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Posted by Fundamental on Jan-27-2004 23:23:

What a fucking twat that boy is. Just prepare your case carefully (ensure you have information to back up what you are saying) then threaten his ass with some copyright infringement.

So do we know who is hosting the site yet?


Posted by dj_mdma on Jan-28-2004 00:00:

what a twat. you can tell he is just a fucking kid who has no idea. If you signed ANY sort of letter that is not personal with just your first name it gives a bad impression.

When i look through the applications at work at Tesco's i'm amused by some of the things they write in the bit where you have to show a time where you worked hard to get something done etc etc because they think that you don't require any sort of skill or anything to work there. Er wrong.

From what i read of that MSN convo, i'd find a soliciter and get his site fucked up for real. my friends dad is a solicitor, i'll refer him to this thread


Posted by DJ_FRAZ on Jan-28-2004 00:28:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_mdma
From what i read of that MSN convo, i'd find a soliciter and get his site fucked up for real. my friends dad is a solicitor, i'll refer him to this thread


excellent man! Keep me informed!
Oh and Adam, glad ur getting the picture now , he does expect me to walk off now cos hes got lauren on his side.
Fund yeah we know who's hosting the site.. oneandone

God i love you all UKTA's


Posted by Ste on Jan-28-2004 00:30:

you gonna take her down, TAKE HER DOWN TO CHINATOWN!!!!


Posted by dj_mdma on Jan-28-2004 00:31:

can i take her Panties down and take a pic? or do you have some like that already? in fact

pics or stfu

i want boobie pics


Posted by Ste on Jan-28-2004 00:34:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_mdma

*throws a spanner into the UKTA love machine



*uses his wings has a shield of steel*


Posted by Ste on Jan-28-2004 00:35:

[17:35:38] Nic || Angel: i can sign off on a letter to warner music as
Nic


^check this guy, he thinks hes the fuck l33t with a capital thirty three :Stongue:

soon he will be making his own ripping group....


Posted by dj_mdma on Jan-28-2004 00:37:

*wonders why Ste has wings
*realises that Ste is a bird
*realises that the throwing of the spanner will not be deviated from its course and in fact the bird will be caught underneath the weight of the flying spanner and will end up gettng crushed in the cogs of the UKTA love machine


Posted by Ste on Jan-28-2004 00:38:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_mdma
*wonders why Ste has wings
*realises that Ste is a bird
*realises that the throwing of the spanner will not be deviated from its course and in fact the bird will be caught underneath the weight of the flying spanner and will end up gettng crushed in the cogs of the UKTA love machine


i am batfink! peeeown


Posted by dj_mdma on Jan-28-2004 00:42:

*gets bored and just pulls the plug instead


Posted by TrAnCeAkI on Jan-28-2004 01:55:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FRAZ
God i love you all UKTA's

what about us outsiders :P

anyways! i wouldnt put it off fraz keep fighting for what is your in the first place, that guy is a total dick... id laugh if u could call someone up say the police and report his site to them maybe they can do something like raid his house thinking he is a perverted porn person! :P


Posted by Cru54d3r on Jan-28-2004 03:46:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FRAZ
Oh and Adam, glad ur getting the picture now , he does expect me to walk off now cos hes got lauren on his side.

I had the picture in my sites all along .. was just looking at it from multiple perspectives .. or if u wish ste being hit by a spanner from multiple angles .. haha ..

Its ... erm .. late


Posted by tu_face on Jan-28-2004 15:27:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FRAZ
[17:36:11] Nic || Angel: u claim ownership?
[17:36:35] Nic || Angel: soon as the files were willingly sent from
your computer to lauren you lost exclusivity


utter bollocks.

tell him that warner music distribute their music all over the world, yet still retain ownership of the copyright. Exclusivity means nothing, ownership of rights is everything.

I see 2 options:

1. go see your solicitor and see what he has to say, but i have my doubts over whether or not the legal costs will be less than the money she/the site have recieved. This is only really viable if the site refuse to take down the pictures.

2. make her buy the rights to the pictures. if she is serious about modelling she will be glad to have pictures of her own.

If they refuse to take the pictures down, and the solicitor tells you not to bother, contact their ISP and/or hosting company and fucking screw them


Posted by George Kendall on Jan-28-2004 16:16:

I think you should let it slide man..

dont think theres much else you can do tbh


Posted by magnasoma on Jan-28-2004 16:52:

ok, from the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 ...


you're looking at 4a, 9a, 16a, 16d(ish), 17.2, 23c

Ownership

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4.�(1) In this Part "artistic work" means�
(a) a graphic work, photograph, sculpture or collage, irrespective of artistic quality,
(b) a work of architecture being a building or a model for a building, or
(c) a work of artistic craftsmanship.
(2) In this Part�
"building" includes any fixed structure, and a part of a building or fixed structure;
"graphic work" includes�
(a) any painting, drawing, diagram, map, chart or plan, and
(b) any engraving, etching, lithograph, woodcut or similar work;
"photograph" means a recording of light or other radiation on any medium on which an image is produced or from which an image may by any means be produced, and which is not part of a film;
"sculpture" includes a cast or model made for purposes of sculpture.

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9.�(1) In this Part "author", in relation to a work, means the person who creates it.

(2) That person shall be taken to be�
(a) in the case of a sound recording or film, the person by whom the arrangements necessary for the making of the recording or film are undertaken;
(b) in the case of a broadcast, the person making the broadcast (see section 6(3)) or, in the case of a broadcast which relays another broadcast by reception and immediate re-transmission, the person making that other broadcast;
(c) in the case of a cable programme, the person providing the cable programme service in which the programme is included;
(d) in the case of the typographical arrangement of a published edition, the publisher.


----

Use

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16.�(1) The owner of the copyright in a work has, in accordance with the following provisions of this Chapter, the exclusive right to do the following acts in the United Kingdom�
(a) to copy the work (see section 17);
(b) to issue copies of the work to the public (see section 18);
(c) to perform, show or play the work in public (see section 19);
(d) to broadcast the work or include it in a cable programme service (see section 20);
(e) to make an adaptation of the work or do any of the above in relation to an adaptation (see section 21);

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17.�(1) The copying of the work is an act restricted by the copyright in every description of copyright work; and references in this Part to copying and copies shall be construed as follows.

(2) Copying in relation to a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work means reproducing the work in any material form.
This includes storing the work in any medium by electronic means.

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23. The copyright in a work is infringed by a person who, without the licence of the copyright owner�
(a) possesses in the course of a business,
(b) sells or lets for hire, or offers or exposes for sale or hire,
(c) in the course of a business exhibits in public or distributes, or
(d) distributes otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,
an article which is, and which he knows or has reason to believe is, an infringing copy of the work.

----


http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts198...48_en_1.htm#end

if he needs a shove in the right direction. we did copyright and patent protection as part on my uni course.


Posted by *HaRRy* on Jan-28-2004 18:33:

i have an idea-

you give us her e-mail address and then we send her obscene stalker-type e-mails saying that the owner of the site is giving out her address.

she'll get dead paraniod and withdraw the photos.


Posted by Fundamental on Jan-28-2004 19:07:

quote:
Originally posted by magnasoma

23. The copyright in a work is infringed by a person who, without the licence of the copyright owner�
(a) possesses in the course of a business,
(b) sells or lets for hire, or offers or exposes for sale or hire,
(c) in the course of a business exhibits in public or distributes, or
(d) distributes otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,
an article which is, and which he knows or has reason to believe is, an infringing copy of the work.


Shafted!

Some damn good work there Mag.


Posted by DJ_FRAZ on Jan-28-2004 19:09:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
utter bollocks.

tell him that warner music distribute their music all over the world, yet still retain ownership of the copyright. Exclusivity means nothing, ownership of rights is everything.

I see 2 options:

1. go see your solicitor and see what he has to say, but i have my doubts over whether or not the legal costs will be less than the money she/the site have recieved. This is only really viable if the site refuse to take down the pictures.

2. make her buy the rights to the pictures. if she is serious about modelling she will be glad to have pictures of her own.

If they refuse to take the pictures down, and the solicitor tells you not to bother, contact their ISP and/or hosting company and fucking screw them


thanks Jeff, im gonna quote that what you said at the top when i speak to him again. Quality advice. and Tim, that info is fucking great, very helpful!! that shall also be used to own him. I can't see him having an answer to any of this because its exactly how it is for me, all those acts u outlined.
Fucking great stuff everyone


Posted by DJ_FRAZ on Jan-28-2004 19:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Fundamental
Shafted!

Some damn good work there Mag.

too fucking right


Posted by DJ_FRAZ on Jan-28-2004 20:46:

quote:

hiya mate we spoke to our lawyer today and both parties have spoke to lauren.... As you sent the pictures to lauren as a gift.. then the law says say can do as she wants with them! Also.. He is getting touch with Southgate House London, to see when you paid for the coypright.. so as soon as that is done.. and when we get a letter off ur lawyer (with headed paper) action will be taken! many thanx

An email i just recieved from cosmicbabes.
He says i have to have paid for copyright?
Is he talking out of his arse there or what?
I never sent the pictures to lauren as a gift thats never even been mentioned...


Posted by dj_mdma on Jan-28-2004 21:34:

he's trying to call your bluff
when he says about "paying for your copyright" its the thing you do to make sure that when its out there, no one nicks it and passes it off as theres.

For example if you wrote a book, but didn't do the copyright, someone could copy it word for word, sell it and you wouldnt get any money.

However, in this case, photo's have been taken from a camera, and theres no way that Lauren could have done it herself and passed them off as her own, as its a bit difficult to photograph yourself in such ways as she was posing hehe.

And the gift thing is bollocks. You didn't give em to her as a gift, so stick by that


Posted by DJ_FRAZ on Jan-28-2004 21:58:

yeah thats all true... but i don't want to goto the hassle of going through lawyers and stuff, i havent got the time or the money to be doing that!!! can this not be resolved any other way?
im pushing facts in their face, why can't they see im right and just take the photo's off? why does a lawyer need to be involved?


Posted by dj_mdma on Jan-28-2004 22:07:

a lawyer doesn't need to be involved if he was a civil person. but he's just being an arse probably cos he is boning lauren and she wants her pics to stay up


Posted by DJ_FRAZ on Jan-28-2004 22:13:

well if a lawyer has to be involved then im gonna have to forget it all. i did try, it was a polite request to remove the photos at first but he started being a cock. i'll let him be and leave her happy.


Posted by Cru54d3r on Jan-28-2004 22:16:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FRAZ
well if a lawyer has to be involved then im gonna have to forget it all. i did try, it was a polite request to remove the photos at first but he started being a cock. i'll let him be and leave her happy.

A lawyer probably wouldnt be involved .. hes just using a scare tactic to get u off his case ..


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