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american football is not a copy of rugby nor is it a pussy sport. If you've played a real game of american football and then you call it a pussy sport then i have nothing to say, but if you've never played and have only watched it on tv then please stfu.

soccer is cool, a bit slow but i watch it sometimes with my dad because he loves that stuff. if you really want to watch soccer in the US forget espn sportcenter and all that jazz just turn to the spanish channels on tv. they only have mexican soap operas and soccer on those channels.

personally i like american football better, but i have nothing against soccer it's just not my thing.


and dammit stop comparing american football to soccer, the games are so fundamentally different.

uhm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omegasox
Why does everyone always bring up the "Why do they call it football when they hardly use their feet" in every single American football thread.


Funny tho it's always the same person echoing the anti-American sentiments.


Why are we anti-Americans when we wanna find out why you call American football=football.Its just they use they hand and not they feet.

Some people said its becouse when the game starts and after the touchdown they kick the ball. Still , do they reallly use they feet in that sport?

And soccer is the short name of association football

Ok to end this discussion once and for all here is the reason american football is called football.

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Pre 1900 At the turn of the seventeenth century, English colonial settlers brought the game of soccer (more commonly known as football around the world) to the United States. The game was introduced to colleges some 200 years after the game first came to the United States, and in 1867, the first set of rules for American football were drawn up at Princeton College. The Princeton rules, as they were called, specified twenty-five players to a team, with the rules the same as football (soccer). About the same time, Rutgers also formulated a set of rules, and Rutgers and Princeton met for a game on 6 November 1869 at New Brunswick. Rutgers' rules were a modified version of the London Association Football rules. The game was essentially the same as football (soccer), but the ball could be batted with the hand, but running with the ball and throwing it was not allowed. The goals were the same width as football (soccer), 7.3 metres (24 feet) and the pitch measured 110 metres by 69 metres (360 feet by 225 feet). The winner was the first team to score six goals. Rutgers won 6-4. The teams met again two weeks later, using Princeton's rules, with the first team to eight goals winning. Princeton's rules also allowed for a free kick to be given when a clean catch was made. Princeton won 8-0. The game became popular in other colleges, especially Columbia and Yale. Harvard revived football in 1871 and they played what was known as the 'Boston Game'. That was again very similar to football (soccer), but the ball, which was at that time still round, could be picked up and players could run with it. By then, the game was beginning to resemble rugby. In fact, rugby had a big influence on American football. Harvard played the McGill University Football Club of Montreal twice in 1874. McGill played rugby, and Harvard were interested in the game. They discussed the possibility of drawing up a new set of rules with Yale. Princeton and Columbia were invited to the meeting and in 1876 the Intercollegiate Football Association was formed, with the rules being very similar to Rugby Union. Walter Chauncey Camp In 1880, Walter Chauncey Camp of Yale revised the game. The number of players were reduced from fifteen to eleven, and the scrummage was dropped in favour of the scrimmage. The standard team line-up was put in place, seven linemen, a quarterback, two halfbacks and a fullback. Two years later Camp introduced the downs and yardage rules. Originally it was 5 yards in three downs. As it became essential to know how far a player had moved up the field, parallel lines were drawn onto the pitch at five yard intervals. This is where the word 'gridiron' comes from. The scoring system of points for touchdowns, field goals, 'points after' touchdowns, and safeties was introduced in 1883, and in 1888 Camp got the rules changed to allow tackling below the waist. In 1894, representatives of the leading college teams met to outlaw certain dangerous mass plays, which involved groups of players putting opposing players out of the game. The playing time was also cut from ninety to seventy minutes. After 1900 Despite changes in the rules, the game was still very rough and dangerous. In 1905 there were eighteen deaths in American football games throughout the United States. President Roosevelt called together representatives of Yale, Harvard and Princeton, and told them that the brutality within the sport had to stop. In December 1905, more than sixty representatives from college teams met to try and solve the problems facing the game. Captain Pierce of West Point sat at the head of the meeting. The Intercollegiate College Athletic Association was formed. In 1910 it became the NCAA, the National Collegiate Athletic Association. In 1906 major changes were made to the rules. Playing time was cut to sixty minutes, the forward pass was allowed, a neutral zone was made for the gap between the lines of scrimmage, and the number of yards to gain was increased to ten. In 1910, the biggest problem, interlocked interference, was banned, along with pushing and pulling of the ball carrier. The game immediately became safer, but also more defensive, so in 1912, the number of downs was increased from three to four. The length of the field was also reduced to 91.4 metres (100 feet) and end zones were added. The limit on the distance the ball could be thrown forward was scrapped, and the points awarded for a touchdown were increased from five to six. That was in 1912, and there have been few major changes since then. The League game In 1945, Michigan started using entire teams for offensive and defensive lines, but this was stopped in 1953, when only one player at a time was allowed to be substituted. In 1965, large scale substitutions were legalised, which is where the special teams are utilised. The college football teams are watched by the professional teams, and eligible players are selected by the professional teams. This is called the draft. The weaker teams have first pick of the players. The first recorded professional game in the United States was on 31 August, 1895, when teams from Jeanette and Latrobe met at Latrobe, Pennsylvania. However, it was not until 1920 when a professional league system was created. Before then, the college game was the most popular, and players mainly turned professional to play the game further, as the financial incentives were not so significant. The APFA (American Professional Football Association) was formed at Canton, and was presided over by Tom Thorpe. In 1921 it was restructured after a poor first year with Joseph Carr of Columbus, Ohio as president. The first league season in 1921 had thirteen teams involved. The teams were: Akron Pros, Buffalo All-Americans, Canton Bulldogs, Chicago Cardinals, Cincinatti Celts, Cleveland Indians, Columbia Panhandles, Dayton Triangles, Detroit Heralds, Green Bay Packers, and Rock Island Independents. In 1922, the APFA was renamed the NFL (National Football League). In 1933 the NFL was split into two leagues, the Eastern and Western Divisions, with the winners from each division meeting each other at the end of the season for the World Championship. The first Championships was between the Chicago Bears and the New York Giants. The Bears won 23-21. In 1946, another league was formed, the All-American Conference. At the end of 1949 the two leagues merged and for the next three seasons, they were known as American and National Conferences. The two Conferences became known as the Eastern and Western Conferences in 1953. In 1960, another league was formed, the American Football League (AFL) with eight teams. The NFL was extended to thirteen teams in 1960, and the two leagues each had two divisons/conferences. The winners of each division/conference met to decide the champions of the AFL and the NFL, but the two champions did not meet until...

So in case you are lazy and dont want to read that. Football started with soccer in the 16th century. The game was brought to america and changed slightly to be more like rugby where forward laterals were allowed. The game was continually altered throughout the centuries till it is where it is today. So they kept the same old name.

Also everyone wonders why they use padding. In the early 1900's no padding was used. Many deaths were being caused in the sports due to the brutality of the american rules. Up to 18 deaths per year. They decided to add padding to lessen the death and injury rate.


Hopefully that solves something.

all this "whats better soccer or american football" garbage is just an excuse say whats better, europe or america

its been said a thousand times, nobody cares about soccer in america cuz people here just prefer higher scoring, faster pace games and thats what we're used to...soccer is the opposite of that...its called being in different "cultures"...America and Europe, two different cultures...soccer is popular in europe and elsewhere while it isn't in america...neither sport is "better" than the other

Soccer > Rugby League > Rugby Union > American Football

AFL (The shittest sport on earth)

my soccer coach often says "respect to football (rugby / AF ) players but they got it easy, try putting your shoes and socks on without using your hands"

it's all about culture

europeans can't stand america's culture, and americans can't stand europeans culture

i always loved real football(soccer), it is the big game in portugal as in every european country, i find it a very complete game, not just physical, the way you can see technical details in the great players, the tactics and complex strategies the managers put into their teams.

sorry, but i can't get into american's sports at all. that includes american football and baseball. basketball is pretty cool though.

hmmm

My dad try to force me to watch American football and baseball, then im saying," those bloody sports are boring, i rather watch some football thank you." and then hes like" eh football players doesnt run as much as the American football and baseball players."

Then im like ," Ehhh???? Bullish."

Since he moved america , all is he watching is baseball and american football.

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Football...American football is just a wimps version of Rugby and bores me

Wrong....

Rugby is a contact sport, NFL (American Football) is a collision sport! Thats the best way to put it. If you have ever watched NFL, then you would realise what I mean. And the only reason they wear all that padding is because too many people were dying playing the sport.........

Are they wimps now?

Shep

^Dude, the tackles in rugby looks more rough than anything NFL.

And NFL will never have a stadium full of fans chanting for 90 minutes straight.

Re: hmmm

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Originally posted by hardstyle Since he moved america , all is he watching is baseball and american football.

well gee...welcome to america

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 all this "whats better soccer or american football" garbage is just an excuse say whats better, europe or america its been said a thousand times, nobody cares about soccer in america cuz people here just prefer higher scoring, faster pace games and thats what we're used to...soccer is the opposite of that...its called being in different "cultures"...America and Europe, two different cultures...soccer is popular in europe and elsewhere while it isn't in america...neither sport is "better" than the other

I've never understood how people could consider football a fast paced game. I often wonder if these people have ever watched a football game. For every 10 second of play theres a minute of stoppage or more. This isnt even counting the zillions of commercial breaks and infinitely long half times. Soccer on the other hand can go several minutes or more without a stoppage, and the stoppages are usually brief.
I can see how you'd consider basketball a fast paced game, it usually is pretty entertaining. I sort of have the same complaint about them towards the end though. I don't know if you've ever seen the last minute or so of a close playoff game - I've seen this last minute of play take well over 15 minutes.
Don't even get me started on baseball.

everyone is crasy soccer and american football are totely difrent sports

soccer is a running game and u have to have cartavasqular and you have to be able to run for long distences

and football is both u have to have enderance and then u have to mussle to be good at the soprt

but a real sport is wrestling!!!!!!!!!!! ya what now

o ya and i allso whanted to say..... nothing agenst soccer playas but i bet that a nfl football player could kik a soccers players ass

Canadian football is where it's at. None of that four down b.s.


kupcaker.. do you want to translate those into English, or what?

yea thats gotta be the worst attempt at cardiovascular I've ever seen

That's the worst attempt for anything.

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Originally posted by Z1D I've never understood how people could consider football a fast paced game. I often wonder if these people have ever watched a football game. For every 10 second of play theres a minute of stoppage or more. This isnt even counting the zillions of commercial breaks and infinitely long half times. Soccer on the other hand can go several minutes or more without a stoppage, and the stoppages are usually brief. I can see how you'd consider basketball a fast paced game, it usually is pretty entertaining. I sort of have the same complaint about them towards the end though. I don't know if you've ever seen the last minute or so of a close playoff game - I've seen this last minute of play take well over 15 minutes. Don't even get me started on baseball.

you can have an arguement say it isn't exactly fast paced (american football) because the whistle blows after every down, but DURING the play it is pretty fast pace, you got the QB hiking the ball the linemen going at each other recievers running their routes etc etc but thats just my opinion...all depends on your attnetion span...but the frequent commercials are annoying because american football is so corporate now with all these big companies endorsing and shit

like i said people here enjoy high scoring games, which american football, basketball, and sometimes baseball provide

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Originally posted by TiestoFanMatt If you experienced as a nation coming together on one day to hope ur country wins the world cup, well lets just say that you are missing out on something very unique and can not be matched by any other sports competition.

Not the "world cup"...but....

I know for most of you this is ancient history, before most of you were even born... but the US did win an international event that brought our country "together" in 1980 when we took the Gold in Hockey at the Olympics in Lake Placid. Defeating the Soviets to go to the Gold Medal game was not only a major upset, it was a huge motivational need during a very tough time for U.S. moral during the "cold war".

It was voted the top US sports moment of the 20th century in a majority of polls/articles, and still to this day is something many of us "older" folks can look back and cherish what a turning point this single sporting event had in our inner-country political and supportive views.

I suggest that if you are not familiar with this "history" that you'll go see the movie "Miracle" that comes out next week. Sure it will be "dramatized", but I hear that it portrays the events of that year pretty well.

And it has to do with hockey which is the greatest game on ice.

word PhloTron! that movie i think will kick ass.. good to see theres other hockey fans around here! the only time i've seen team usa play live was '92 i saw them play the la kings..

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Originally posted by EvilTree And NFL will never have a stadium full of fans chanting for 90 minutes straight.

werd. NFL fans are too busy munching on hot dogs.

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Originally posted by hapamoto word PhloTron! that movie i think will kick ass.. good to see theres other hockey fans around here! the only time i've seen team usa play live was '92 i saw them play the la kings..

Wait, is this real hockey, or ice hockey?

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Originally posted by PhloTron Not the "world cup"...but.... I know for most of you this is ancient history, before most of you were even born... but the US did win an international event that brought our country "together" in 1980 when we took the Gold in Hockey at the Olympics in Lake Placid. Defeating the Soviets to go to the Gold Medal game was not only a major upset, it was a huge motivational need during a very tough time for U.S. moral during the "cold war". It was voted the top US sports moment of the 20th century in a majority of polls/articles, and still to this day is something many of us "older" folks can look back and cherish what a turning point this single sporting event had in our inner-country political and supportive views. I suggest that if you are not familiar with this "history" that you'll go see the movie "Miracle" that comes out next week. Sure it will be "dramatized", but I hear that it portrays the events of that year pretty well. And it has to do with hockey which is the greatest game on ice.

But hardly nobody, apart from a handful of countries actually take notice with ice hockey. In England it is like behind Football, Rugby, Cricket and tennis, and is probably on par with Bowles (now theres a fucking boring sport, if u could call it that)

I just try and work out why don't America enjoy football, because the sport is popular with kids, the womens football team are one of the best in the world, and their team are actually not that bad, and if the sport grew then america could compete with the top ten nations for football, because the foundations are there. Its just none of ur nation cares, and you should do!

Winning the Hockey, in the olympics is nothing compared to winning the world cup. I was in Paris the day France won the World Cup in 98. Let's just say that we were home late due to poor planning! The celebrations, were emence!

Even when England won the Rugby world cup, the whole of England were rejoiced together...!!!

But hey, keep onto memories

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Originally posted by TiestoFanMatt Winning the Hockey, in the olympics is nothing compared to winning the world cup. I was in Paris the day France won the World Cup in 98. Let's just say that we were home late due to poor planning! The celebrations, were emence! Even when England won the Rugby world cup, the whole of England were rejoiced together...!!! But hey, keep onto memories

I agree it's not as big as the World Cup...not as many nations partake in the sport, nor did I directly compare it to the World Cup (ahem quote: "not the world cup but...) I stated the Nation did have a World Stage victory, that brought the country together. However, I don't see how you can even compare our 80's Hockey win to the Englands Rugby win last year. Now I really like rugby...and watched the world cup matches...Yes, It was a great "World Win"...but if anything, it's only similar in size to the Olympic hockey of that time...and hardly had any of the cold war feel of the day, where international sporting events, especially involving the USA v CCCP had big political pull as well. Rugby is played in far fewer nations than soccer (football), just like hockey and our WHOLE country rejoiced and came together when we won in 80. If anything, it is similar "size" sporting victory....however, I highly doubt that the Rugby victory had the unity impact on the country as a whole that this one game did 24 years ago.

Maybe before you go ranting about how much "better and bigger" some event is over another...maybe you should realize not only the scope of the event...but the fact that you were not even born when this took place. Obviously your views of event are extremely askew and well...do not subjectively exist as you were not there.

I will keep my memories...one's I was around to cherish.

/sigh

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Originally posted by TiestoFanMatt But hardly nobody, apart from a handful of countries actually take notice with ice hockey. In England it is like behind Football, Rugby, Cricket and tennis, and is probably on par with Bowles (now theres a fucking boring sport, if u could call it that) I just try and work out why don't America enjoy football, because the sport is popular with kids, the womens football team are one of the best in the world, and their team are actually not that bad, and if the sport grew then america could compete with the top ten nations for football, because the foundations are there. Its just none of ur nation cares, and you should do! Winning the Hockey, in the olympics is nothing compared to winning the world cup. I was in Paris the day France won the World Cup in 98. Let's just say that we were home late due to poor planning! The celebrations, were emence! Even when England won the Rugby world cup, the whole of England were rejoiced together...!!! But hey, keep onto memories

what you obviously don't understand about the 1980 hockey win against Russia was that it was during the hostage in situation in iran, the US economy was down the pants, Jimmy Carter was failing as president, basically the US was in a bad state of being, and something HAD to be done to lift the spirits of the country, what better way to do it then beat a seemingly unbeatable Russian ice hockey team at that time with a group of american amateurs who came out of NOWHERE to get that far...a world cup win by the US (if ever) would NEVER match the magnitude of happiness, patriotism and pride that 1980 hockey game gave to the US at the time...i mean they're making a movie called "The Miracle" based on that game...it was that important

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 what you obviously don't understand about the 1980 hockey win against Russia was that it was during the hostage in situation in iran, the US economy was down the pants, Jimmy Carter was failing as president, basically the US was in a bad state of being, and something HAD to be done to lift the spirits of the country, what better way to do it then beat a seemingly unbeatable Russian ice hockey team at that time with a group of american amateurs who came out of NOWHERE to get that far...a world cup win by the US (if ever) would NEVER match the magnitude of happiness, patriotism and pride that 1980 hockey game gave to the US at the time...i mean they're making a movie called "The Miracle" based on that game...it was that important

Amen

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