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| Originally posted by AndiH now that's wrong...mark snow made the theme from x-files |
Ok, I'm going to throw my own two cents in about the beginings of trance and what the word means.
First off, Goa was the original style of trance. I think it had its beginings in the early 80's though I'm not sure. Goa was named after this place in india where hippies used to congregate in large numders. Well, anyway these hippies discovered that this certain type of music had an incredible effect on the stoned mind; i.e. it would often send them into a particular 'tranclike' state of altered consciousness.
The reason for this is the BASELINE. While other forms of music have a rolling baselines where tempo and key centres often shift, trance has its steady 4/4 beat with a constant key centre. Im sure you all have noticed it. Thump...thump...thump...thump. If it doesn't have this, it's not trance. Trancelike songs with rolling or uneven baselines we call "progressive house" or just "progressive" or whatever.
Anyway,Goa was originally organic music, meaning that it was made with traditional instruments instead of electronic ones like synths. But, sometime around the nineties, producers started combining techno and progressive type sounds to the trance 4/4 baseline, and voila! the beginings of trance as we know it today.
And so there you have it, a brief and history of trance. I hope this wasn't too cofusing.
Hmmmmmm....I'm stupid. Its Bassline NOT baseline. Anyway, you get my point.
Trance seems to have been a steady evolution that took it�s shape from early club/dance music. Artists like Patrick Cowley were putting out stuff that was very trancey and that was around 1981. In fact, I heard PVD use a direct sample from Patrick Cowley�s �Menergy� in one of his sets (sorry, I don�t remember exactly which one) where he looped part of the song for about 7 or 8 minutes while bringing other stuff in and out of it.
Bobby Orlando was another producer from the 80s that you can hear a lot of trance beginning to take shape in his music. There are several other�s as well. I don�t think that there is really any defining moment as to the beginning of trance (although, a few claim to be the beginning of trance). I think as electronics and synths worked their way into the dance music scene (I hate the word �disco� so I won�t refer to it as such), trance is but one of many forms that evolved it�s way out of that. A gradual progression that will more than likely keep on progressing into ��who knows? If anyone knew that, they could be a very rich person. Then again, most artists that put out stuff ahead of it�s time were looked at as being weird or too different only to have that style become popular years later. Go figure, huh?
In respose to blankmind's post, the beginning of trance did not rely on the 4/4 bassline rotation as you described. House music used the 4/4 long before trance was around.
Almost all modern dance music has four beats in the bar, such as the thump...thump...thump...thump, house kick drum pattern your refering to. If you count this rhythm over alsmost any dance track, you will be able to identify the same basic 1,2,3,4 pulse. These fours, or 'bars' themselves fall into regular patterns or 'phrases'. And you can have 4,8, or 16 bar phrases. If you look at trance or house music new elements will be introduced or droped out every 8 or 16 bars. Granted there are some exceptions to this rule, like UK Garage for instance they use 2 beats per bar, which is how that musical genre was dubbed the title 2-step, most breakbeat follows that rule as well.
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IAM THE ULTIMATE TA! i tell u exactly how trance was born...
Trance is actually a subgenre of techno, techno started of in the 70's and 80's with artists such as depeche mode and kraftwerk, techno then evolved into many subgenres, trance was one subgenre of techno along with others that came about in the early 90's with artists like jam and spoon and dance 2 trance, trance was first played on the dancefloors of holland and germany then fused out across the globe, most ppl didnt even know trance existed in the early 90's though, it was only until the late 90's that trance really took off. And the name trance? well that was just given to the subgenre because listening to it makes you feel like you're in a trance! There you go proof that i indeed am the ultimate TA! muhahahahahaha!!
Instead of typing this out, I just decided to go find the damn website and paste it...
Breaking out of the German techno and hardcore scene of the early '90s, Trance emphasized brief synthesizer lines repeated endlessly throughout tracks, with only the addition of minimal rhythmic changes and occasional synthesizer atmospherics to distinguish them � in effect putting listeners into a trance that approached those of religious origin. Despite waning interest in the sound during the mid-'90s, trance made a big comeback later in the decade, even supplanting house as the most popular dance music of choice around the globe.
Inspired by acid house and Detroit techno, trance coalesced with the opening of R&S Records in Ghent, Belgium and Harthouse/Eye Q Records in Frankfurt, Germany. R&S defined the sound early on with singles like "Energy Flash" by Joey Beltram, "The Ravesignal" by CJ Bolland, and others by Robert Leiner, Sun Electric, and Aphex Twin. Harthouse, begun in 1992 by Sven V�th with Heinz Roth & Matthias Hoffman, made the most impact on the sound of trance with Hardfloor's minimal epic "Hardtrance Acperience" and V�th's own "L'Esperanza," plus releases by Arpeggiators, Spicelab, and Barbarella. Artists like V�th, Bolland, Leiner, and many others made the transition to the full-length realm, though without much of an impact on the wider music world.
Despite a long nascent period when it appeared trance had disappeared, replaced by breakbeat dance (trip-hop and jungle), the style's increasing impact on Britain's dance scene finally crested in the late '90s. The classic German sound had changed somewhat though, and the term "progressive" trance gained favor to describe influences from the smoother end of house and Euro dance. By 1998, most of the country's best-known DJs � Paul Oakenfold, Pete Tong, Tony De Vit, Danny Rampling, Sasha, Judge Jules � were playing trance in Britain's superclubs. Even America turned on to the sound (eventually), led by its own cast of excellent DJs, including Christopher Lawrence and Kimball Collins.
Havok what website did you find that on?
And on a side note where do you spin at in B-more, I use to live and Dj in the Baltimore and DC area.
www.allmusic.com is the site...
I have spun at a few really great underground parties, and as of late in a few small clubs around here. New party I got to open at in baltimore, where fever used to be held. Baltimore doesn't much care for trance though, so I stick mostly with the tribal stuff.
Scene around here as of late = 
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I left, cause the just don't support the trance scene there. I had a Sunday morning residency at PLUSH (yuk), and I played at 1722, Club Farenheit for the Merceury parties, and I played at TRACKS before it shut down, and the lizard lounge in DC, plus a few private raves around the area.
Ok Havok was right this site just about covers everything
check it out
www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=C2643
TRINTIY...so you had a Sunday morn gig too. I did Sunday mornings (6am) at a club (Greg's Blue Dot) in L.A. for about 4 years. The place was jumpin'.
Goa...
All I know is that the first Goa Trance releases weren't until about 1992 (looking at the CD reviews catalog at http://goatrance.free.fr ), altho they were playing trance (and other electronica) in Goa well before that.
Parties HAVE been going on the Goa region of India for a long time (since the 1960s?) but they didn't start playing electronic dance music until the 1980s. Before that they played stuff like Psychedelic Rock.
That's all I know on the topic of Goa and Trance..
But here's a good link to an article about Goa Trance:
http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/carts...sic/mh/goa.html
Here are some clips from that article:
"The music of the time (1970s) was, of course, nothing like the music that has come to be known as Goa trance. Boyd (1996) suggests the Grateful Dead. Ollie Olsen (in Cole, 1996d), who has collaborated with the pioneering Goa trance DJ, Fred Disko, recalls Disko telling him that around 1980 the staple beach party repertoire still consisted of the Doors, Neil Young, the Eagles and perhaps some Pink Floyd. The name Disko was given to him because he was one of the first to introduce electronic dance music to the scene. Another pioneer Goa trance DJ, Goa Gil, who was "one of the originators of the famous Goa full moon parties", played live with a band, and also DJed in Goa through the 1970s. When, at the beginning of the 1980s, he grew tired of the "rock/fusion/reggae" music he was spinning, he introduced "the first post-punk experimental electronic dance music coming from Europe, the neue deutsche welle, electronic body music" (Gil, 1996). Ray Castle supports this view, that "Goa techno trance actually originated from hard line, electronic body music, groups like Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, Frontline Assembly, as well as from Eurobeat."
"The freaks and the hippies used to collect the most mind-boggling psychedelic dance music they could find and bring it to India and play it at these parties, and we used to exchange this music......In the old days we used to call it "special music". It was very obscure and it was very hard to get your hands on. You were a real connoisseur or collector, and Goa was a kind of fraternity of obscure, weird psychedelic music collectors getting together, getting stoned, and getting off on the music; and sharing each other's music, exchanging it, copying it, and then making parties out of it."
"Until DAT (Digital Audio Tape) machines became common in the early 1990s, the predominant method of playback was using cassette decks. Playing vinyl recordings was never a realistic practice in the heat of Goa as the vinyl would easily warp. Castle (in Cole, 1996a) remembers DJ "Sven Vath coming to Goa with all his records wanting to be the techno pope of India, but he couldn't do it" Castle advises that "you've got to adapt to tape decks and DAT machines to pull off these parties and play for eight hours."
[I guess that's why many Goa DJs today spin off DAT or CDs]
"Despite the fact that an identifiable musical style or range of stylistic approaches to music played at Goa trance parties has existed at least since the mid 1980s, Ray Castle (in Cole 1996a, p. 9) believes "it wasn't until 1991 or 1992 that people went back to Europe, or Japan, or even Australia, and began making music specifically for psychedelic trance parties"."
Even if trance music in goa was one of the first styles of trance, I think maybe it evolved more out of Techno... That would make more sense, cuz the name TRANCE would seem to best describe music that IS repetative and trance inducing, unlike most modern trance music. Maybe it evolved from Techno dance music that DJs brought to goa from Europe for their parties and started modified (re-mixing). Hmmm...
The article does a good job of explaining the philosophy of goa enthusiasts. They are against the commercialization and standardization of the music...
Here's a good quote on that matter from the article:
"Melbourne-based Goa DJ Steve Psyko (in Cole 1996b, p. 6) maintains that Goa raves in European cities are now attended by "a very mainstream crowd", and that he and his friends are dissatisfied with the way the genre has been stereotyped and commodified. Psyko claims that "the English... have decided that Goa trance is just one kind of music." This he believes is very "un-Goa", that "in the beginning the feeling from Goa music is...anything goes." "
That is all.
Sal
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| Originally posted by Johnny Eckhardt TRINTIY...so you had a Sunday morn gig too. I did Sunday mornings (6am) at a club (Greg's Blue Dot) in L.A. for about 4 years. The place was jumpin'. |
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Well actually we did call it "Church". The place was packed...every Sunday. There was a big all night dance club called "Probe" just a few doors down and then at 6am (when it's legal to start serving liquor again in California) everybody would come down to "Greg's Blue Dot" and the party continued all the way until closing (2am) on Sunday night. It was pretty wild. I would play from 6am until around 1 or 2pm (and that was after playing from 8pm until 2am on Saturday night).
Johnny sounds like you and I were fellow 'Vampires' Plush would reopen at 6am when it was legal to serve alcohol. It was a decent venue until they got new management. I was the resident, and every morning I'd show up to Dj, there would be at least 2-3 other local Djs there who were not scheduled to play, the management just wouldn't say No! to people. So now before I would start I have to sort everything out.
When the crowd was good the place would jump, but every now and then we got the "Crackhead" crowd, those clubbers who didn't want to party anymore, but they didn't want to go home either, so they would just sit in the club until closing time at 10:30am
It was a great learning experience about Djing and how to run a club.
i know that the start was around 1989, with people like paul oakenfold, bringing sounds back to england from ibiza. Or atleast that is what it says in one of my album booklets. But i dont think england is the most advanced, but it is somewhere around 89
Okeis... this is what I found .
For the TRANCE :Trance evolved from German Techno, using the rolling bass and sizzling keyboards of techno to give the music a hypnotic flowing effect, yet retaining all the driving, pulsating energy of it's true techno roots. Attributes: synth/sample-driving, pounding basslines, complex cyber-sounding keyboards, usually instrumental. 128 to 150 BPM. Examples: Aphex Twin, HardTrance Acsperience, Cosmo, Raver's Nature, Marusha and anything on the Harthouse, D-Jax, Rough Trade, or EX labels.
And for the GOA TRANCE :Goa was born in Germany where trance also comes from. Trance grew in Germany and that�s where everyone who knows it has got it. Goa is known for the peace, love, and sun. Trance was played on a lot of beach parties and because of its warm climate of �goa� vinyl would melt. Thus, the music was put on DAT and wasn�t mixed, and that�s why the tracks have an intro, climax, and an outro. Goa trance is played all over the world and the public seem to enjoy it more because it is more �relaxing� and �easy-listening� style than other types of trance. A lot of various "branches" have been born with experimental mixing; voodoo trance, astral trance. Sample CD's: Man with no name, The Best of Goa Trance Vol. I, Vol. II, Vol. III, Astral Projections
Well, in somewhat different from what others have given , this is my small collaboration though
patticus... clubbing dont stop at 6am 
up here in sheffield, if u are hardcore enough for it u can go right thru til midnight sunday, these places tend to be hard house or similarly hard music types.. e.g. destination after gatecrasher tonmight = insomniacz thats if they aint searchin so harsh on the doors this week...
fuckin wicked thread by the way, it aint often we get fresh ideas for threads in here, but a few seem to be popping up this weekend. i havent been into trance long enough (3 years) to know much about the early days though, i spose i need to get some research done heheh
peace
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