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Originally posted by headrushmusic I'd like to say that the direction this thread needs to go in is not necessarily, "Why is PVD playing the same stuff over and over again," but rather, "Why are you listening to the same DJ over and over again?" I think it's perfectly fine for a DJ such as PVD to play a consistent set. He is marketing an album and promoting sales, and I hope as a result, getting more people who might otherwise be hooked on Top 40 now hooked on the sounds and sights of the dance music scene. But it's my opinion that veterans need to take their love for the music a level or two deeper and begin to explore the hundreds and thousands of talented DJs and Producers out there who aren't in the top 10, and who probably haven't made the Top 100 popularity polls, who are nonetheless gifted, talented, and who will blow your fucking mind with their music. Everyone is griping about the scene dying and they aren't getting support for gigs and record sales on one hand, and on the other, folks are griping that there is the same old same old with same old DJs. I suggest that if everyone takes their support to where there is new music, innovation, and a fresh perspective, you will start to see that there is a lot more than the same 20 tracks over and over and over again. You might hear something that inspires you, and you'll prolly save a lot of money, too. Pay attention to what's going on underground in your own back yards. I love PVD and Tiesto and the likes. They have given me some real eye-opening moments. But fans need to keep pushing and holding artists accountable by supporting a competitive marketplace that supports new creativity.

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can someone rename this thread to "official paul van dyk bashing thread"

lol

Yeah, Paul seems to like changing his opening tracks only once in a few months, but then again -- his opening tracks are mad cool. ^_^

there u go speed racer

thanks i feel better...let this thread be kept open


all pvd hatred..be put in here..and no more useless threads about this


all pvd haters take a deep breath and count to 10 backwards with your eyes closed and standing on one leg

I don't think anyone has spread any "hate" in this thread. (Okay, maybe the word "smack" is a little harsh). I think people's concerns are valid.

There's a difference between hate and expressing dissatisfaction, criticism or concern. Clearly people hold him in esteem; that's why they're expecting more out of him.

Any artist worth his salt wants constructive feedback about his work.

As I alluded to before, maybe people are just "growing out of" superstar DJ worship and it's time to move to the next level of dance music appreciation.

Whatever happens, I hope tranceaddict remains a place of free thought and discussion and allows people to voice their concerns. It would be a real disservice to the scene if people were never allowed to say they wished things were better.

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Originally posted by headrushmusic I don't think anyone has spread any "hate" in this thread. (Okay, maybe the word "smack" is a little harsh). I think people's concerns are valid. There's a difference between hate and expressing dissatisfaction, criticism or concern. Clearly people hold him in esteem; that's why they're expecting more out of him. Any artist worth his salt wants constructive feedback about his work. As I alluded to before, maybe people are just "growing out of" superstar DJ worship and it's time to move to the next level of dance music appreciation. Whatever happens, I hope tranceaddict remains a place of free thought and discussion and allows people to voice their concerns. It would be a real disservice to the scene if people were never allowed to say they wished things were better.

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Originally posted by Busy Child i would like to see him stop playin PVD reworks and remixes. Its getting to a point where i starting to believe that he plays a lot of reworks for mixing ease.

i'm with you on that. i am getting sick of hearing his reworks/ remixes all of the time. its like that same PvD bassline through out the whole set. the 1st time i saw PvD was @avalon a couple of years ago and he totally ripped shit up. then i saw him twice in the past 6 months and it felt like the same set (or wicked similar). I am all about PvD, he was the first dj that i can say i really got into, and the next time he comes around i will probably go see him but i hope that he mixes things up alittle bit. i think the most frustrating thing is that you know this guy is capable of some much more.
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I don't think anyone has spread any "hate" in this thread. (Okay, maybe the word "smack" is a little harsh). I think people's concerns are valid. There's a difference between hate and expressing dissatisfaction, criticism or concern. Clearly people hold him in esteem; that's why they're expecting more out of him. Any artist worth his salt wants constructive feedback about his work. As I alluded to before, maybe people are just "growing out of" superstar DJ worship and it's time to move to the next level of dance music appreciation. Whatever happens, I hope tranceaddict remains a place of free thought and discussion and allows people to voice their concerns. It would be a real disservice to the scene if people were never allowed to say they wished things were better.

OFF TOPIC...please just dont skip to the last page of the post and write something that doesnt really make sence. If you read the posts its Obviousely its not a hate thread and Obviousely i dont hate pvd, i just think he has to change some of the tracks he plays... Dropping the same tracks since 2002 gets old after a while, esp if he plays the same tracks @ the same venues... i dont really care wether its his reflections tour or not, NBY and ATRC have got to go. How many dj's actually double play tracks as much as pvd does it? Sometimes its cool to hear a good unknown song 2x but other then that its bleh..

Seriously i wouldn't get bored of it if it is dat damn good. I've been listening to Marmion's Schoneberg for about a dozen of years from now. If you are a tech-house/techno hardcore fan, you will understand. You may be hearing Heiko Laux's Sense Fiction over and over again for the gigs he spin It really makes no difference from most of the other tracks from either Ellen Allien or Dj Rush or Andrew Wooden. Ok maybe theres a little difference to some of you. But a style is still a style, it will follow its natural elements, you like it, you like it forever. Its my opinion.

About the PVD Bashing, Count me out. I like his style of music selection. Same synthlines, basstones and other basic elements. Its just like illustrating a pieace of artwork. Stick to your own style so ppl can reconize it easily.

A dj's style is what defines them as a dj at least PARTLY. The other thing that defines them as a dj is track selection and mixing (OBVIOUSLY). Tell Mauro Picotto to stop spinning the same techno tracks? Or James Holden to stop using the same tracks with the rolling bassline that he love so much. Or Sasha with his melodic atmospheric beautiful progressive music. You can't do it because then that dj wouldn't be doing what made you like them to begin with.

Well dude this year when he employed the least talent he got rank 2! thats all it takes, I think Paully waully needs a vacation personally, his productions need a brief rest me thinks and sounds like his sets do too, who ever said tiesto was better, ouch jolz

TRANCEADDICTS, UNITE! THIS IS NOT THE FORUM FOR BASHING VARIOUS TRANCE ARTISTS AND WAR, MUTINY WITHIN THE GENRE. WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE AND RESPECT THOSE GREAT DJS AND ARTISTS THAT MAKE ELECTRONICA A GREAT AND RESPECTABLE GENRE IT IS TODAY.

BASH ROCK, METAL, RAP AND OTHER JUNK, BUT UNITE AGAINST THOSE WHO BASH ELECTRONICA, WHO SAY THAT IT IS "THE MUSIC THAT ONLY GAY PEOPLE LISTEN TO"; "ANNOYING AND REPETITIVE"; "NO SKILL" ... THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO BE BASHED. CAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHAT GOOD MUSIC IS REALLY ALL ABOUT.

... THAT is unless some of you people have nothing better to do that to instigate these useless inflammatory threads ...

ooo neat thread, might as well plug in.

*smacks PVD with large trout*

That is why John OO Fleming is so awesome, he specifically tries to never repeat his sets when he plays gigs, that way you keep the fans on their toes as to what is going to be heard on the next track in the club. Unless PVD ditches his entire laptop and goes oldschool or plays selections from other artists, what is he to do. I don't mind hearing ATRC or NBY as long as it is blended into the set properly instead of listening to it as if it was off his CD, by this I mean have some of his earlier album songs sandwiched between them.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan That is why John OO Fleming is so awesome, he specifically tries to never repeat his sets when he plays gigs, that way you keep the fans on their toes as to what is going to be heard on the next track in the club. Unless PVD ditches his entire laptop and goes oldschool or plays selections from other artists, what is he to do. I don't mind hearing ATRC or NBY as long as it is blended into the set properly instead of listening to it as if it was off his CD, by this I mean have some of his earlier album songs sandwiched between them.

agreed

I have no quarrels with wot he plays apart from TOOL and NBY

tool is fine atm, till he plays it in every set till 2005

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Originally posted by gatecrasher I would not class the stuff he is playing recently as shit, I would be complaining if he was playing a repitive set which was crap but it is playing top quality stuff at the moment

most of the songs he plays, i have liked for a while and was excited about when i first heard them. but it is unlike pvd to repeatedly play the same entire bunch, and thats why people like me are sick of it.

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Originally posted by Busy Child i would like to see him stop playin PVD reworks and remixes. Its getting to a point where i starting to believe that he plays a lot of reworks for mixing ease.

very silly idea

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 LMAO @ this thread! Before the DJ Mag results came in all of you were like "PvD is #1!", "PvD is God!", "PvD is a fucking amazing producer!". Now he doesn't win and you begin to realize why. I guess it's time for most of you to jump OFF the bandwagon. It's about damn time.

well, one of us ******s, still things he is amazing. that doesnt mean one is blind to the obvious truth that he has not been mixing it up for a couple months. he will come around, and blow everyone away all over again... its just a matter of when he sacks the playlist. i went to see him twice in august, and im going to do it again this month.

as for you, you don't need to be blown away. u stay on your top quality production from dumonde bandwagon. you'll be happy there.

until u start Djing around the world, finding only time to listen to tunes in the post etc. etc. you can't judge PVD for playing the same tunes. I didnt like the bashing Tiesto got last year either - cos bashing them on similar sets is like cutting your own balls off. Why're you here if u get so bored of the music?

As for wtf does PvD rework a lot of the tunes to fit in his set. You just answered your own question dumbass.

I'm an obsessive tiesto fan... haven't heard a PvD set since about 1999, and don't give a shit about PvD... but no matter. You can't slate him just because he played the same tunes now as 12 weeks ago... after all that is August. Which is what u complained about.

Take a quick check on the releases / known productions upcoming releases for the past couple of months and let us all know how many of these trance tunes 'fit in' to PvD set and unique sound. Whereas Tiesto plays a mixed bag - satisfying everyone. PvD plays his own style his own sound... if there is nothing new out there that fits into that niche... wtf do you want him to do?

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Originally posted by umes23 . he will come around, and blow everyone away all over again...

and then you woke up from ur long dream

I agree that he tends to hold on to tracklists for a 2 month cycle. I was excited to hear Paul using Final Scratch bc I thought he would drop different tracklists at every gig, including classics and reworks....but some of these tracks are not even close to being good! On a positive note, however, you have to realize that the Amnesia set was from 2 months ago......so no worries...by the Time his gig at Roxy rollls along, I guarantee he'll have a new bag of goodies.... (fingers-crossed)

PS> This is the down-side for having the ability to listen his worldwide sets via recordings....

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