediately between the new country and surrounding Arab nations. Over 725,000 Palestinians sought refuge in nearby lands, mainly in Lebanon. Following the war, the Israeli government began forcibly removing Palestinians from their lands. It also severely restricted Palestinian civil liberties and participation in the national economy. Between 1948 and 1967, nearly 400 Palestinian villages were completely razed. Almost all farmland owned by Palestinians was confiscated. Palestinian farmers were left with only small parcels of poor land. By the 1970s, more than half of it was in the Negeb desert region. (30) Religious beliefs about the Promised Land were not the bases of the Zionist movements that called for Israel's creation. What moved early Zionists were concerns for the political and cultural security of Jews. Most of the leading voices and founders of Israel, such as David Ben-Gurion, were secular Jews. Still, an historian points out that most Jewish settlers undoubtedly believed "that they had in some way been chosen to 'redeem the Land' and to displace the modern equivalent of the Philistines and Canaanites." (31) For that reason, secular political leaders drew on Promised Land imagery to justify their politics.

http://members.fortunecity.com/911/...i-apartheid.htm

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Israel was established as a Jewish state. It was not intended as a state for all of its citizens, Jews and non-Jews alike. Rather, it was primarily envisaged as a state for Jews, that is, a state of which every Jewish individual throughout the world would be a potential citizen. Thus, when the state was unilaterally established on 15 May 1948, it became imperative for its legislative body, the Knesset, to define in law those persons who would qualify as actual or potential citizens, and those who would be excluded - that is, non-Jews in general, and Palestinian Arabs in particular. This was done without undue delay. In 1950 the Israeli Knesset passed two laws: the Law of Return, defining the boundaries of inclusion ('every Jew has the right to immigrate into the country') and the Absentee Property Law, defining the boundaries of exclusion ('absentee'). Under these laws, every Jew throughout the world is legally entitled to become a citizen of the state of Israel upon immigration into the country, while some two million people, the 1948 Palestinian Arabs and their descendants, who were exiled as a consequence of the 1948-9 and the 1967 wars, are denied the rights of citizenship. Nevertheless, their right of return is universally recognized in international law and in repeated UN resolutions (beginning with Resolution 194 (III), 11 December 1948). They clearly exist. Yet, they are defined in Israeli law as 'non-existent', and as 'absentees', and they are excluded by law from actual or potential citizenship in the Jewish state.

These are but a few of the sites that back up my argument that ISRAEL was founded on the notion of REMOVING the PALESTINIAN population to make way for their pure jewish state.

Do not deny the INDEGINOUS population that was living there for the years prior to 1948.

The Zionist movement did not want to share thisantion with the arabs, that is why it is a JEWISH state.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King http://www.sustain-memphis.org/israel_palestine.htm http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/joshua/may7180.stm http://members.fortunecity.com/911/...i-apartheid.htm These are but a few of the sites that back up my argument that ISRAEL was founded on the notion of REMOVING the PALESTINIAN population to make way for their pure jewish state. Do not deny the INDEGINOUS population that was living there for the years prior to 1948. The Zionist movement did not want to share thisantion with the arabs, that is why it is a JEWISH state.

Thats nice, what your trying to prove is that Israel conducted a policy of "transfering" Palestinians during or after the 1948 war, yet not even the above unscholarly links backs this up.

Also I LOVED the consistency between your articles:

article 2 states: "Over 725,000 Palestinians sought refuge in nearby lands (after the 1948 war)"

article 3 states: "while some two million people, the 1948 Palestinian Arabs and their descendants, who were exiled as a consequence of the 1948-9 and the 1967 wars, are denied the rights of citizenship (in a 1950 Israeli law)"

Wow!!! That's some damn good sex! 725,000 people turning into 2 million in 2 years! By god, that means mothers (assuming femals are 50% of this population) would have to be churnning out at least 4 babies in a 2 year period.. oh wait thats unhumanly possiblem I forgot, glad your propaganda pieces don't even accept nature as fact (no! its not true Palestinian women can churn out 4 babies in 2 years, honest! They have a unique mass-production technique), it makes them easy targets for disproof.

There has been a research about what Israelians think about their country, 20% thinks that Israel is the biggest threat to world peace...

I will search for an English article about it, I can only find it in Dutch on this moment

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Originally posted by Az the situation in Israel, and the after effects it has created are blatantly the biggest threats to world peace, got nothing to do with biased media....

...and they have nukes too

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Originally posted by Ste ...and they have nukes too

so does pakistan what's your point?

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