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Originally posted by Pointy Bah..i know that!! My point is, its setting a bad example because the Final Scratch system also accepts mp3 - you heard of em? You can download anything you fucking want at the click of a button. Now when the general public start getting on Final Scratch after seeing all these DJs using it, they're gonna do exactly that. They aint gonna pay for a thing, vinyl sales will drop, and the whole culture which has been round since DJing began, and the whole culture which makes DJing soo fun is lost. Quite simply, i dont agree with DJs using Final Scratch. "OoOooo i can take 4000 tracks on tour" - who gives a fuck PvD, you play the same 30 tunes everytime

Anyone that is investing the money to get Final Scratch probably wouldn't be the type to spin MP3s at a club anyhow... like everyone has said, MP3s don't have the audio fidelity to be played on a loud club system. What makes you think DJs won't buy records anymore? Don't you see how the iTunes is working? They're selling compressed audio on the internet and people buy it! If companies were to charge the same price on a vinyl as they would for a digital wav/aiff, why not? There will probably be some better security features in the future to prevent piracy, just nobody has come up with a way to do it yet... but it'll come around.

Btw, if you were a world travelling DJ and had gigs night after night and had to lug around 40+ vinyls and 50+ CDs, wouldn't you love the convenience of just lugging around a laptop instead? And while you're on the road away from your local record shops and are constantly flying, would you find the time to be able to go to find a record shop in the town that you're playing in before the performance and try to get new records? << That's one lone run-on sentence...

Disgraceful

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Originally posted by tc-fan he became a cheap downloading audio whore....

Now that PvD is an mp3 deejay, PvD = crap

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Originally posted by Pointy Bah..i know that!! My point is, its setting a bad example because the Final Scratch system also accepts mp3 - you heard of em? You can download anything you fucking want at the click of a button. Now when the general public start getting on Final Scratch after seeing all these DJs using it, they're gonna do exactly that. They aint gonna pay for a thing, vinyl sales will drop, and the whole culture which has been round since DJing began, and the whole culture which makes DJing soo fun is lost.

If that's your argument, I'm surprised I haven't seen you handing out bashing rounds to DJs who use CDRs and accusations of them "killing the DJ culture", as they can download an mp3 and play it out just as much as a DJ using Final Scratch can. Not that it's gonna sound any better than someone playing an mp3 off of a Powerbook, but hey I guess since all of your DJ heroes use CDRs, that's quite ok.

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Originally posted by Pointy Now when the general public start getting on Final Scratch after seeing all these DJs using it, they're gonna do exactly that. They aint gonna pay for a thing, vinyl sales will drop, and the whole culture which has been round since DJing began, and the whole culture which makes DJing soo fun is lost.

Yeah i'm sure someone who doesnt want to pay money for music will pay 1000 euros for technics ("all the good djs are using them"), a sick amount of money for a pioneer mixer ("all the good djs are using them"), then another 700 euros for finalscratch, and finally will invest in a notebook if they don't have one already....

Yeah, i'm sure that's what they'll do
Really, think about it, this won't change much to the 'vinyl culture', because unless labels are turning to cd instead of vinyl, u'll still have to buy the black gold

Oh yeah and to the "booh! pvd is an mp3 downloading whore!" people: you just proved you're retarded since u can't even read/understand a short article (no offense to retarded people though)

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Originally posted by Ste yeh coz he mixes with an mp3 mixing program. he = god

No he still mix with an oridnary mixer and 2 Turntables Do you really think hes mixing with Traktor 2.5?? And yeah hes using auto beatmatching, too

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Originally posted by extepan Now that PvD is an mp3 deejay, PvD = crap

I really hope that was meant sarcastic...

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Originally posted by Dmatrox No, once you have a file in 192 and you convert it to any audio file format at the highest quality possible, the quality is still 192. If you want the highest quality mp3, encode the mp3 at 320.

Thanks mate!

I love Final Scratch!!! The windows xp version for Final Scratch will be released this month and it'd cause less conflicts with installation so for those who has been waiting ... it's almost here. Fortunately Linux system works fine for me at the moment.

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Originally posted by Vigilante AIFF = uncompressed audio format used by Apple WAV = uncompressed audio format used on IBMs correct???

you are correct sir
but more so its quicktime vs. windows media player
(this may have been answered earlier on, but i'm too lazy to read all the replies to this)

but it don't matter




i don't see what all the hubbub is about
who the fuck cares?

what it comes down to in the end is the music they are banging
not the format that they use.
i personally like my records and CDs
i'm not too fond of brining my laptop to gigs and hooking all this stuff up
now if i were PvD i'd have roadies who did all that for me so it wouldnt matter

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Originally posted by dartrance james who? i have heard he bores people to death!

ever heard of the term crowd control? Sorry he doesn't spin 160bmp for 90 minutes straight pal..... Ever heard of the term crowd control?

Re: Paul Van Dyk - unbelievable article!!

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Originally posted by trancedance When Paul Van Dyk goes on the road, he leaves his collection of vinyl and CD's at home.

who's coming on a robbing spree then

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Originally posted by Wildfir3 Yeah i'm sure someone who doesnt want to pay money for music will pay 1000 euros for technics ("all the good djs are using them"), a sick amount of money for a pioneer mixer ("all the good djs are using them"), then another 700 euros for finalscratch, and finally will invest in a notebook if they don't have one already....

Errr....Final Scratch is for DJs with two decks and a mixer anyway...so either way they're gonna be shellin out a lotta cash. I think i might post a thread in teh DJ Forum asking the question of 'Do you have a laptop capable of running Final Scratch'. If I'm proven wrong and the poll turns out more negative than positive, then I'll accept ur view on the arguement. But seriously, if someone didn't wanna pay money for music and already had a laptop, I'm sure they'd rather pay 700 euros for an unlimited number of vinyls instead of 700 euros worth of vinyls.

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snippet from StereoPrincess DJs who use CDRs and accusations of them "killing the DJ culture", as they can download an mp3 and play it out just as much as a DJ using Final Scratch can.

Yea i usually dont bother seeing as though it turns into arguements like this, but big DJs playing promos off CDr really doesn't bother me, as they usually use a mix of the two mediums (vinyl n cds). Plus they're all credible to the promos (they dont have to download em, they get given em :rolleyes, And I doubt any of my heros use all CDs apart from maybe Sasha... But LTJ Bukem, DJ Shadow, David Morales, Nick Warren use a mix of the two which i find just lovely?

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Originally posted by Pointy Yea i usually dont bother seeing as though it turns into arguements like this, but big DJs playing promos off CDr really doesn't bother me, as they usually use a mix of the two mediums (vinyl n cds).

(my quote btw )

That doesn't change with Final Scratch, you still need those media to get the AIFF files over to your Powerbook.

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Plus they're all credible to the promos (they dont have to download em, they get given em ), And I doubt any of my heros use all CDs apart from maybe Sasha... But LTJ Bukem, DJ Shadow, David Morales, Nick Warren use a mix of the two which i find just lovely?

If they are all credible to the promos, then what's the big deal? PvD has stated many times that he thinks mp3s are stealing and sound crap, so what exactly is your argument?

Oh maaan...

Dot points:

1. PvD and co. uses and vouches for Final Scratch.
2. Technology advances,
3. Prices drop,
4. DJs every (big small) start gettin final scratch cos its soo much easier than carrying around fuckloads of vinyl
5. DJs now dont buy vinyl, cos its final scratch man!! Play AIFF OR MP3!! yay. Yes maybe they buy the tracks from the labels digitally..but that aint vinyl.
6. vinyl culture lost. Djs rockin up to sets with a laptop n two fantastic records (guess which label they're on?)

...mighta skipped a few steps between 5 n 6 cos im lazy..but thats the arguement.

so do people like PvD because of the music he plays or the medium he plays it on?

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Originally posted by Pointy Oh maaan... Dot points: 1. PvD and co. uses and vouches for Final Scratch. 2. Technology advances, 3. Prices drop, 4. DJs every (big small) start gettin final scratch cos its soo much easier than carrying around fuckloads of vinyl 5. DJs now dont buy vinyl, cos its final scratch man!! Play AIFF OR MP3!! yay. Yes maybe they buy the tracks from the labels digitally..but that aint vinyl. 6. vinyl culture lost. Djs rockin up to sets with a laptop n two fantastic records (guess which label they're on?) ...mighta skipped a few steps between 5 n 6 cos im lazy..but thats the arguement.

"Oh maaaaan" right back at ya. Point 5 is flawed due to the fact that mp3s sound shite live and cos CD or vinyl is needed to actually get an AIFF file to play. Point 6, Final Scratch is a computer program. What happens if the program crashes mid set when the intensity has soared and the crowd is mad for it? Instant vibe death. That's the main reason why many DJs won't welcome Final Scratch with open arms, and also why vinyl isn't going to die any time soon, along with the fact that Final Scratch is expensive due to the required purchase of a) the program (which in turn will be upgraded again and again, hence costing even more) b) special cartridges c) a Powerbook d) specially designed Final Scratch-vinyls which must be purchased again and again because of the wear they suffer. If you then add Point 3 to the mix, vinyl sure as hell won't die.

Final Scratch isn't a replacement for the media we use for music currently, but rather technology's way of making the DJ life easier.

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Originally posted by Pointy 6. vinyl culture lost. Djs rockin up to sets with a laptop n two fantastic records (guess which label they're on?) ...mighta skipped a few steps between 5 n 6 cos im lazy..but thats the arguement.

you cant stop new technology anway...

Look they invented Audio CDs which are smaller/cheaper and you get 74 min on one CD. Did this destroy the vinyl culture?? NO! Why should Final Scratch destroy it..

Vinyl will never die as long theyre people on this planet who still love the vinyl feeling..

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Final Scratch isn't a replacement for the media we use for music currently, but rather technology's way of making the DJ life easier.

Agreed Final Scratch isnt a replacement for the whole Vinyl medium its more like a extension for the vinyl medium..

only thing bout zebiela using cd's is he can manipulate the track before hand so they all have the same bpm, thus avvoiding the minute or so spent during tracks leaving more time to fuck about like he does...

here we go again.

in 10 years TAs will be moaning and leaving the electronic dance music scene cause no-one uses vinyl. it's kinda sad in a way, but it is the way things progress. keep an open mind people. finalscratch, cdj's and vinyl emulators will keep on developing, while the real thing is becoming obsolote for EDM, as it has become for the mainstream scene. maybe it will become easier to spin digitally, but it will be a lot more versatile. just imagine all the possibilities.

I just LOVE how they called him a "techno" dj!

just b/c he throws a chris liebing song into one of his sets every now and again doesn't excuse all the cheese he drops!

zabiela

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Originally posted by Dublin Guy James Zabiela is by far techinally a better dj than paul van dyk,the way blonde kid attacks the cdj's minulpates each track with amounts of echos,flanglers, doing live editing cueing up another track abosulty perfectly beat matched with the other tune then on the breakdown u recive a moment of flurished broken beats with a melody to die for,GOD BLESSED ZABIELA

He's super fast!!! Definately going to check him out at Ultra. You know its true I heard one bad criticism and I was biased but after seeing that incredible hand on action on every single control and switch I am quite turned on.

this is like any other evolution in humanity....ur gonna have ur people who can adapt with times and use it to thier advantage like any other millionaire, billionaire....and then ur gonna have those old fashioned people who keep sayin "if it works...y change?" The people who grip on so much and eventually get left behind and drag others down with em...like i said in one thread...if vinyl's are being threatened to extinction...its gonna one hell of a long grueling battle to the death. its gonan take more than final scratch and pvd to kill it.

oh well...personally...if there is a garuntee on final scratch never crashing...i might use it...imma still gonna use vinyl till then though...maybe one day i'll have 4 tables, 2 cddj's, computers and high tek digital whore's on my nuts while i do my thing too.

If PVD isnt gonna use his vinyl, he better be a good humanitarian and donate his vinyl to the poor children of TA

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Originally posted by Dmatrox If PVD isnt gonna use his vinyl, he better be a good humanitarian and donate his vinyl to the poor children of TA

I'll drink to that...

lol, techno dj, i think since wired is a U.s. (OR IS IT?) magazine, they used the generalization techno

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