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Dance music is a totally american import. we invented disco, techno, and garage music

NO NO NO NO

you stole it and claimed it as your own

disco was based on the work of a GERMAN GROUP called Kraftwerks. Disco was based on that then house formed....then techno formed from chicago house and what jean michel jarre was doing (he is french btw). Garage formed from house...but had some help with some other producers Francois K (french), Giorgio Moroder (Italian). So to say that you invented it all when it was all based on the electronic sounds of a german group and did I forget to mention that the first dj was english aka jimmy sommerville. You have just been owned, Americans had a decent part in music but so did people from a lot of other countries. If you don't believe me, look it up.

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[i][b]it's not a connection of emotional growth, or happiness from that one song you hear off the paulvD album. .

i mean it is a connection of emotional growth, or happiness from that one song you hear off the paulvD album or whichever else

Disco never died and the Europeans never adopted it. The americans took ideas from non americans...push the sound...then non americans took the sound and made their own take on it. So technically it was just full circle.

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Originally posted by hardstyle and how are you able to put words in my mouth by saying that if i did live in europe i wouldn't like it bc the trance is mainstream. eh, " I never said if you would liuve in Europe then you wouldnt like trance. I just saying that is so stupid to say that if it would be Mainstream in America it wouldnt be as good as when its underground,

listen... It's a matter of complicating the music with what WE, westerners, think as the approperiate image.

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Originally posted by hardstyle Here the translation Dance well vor 500 miljonen and 11,000 job In the Dutch dancescene an amount of at least 500 miljonen euro per year goes for.Thereby the sector is well for about 11,000 jobs.That becomes clear from a report of KPMG. In the repport stands further that dance alsculturele stroming an important place in the Netherlands innemt.KPMG did the research for media - and entertainmentbedrijft ID&T.It is for the first time that the phenomenon dance has been mapped

people need to read up before they make these bastard claims..americans invented everything....so you going to say that you invented the automobile as well?

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Originally posted by hardstyle and how are you able to put words in my mouth by saying that if i did live in europe i wouldn't like it bc the trance is mainstream. eh, " I never said if you would liuve in Europe then you wouldnt like trance. I just saying that is so stupid to say that if it would be Mainstream in America it wouldnt be as good as when its underground,

I don't think it's stupid at all. I'm sorry that you find it appealing to have the whole US love electronica. That's just not what appeals me, and I'd rather it stay underground, and bet more people have the same intentions as me. First off, it is simple that the US does not find it appealing, and therefore it will not sell. And no moolah, then no publicity. it would not sound great in the states if the music were mainstream. it's not really the music that wouldn't sound good, it would moreover be the idea that it is mainstream although the US does not want it? i mean...to want it to be mainstream, and the reality that it will not makes sense right?

taking a line from pete tong

the underground scene in the united states is so healthy that if you tried to stop it now, you could'nt.

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Originally posted by hardstyle and how are you able to put words in my mouth by saying that if i did live in europe i wouldn't like it bc the trance is mainstream. eh, " I never said if you would liuve in Europe then you wouldnt like trance. I just saying that is so stupid to say that if it would be Mainstream in America it wouldnt be as good as when its underground,

I don't think it's stupid at all. I'm sorry that you find it appealing to have the whole US love electronica. That's just not what appeals me, and I'd rather it stay underground, and bet more people have the same intentions as me. First off, it is simple that the US does not find it appealing, and therefore it will not sell. And no moolah, then no publicity. I think the numbers are fine, and no numbers need to prove how good it sounds. I don't need it to be mainstream for it to be proved to me that "hey, trance is greattt!". I know it is. And the fact that I can go anywhere in the world and see the same faces is amazing. The scene is like that, where the people who listen are committed. I don't want some lameass people coming into the scene or a club not knowing what this music is. I.E this girl in atlanta just embarrassed the hell out of herself at ferry corsten's gig. she knows he she is, and her boyfriend probably felt like shit for bringing her. Need i say more to defend my position?

But deejays like ferry see her as the future of music. You hook people like that on music, you gain a wider audience. The scene in any music will always have 2 parts the mainstream and the underground.

my thing posted 2 times? :-\

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Originally posted by torontotrance people need to read up before they make these bastard claims..americans invented everything....so you going to say that you invented the automobile as well?

no kidding

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq

PRICELESS

See I rather ppl not make bold statements. Prove to me why you think it is true with evidence. I know my history pretty well about music.

Torontotrance are u talking to me? lol

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq

LOL!! I know someone who has that poster!

actually I was talking to the f00 who claimed americans invented everything really. Underground and Mainstream can be debated forever but their is no REAL ANSWER because it's opinion. The americans invented music has facts, I asked some house legends on a few different conversations and they said they took influence from the Germans. Then again, I doubt any place can claim they invented anything because people always take ideas from others.

Politically, the US wants to claim the world. So why not give them the claim for everything so little to make there head a little smaller. The US claims shit.

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Originally posted by torontotrance actually I was talking to the f00 who claimed americans invented everything really. Underground and Mainstream can be debated forever but their is no REAL ANSWER because it's opinion. The americans invented music has facts, I asked some house legends on a few different conversations and they said they took influence from the Germans. Then again, I doubt any place can claim they invented anything because people always take ideas from others.

ok now calm down you have already proved a valid point. it was never my intention to claim that EDM was invented soley by americans, my point was clearly a general one in which most early house and techno records came from the US. you have said yourself, this whole thing can go full circle ie. with influences, intruments and machinery etc. honestly, there is no need for the anti american rhetoric. reading my statement over, maybe my choice of words like "totally" gave you or anybody else the wrong impression. from there i claim my mistakes

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Originally posted by TranceXposure I don't think it's stupid at all. I'm sorry that you find it appealing to have the whole US love electronica. That's just not what appeals me, and I'd rather it stay underground, and bet more people have the same intentions as me. First off, it is simple that the US does not find it appealing, and therefore it will not sell. And no moolah, then no publicity. it would not sound great in the states if the music were mainstream. it's not really the music that wouldn't sound good, it would moreover be the idea that it is mainstream although the US does not want it? i mean...to want it to be mainstream, and the reality that it will not makes sense right?

Well media does play mainstream crap ,and people on radio, and music magazin call that techno, thats why many people think techno sux, becouse they hear all those stupid songs. If the media would play decent dance music on radio , maybe some people would like it becouse its good and not becouse its "cool to like it"

You cant say every single people would like trance becouse "its cool to like it "

You dont like it becouse its cool, so many all the trance addict, you like it becous you love the music.So im sure there would be many people who would think just like you about real trance

americans don�t invent nothing...see albert eintein and other...they import heads from anothers countrys...

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Originally posted by hardstyle Well media does play mainstream crap ,and people on radio, and music magazin call that techno, thats why many people think techno sux, becouse they hear all those stupid songs. If the media would play decent dance music on radio , maybe some people would like it becouse its good and not becouse its "cool to like it" You cant say every single people would like trance becouse "its cool to like it " You dont like it becouse its cool, so many all the trance addict, you like it becous you love the music.So im sure there would be many people who would think just like you about real trance

ok, lol, this is funny. wait let me think. alrite i got it:
you say that people think techno sucks because they hear all those stupid songs. Umm...maybe those songs you think are stupid, some people around the US actually like because they took a britanny spears sound and sped it up with some dance beats. They like it because they're turning pop into a dancier version. It's not true that they DOn'T like it. Many people have been telling me that they love the "techno" music that has been playing on the radio saturday nights. WHY? umm...maybe because it's what they like, but only with this dancable beat. It's some rap song, or pop, or what not. People say what they mean to be electronica sucks, not because of the music on the radio, but because they don't even know what they're talking about to begin with when they call it "techno". uhm...techno and trance are 2 diff. subgenres of electronica. They would not like it because it is emerging. it is not what generations after generations have been hearing. This is not the sound of america. I like it because i'm euro and asian, and what else should i say than that's how i live? You can't "bring me into it" lol....There may be many people that would like it. But to defend the point the nation should give it a chance is not a strong one. It would not last.

if EDM followers bought one cd a month, I think cd stores would carry more stuff.

The problem with EDM fans is that they download and don't buy shit, why would the retail stores care about carrying stuff that no one buys.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek if EDM followers bought one cd a month, I think cd stores would carry more stuff. The problem with EDM fans is that they download and don't buy shit, why would the retail stores care about carrying stuff that no one buys.

Exactly. but was this the thread where a guy was TRYING to find electronica cds to buy? but yes, retail stores won't stock what won't profit. and if the masses don't put there hands up for buying, then we're ready for getting our music somewhere else. lol

effin awesome tortoise, ur juz made my day. I'm definately heading there this week.

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