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only newbies spin cds

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Originally posted by Clyde77 only newbies spin cds

So you're saying Ferry, Armin, Joof, and countless other big name djs are newbies? What an ignorant comment. Learn how to dj first. Use all that is available to you. To limit yourself to vinyl only is pretty much shooting yourself in the foot.

The only reason I can see for why people prefer vinyl over everything else is because it looks cool. If you think there is a difference in sound quality, you should lend your ear to the mountain rescue so they can use your ear to listen for trapped avalanche survivors. For all intents and purposes, over a big sound system in a club or event, you can't really tell the difference between cd and vinyl.

I don't think alot of you realize that alot of DJs use CD turntables with their vinyl turntables. Say that DJ produces a song and he want to play it...but it has not been pressed to vinyl...they'll burn it to CD and spin it from CD. As long as it sounds good I can care less.

I guess I'm not really concerned so much with the skill level of the DJ using whatever medium so much as I'm concerned with the death of a certain medium.

I just bought my turntables last year. I bought them over cds cause cdj's are more expensive and the availability of quality trance songs on cd is low. If there was a download club that had trance music that was quality and cd equipment was less expensive I would have bought them.

Weymouth

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Originally posted by Spuds6s I guess I'm not really concerned so much with the skill level of the DJ using whatever medium so much as I'm concerned with the death of a certain medium.

Look, vinyl out lived 8 tracks and cassette tapes...I think its had quite a run and probably more successful than ever imagined. There will always be diehards out there that use and collect it still no matter what.

Vinyl's a club gimmick now.
Thank god they invented CD Walkmans so I can listen to music while exercising instead of exercising by carrying around the music!


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There's nothing quite like hearing a song played from a vinyl. I don't know much about the technicalities of it all, but somehow they just sound good.

Interesting topic.

Looks like there is some kind of a "moral dilemma" in using vinyl emulators like CDJ-players and Final Scratch, and CD players with so-called "auto-mix" functions. There is probably no "final answer" to what is right and what is not right to use. As said before in the topic, it is the quality of the mix that matters, not the mixing equipment.

But it is true that we are in a transition period between vinyl and vinyl emulators. Stuff like Final Scratch and the Pioneer CDJ-1000 player are seriously used among the pros. I think it is kinda sad IMHO to see a vinyl culture so strong slowly turning towards other formats. The idea of using vinyl instead of other stuff is simply what that has made DJ-ing so popular, and I think that it is the most important reason to why DJ-ing is an artform and not just the act of pressing the "Play"-button. There is so much more skill involved.

I think ameture DJ's will continue to buy vinyl, but professionals will start spinning more and more Cd's.

I think all the cdj bashing was intended towards people who only use cd's. Im pretty sure every1 knows that the big names use cd's ALONG with thier vinyls. Please stop all the "noob" talk. lolz.

well, vinyl is more personal, has a better feel, looks better, makes up for a better atmosphere etc etc ; but it is an old technology without future. i think the future will bring us different wild designs for cdj's/vinyl emulators with endless possibilities. seems like many fear people without skill will take advantage of those technologies and get undeserved recognition.. but nowadays that already happens with vinyl - look at tiesto and half of the dj mag top 10 and compare their skills to the top techno dj's like beyer & co.

i think the problem is all in the mentality. why in hell there is such strong hate against cdj's? the only reason that i can think of that makes sense is that many of these cdj's are newbies who download all their music and don't support the artists. if you play vinyl it's cause you bought the music, no doubt. but if someone buys all their cd's and mixes them with cdj's, shouldn't they get recognition as well? i'm not a dj, don't have any experience mixing with hardware, but seems it isn't harder to mix with vinyls than with cd's - it's just a matter of personal preference, right?

in the future the mentality will change, without any doubt. people will accept cdj's. and i go even more far - one day people will accept dj's that give the beatmatching task to the computers and focus in something else, like sampling, looping, etc, even producing live! but by that time, the TA's will be 50 year olds that just keep moaning that 'in our time everything was better, we used vinyl, that was so cool'. just like our parents say that in their time everything was better, and Bee Gees were teh kewl.

and i agree on stuff like final scratch being the next big thing.

ok guyz truthfully it hurts you to think and recognize that digital is the future. Every DJ will evolve to digital and that's the end of it. Even though 2 or 3 of you will stay faithfull to vinyl who gives a shit. Your #1 DJ will use cd's.

greetings,
Mario .

I don't understand those people who are saying that vinyls will never die. It doesn't matter how much you want to use vinyls oer CDs if these record labels keep folding then there won't be any vinyls to play. You aren't even going to have a choice in the matter, which is why buying the music is so important for the electronic music scene. If people continue to stop buying the music then vinyls aren't going to last much longer.

I'm sure there are many on these boards that are not DJs, myself included at the moment. I don't have turntables but that still doesn't stop me from buying the music. Even though I don't have turntables I have about 40 vinyls because as far as I know, around here you can't buy CD singles. I will admit though that I do download music, but as a tool to help me decide whether or not I want to buy the music. If I like the song I will buy it once it reaches my local record store but it normally takes a while for new tunes to get here and there is still stuff that I miss altogether but at least I'm making an honest effort to support the artists, which is essential for the survival of vinyl.

Cheers.

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Originally posted by YellowG555 If you think there is a difference in sound quality, you should lend your ear to the mountain rescue so they can use your ear to listen for trapped avalanche survivors. For all intents and purposes, over a big sound system in a club or event, you can't really tell the difference between cd and vinyl.

Haha what�s up with your ears man ??

I hear a difference between mp3 and vinyl even on my 4.1 home speakers.. The different is not that big but anyways..

CDs can�t beat Vinyls in soundquality..

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Originally posted by theb like common, pvd for example puts no effort into his sets no more with his entire set played from his laptop.

PvD said once he remasters his tracks on the laptop again so he needs 45 minutes for each track.. Just because it sounds a bit better.


I guess that�s some effort...

Red Jerry is totally wrong about that. CDJs may continue to gain popularity but vinyl is the stuff of legends and there is no way that it will ever die.

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Originally posted by Bluephase I think ameture DJ's will continue to buy vinyl, but professionals will start spinning more and more Cd's.

interesting comment... i sorta agree with you, amatures will alwasy be behind the game hence buying played out new releases.. while pro djs will spin mostly out of cds since they stay ahead of the game in playing new unreleased stuff.

in the end, no matter what medium you use, talent and dedication usually wins.

but vinyl will always have a place in my heart

A lot of the mystique of going to a club is seeing a dj spinning on the decks. Most of the people I know don�t have record players but appreciate this fact. The future will be a fusion of digital and analogue (as we already see now, eg as said before about Ferry using both CD and vinyl.) I don�t see turntablists like Dj Krush and Dj Shadow disappearing soon whose style depends on vinyl Infact I say the popularity of records/scratching is rising.

These industry professionals have been predicting the death of vinyl since the invention of the audio cassette. For pop music it's been pretty much dead, but for everything else it's still there (especially with indy artists.) To me digital music lacks a soul, when I turn on my parents old jukebox full of old records I get a buzz that the flashiest new mp3 playing dvd player lacks (the sweet smell of ozone from the vacuum tubes heating up.)

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Originally posted by paranoik0 i think the problem is all in the mentality. why in hell there is such strong hate against cdj's? the only reason that i can think of that makes sense is that many of these cdj's are newbies who download all their music and don't support the artists.

I think it spans from your stereotypical cheesy/disco DJ setup. Look back at the type of DJ's that would use CD mixers a few years back

i heard that pioneer released DVDJ DVD player which is going to replace standard CDJ cd players... now they are going to produce a mixer which can mix audio and video as well... that sounds interesting

Will vinyl die? Probably not. But at the same time, I can't understand the romanticism you guys have to vinyl. At the club you should be doing other stuff rather then watch how many cds a dj plays.

what like taking our shirts off and showing off our pecs, then taking some drugs and rubbing your nuts up on some girl whose been trying to get away from you all night?

if vinyls go away.. maybe the 8track will come back

anyone ever thought that dvd might be the future it has way more capacity than a cd, can be played in same size players + quality is superior

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