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In an interview on Israel's Channel One's "Yoman" program, February 1, 2002, Ami Ayalon, a past head of Israel's Shin Bet security services said: "Shooting an unarmed youth is totally illegal. I am very disturbed by the number of children who were killed over the last year and a half. Was each one of these incidents a case where there was no choice and we had to shoot to kill? This is a question that should disturb all of us."

In a Press Release B'Tselem stated: "In every city and refugee camp that they have entered, IDF soldiers have repeated the same pattern: indiscriminate firing and the killing of innocent civilians, intentional harm to water, electricity and telephone infrastructure, taking over civilian houses, extensive damage to civilian property, shooting at ambulances and prevention of medical care to the injured" B'Tselem, A Deadly Pattern Press Release, 12 March 2002, http://www.btselem.org/

Physicians for Human Rights USA investigated the high number of Palestinian deaths and injuries in the first months of the Intifada and blamed both Israelis and Palestinians for unneeded deaths. It concluded though that: "the pattern of injuries seen in many victims did not reflect IDF (Israel Defense Forces) use of firearms in life-threatening situations but rather indicated targeting solely for the purpose of wounding or killing" http://www.phrusa.org/research/fore...ommentary.html.

Re: 2 scenarios

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Originally posted by Palestinian Two scenarios: Scenario 1: The Palestinians launch a rocket into the heart of Tel Aviv knowing that IDF soldiers would be present there at the time. They hope that the rocket will kill the soldiers and not harm the civilians. Good strategy isn't it? It's Israel's strategy.

It discusts me how you compere Hamas Leaders and Israeli Soldiers.

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Scenario 2: As Cyrus told us before, let's say a top member of Hamas was in a crowded street in Tel Aviv. Israel bombs the street and hopes civilians won't be harmed. How is that? Again, this is Israel's strategy in the Occupied Territories.

blaaah, how can you say it is the israeli startegy?
when have israel actually "bombed" a crowded street? (maybe except the incident with Muhamad shade where a big bomb was used). or maybe you are talking about how Russia fights in Chechnia?

and i liked the idea with the scenarios, so here is one:
Scenario 1: A palestinian - brainwashed hamas member with a bomb around his weist makes his way to Tel-Aviv (the wall is not ready yet, and PLO doesnt even try to fight hamas), looks around... searches a place where he can obtain the largest amount of casulties.... BOOM

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Originally posted by Flotser It discusts me how you compere Hamas Leaders and Israeli Soldiers.

Oh yes, I don't hesitate to compare them.

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when have israel actually "bombed" a crowded street?

Someone's been away from the world in his own little fantasy land.

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Originally posted by Palestinian Someone's been away from the world in his own little fantasy land.

AHAHHAHAHaaaa... very true

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Originally posted by Palestinian Someone's been away from the world in his own little fantasy land.

ok, forget what i've said, i meant that ussualy helicpoters are used with smart missles. most of air strikes - not helicopters are used on building\bomb factories etc. not "crowded streets"

lets look at you scenario 2 again,

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Scenario 2: As Cyrus told us before, let's say a top member of Hamas was in a crowded street in Tel Aviv. Israel bombs the street and hopes civilians won't be harmed. How is that? Again, this is Israel's strategy in the Occupied Territories.

if this memebr was in a crowded strret in Tel-Aviv, police would have sorround him and arrest him! why the fuck bomb? thats exactly what PLO security forces were established and given weapons for. if palsetinians dont arrest them, israel does what it can.

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Originally posted by Flotser ok, forget what i've said, i meant that ussualy helicpoters are used with smart missles. most of air strikes - not helicopters are used on building\bomb factories etc. not "crowded streets" lets look at you scenario 2 again, if this memebr was in a crowded strret in Tel-Aviv, police would have sorround him and arrest him! why the fuck bomb? thats exactly what PLO security forces were established and given weapons for. if palsetinians dont arrest them, israel does what it can.

You really dont get it through your head do you...what weve been trying to tell you is exactly that....that what isreal WOULD do! They WOULD not strike a crowded tel aviv neighborhood, but WOULD strike a crowded Palestinian neighborhood if the same terrorist was there.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King You really dont get it through your head do you...what weve been trying to tell you is exactly that....that what isreal WOULD do! They WOULD not strike a crowded tel aviv neighborhood, but WOULD strike a crowded Palestinian neighborhood if the same terrorist was there.

Actually you dont get me,
Israel will not strike in tel-aviv, because police can approach and catch the suspect without being afraid that all the people on the street will try to blowthemselves up on you, or shoot at you, or if there is a sniper on a roof waiting for the police to come, Tel-aviv is their natural place

Gaza is the natural place for PLO security forces, but they dont use that fact for catching those "high Hamas members". Gaza is not natural place for Israeli security forces. thats why helicopters are used often.
and thats exatclty what i've said!

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Originally posted by Flotser Actually you dont get me, Israel will not strike in tel-aviv, because police can approach and catch the suspect without being afraid that all the people on the street will try to blowthemselves up on you, or shoot at you, or if there is a sniper on a roof waiting for the police to come, Tel-aviv is their natural place Gaza is the natural place for PLO security forces, but they dont use that fact for catching those "high Hamas members". Gaza is not natural place for Israeli security forces. thats why helicopters are used often. and thats exatclty what i've said!

Again, you fail to understand that the IDF will strike palestinians becuase they dont give a shit, but if the same terrorist was in Tel Aviv, there wouldnt be a strike.. Its disgusting how you are trying to justify the inhumane tactics your filthy occupational military executes. Do you think its good to bomb crowded areas to kill one person?

Like you said about "arresting" these terrorists,,, why cant Israel do that? Simple....they are just palestinians.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Like you said about "arresting" these terrorists,,, why cant Israel do that? Simple....they are just palestinians.

you are not stupid, you can answer it yourself.

Rockets into streets, an Israeli policy

First of all, Israel always fires rockets into crowded Palestinian streets. Secondly, if Israeli police could not or would not arrest the suspect (who should have a trial), then would it be legitimate for an Israeli helicopter to launch a rocket into a crowded Tel Aviv street? Because this is the kind of policy Israel takes in the Territories.

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Originally posted by Palestinian First of all, Israel always fires rockets into crowded Palestinian streets. Secondly, if Israeli police could not or would not arrest the suspect (who should have a trial), then would it be legitimate for an Israeli helicopter to launch a rocket into a crowded Tel Aviv street? Because this is the kind of policy Israel takes in the Territories.

Its easy what you 2 guys say.
we dont want PLO itself to go and arrest terrorsits.
we dont want Israeli army to enter palestinain Cities.
we dont want Israel to use helicopters to kill high hamas memebrs.
we want israli blue police to run arround Gaza and put handcaps on terrorists ... while wearing their fashionable israeli blue uniforms.
ehhh...we want those terrorsit to prosper, plan and carry out suicide bombings, ...... we even want to marry one

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