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Posted by biznology on Feb-12-2004 02:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Aura
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Just so we're on the same page...my whole point is that unless you follow what Christ says and live as HE lived...you aint a CHRISTIAN...these "contacts" were not living as Christ nor were they in any way representative of real Christianity!...

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they werent? i was being nice when referring the clergy.

quote:
THE CRUSADES (1096 - 1291 A.D.)
HELP BRING EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES



A. What were the Crusades?

The Crusades were a series of Holy Wars in which the Christians of Europe tried to recapture the Holy Land (Palestine ) from the Muslims (Seljuk Turks).


from: http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/mcalli...es/crusades.htm

?? holy war in the name of Christianity. i certainly dont have all the details, but it DID happen

quote:
B. How the Crusades Began:

By the end of the 11th century, the Seljuk Turks had conquered the Arab holdings in the Near East. They adopted Islam as their religion and used Holy War as a reason for further attacks. They attacked the old eastern Roman Empire whose capital was Constantinople. Since the Eastern Empire was Christian, the Emperor called upon the Pope for help against these non-Christian invaders. Pope, Urban II called a council, of knights at Clermont in France in 1095. This council declared war against the Moslems and called upon all Christians to join a Crusade -- a military expedition to gain the Holy Land for Christians. Thus began the Crusading movement, which lasted for almost two hundred years and which produced a number of Crusades.


name of the Pope - NOT a religious leader?

??|

note: GAIN the holy lands, not just defense


Posted by DJDigDug on Feb-12-2004 04:57:

quote:
Originally posted by biznology
they werent? i was being nice when referring the clergy.



from: http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/mcalli...es/crusades.htm

?? holy war in the name of Christianity. i certainly dont have all the details, but it DID happen



name of the Pope - NOT a religious leader?

??|

note: GAIN the holy lands, not just defense

In god the mighty oil buying George bush claims to trust, holy war number 2 or 3 or something,

Anyway this genre baffles me? The music half the time is made for druggies, now we have jesus people here??? Uh have you ever listened to psytrance? Much of the songs with vocals, are about drugs, or what you think about on drugs, or scientific alternatives to religion,

You have your Jesus, i have my chemistry, Jesus was made of Chemicals, so am i, so is the entire galaxy, thats my church and much like the guy who started this thread I get high on my religion too


Posted by Dmatrox on Feb-12-2004 06:00:

this isnt even a music discussion anymore


jeeebus +1


Posted by Daver on Feb-12-2004 06:18:

I don't understand this topic. Christian dance music? Huh? All I saw was flamebait from some person who felt the need to spread the word, as if we all haven't heard it before. Don't forget, God gave us free will to do as we please, but not to impose. You can't save everyone.

I was told there are 2 things you should never discuss in public: politics and religion. Good advice if I do say so myself.


Posted by arctic on Feb-12-2004 07:38:

Re: references...if you care..

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Aura
Christianity isnt a religion guys.


Incorrect. Let's take a look at dictionary.com shall we.

A search for 'Christianity comes up with 'The Christian religion, founded on the life and teachings of Jesus.'

A search for religion gets the following:
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

Seems that you're wrong after all, eh?

As for your 'the only thing wrong with he world is anti-Christ religions' comment, what a load of crap. Lovely to see that you respect other's beliefs. It's also gratifying to see that you backed up your claim with sound evidence. Superb effort!

As for people getting offended at a few pictures of Jesus, get over it. It's a joke, if that offends you, then I can't imagine what it would be like actually living with you. I repeat, it's a joke.

By the way, because a song has the world 'angel' or something similar in it doesn't mean that it's a 'Christian song'. Sorry to break it to you, but there are other religions out there that involve the belief in and/or references to angels.

On a final note, here's another picture of Jesus for everyone's enjoyment!


Posted by digitaldreams on Feb-12-2004 08:05:

that anti semite comment was bull

christianity for everybody!


Posted by Ian on Feb-12-2004 08:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Aura
..you think?

dude...religion aint the problem...definitely not CHRISTIANITY! I dont know when Jesus ever said to strike down those who dont believe in him, or wage war on those who wont follow His ways...fact is, the only religions ruining anything are anti-Christ religions like Judaism and Islam, etc.




I was christened but I don't believe in any of that bullshit.... Why ?

Well lets take all the 'wars'

Israel vs Palestine - Religion
Ireland/Northern Ireland - Religion
Muslim Extremists vs Bush Blair etc - Religion
Man United vs Man City - Football
Celtic - Rangers - Religion


There are many more, infact I'd say 90% minimum of all the wars in this world are down to religion, and what for, are muslims really better than others ? Did Jesus by choosing us say that we were better ? Is anybody better than anybody else due to intelligence, race, upbringing ? No

Keep believing you're better cos ur religious, you think that any 'god' would want you preaching against other religions, that is bullshit and it's about time people stopped hiding behind their 'religion' because it's nothing, I don't give a shit where someone is from and I'm not going to treat them any different cos they believe in something else, just a shame that all the sides in things cannot see that. War is the only outcome of it, and it's becoming boring & uncool to say otherwise to the point where you're no better than those you talk down on



ps neo, shift this bugger to political pls



Edit - If you think about it, there is no god's or jeebus' anyway, why do good people die young, why do rapists not get justice, why do earthquakes happen to people who get off their ass and pray and think that will prevent them, it won't


Posted by arctic on Feb-12-2004 08:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Ian^
ps neo, shift this bugger to political pls


No!

That will curtail my freedom to post amusing pictures featuring our favorite homie, Jebus.

+1 for Jebus!


Posted by Ian on Feb-12-2004 08:40:

quote:
Originally posted by arctic
No!

That will curtail my freedom to post amusing pictures featuring our favorite homie, Jebus.

+1 for Jebus!


Word Life


Posted by skip on Feb-12-2004 08:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Aura
I dont know when Jesus ever said to strike down those who dont believe in him, or wage war on those who wont follow His ways...



not jeebus, but his dad god told many times to kill before telling not to kill! weird ain't it?

quote:

* Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
* Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

vs.

* Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor."
* I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."
* I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."
* Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
* Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."



i think your religion is full of shit. it's not doing any good to people either! it just limits you and your culture. but you're entitled to believe in all sorts of crap, so go ahead then if it makes you feel better, but keep it to yourself, don't come here (or anywhere else) preaching about it ffs! people will find god if they feel like it, you don't have to find him for them. let all people have their own way. your way is not the way for everyone you know, even though we're all damned and going to hell because it isn't (yeah really, i'm so scared )


Posted by PlasticSoul on Feb-12-2004 14:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Aura
..you think?

dude...religion aint the problem...definitely not CHRISTIANITY! I dont know when Jesus ever said to strike down those who dont believe in him, or wage war on those who wont follow His ways...fact is, the only religions ruining anything are anti-Christ religions like Judaism and Islam, etc.

Nope...actually, Jesus said to forget about all of them (turn the other cheek in his own words).

So you ignorant blasphemous (look it up!) people should watch what you're saying! One day you'll be sorry for even joking about the very name of "Jesus".



BTW DJ Sanctuary... thanks for making all of us Christian Trancers come across as freaks. I produce and promote Christian trance too, but what you did is plain "out to lunch" and makes us look bad.

NOW THIS IS GOOD CHRISTIAN TRANCE... STREAM THIS!!!

Playlist: (click above link and click MIXES)
1) Mike Rittenhouse - DJ Intro
2) Slyder - Coming Back
3) Coretex - Lay Your Wings Around Me (Tastyfresh Mix)
4) Coretex - Shooting Star (12" Version)
5) Coretex - Incarnation (12" Version)
6) Ex-cĭto - God of Wonders
7) Evanescence � Hello (Trifactor Vs Gabriel & Dresden Remix)
8) Keith Babinec � 3AM (Promo Mix)
9) Darude - Serendipity
10) Oakenfold - Dread Rock
11) Prophetica � One Thousand Times


7) Evanescence � Hello (Trifactor Vs Gabriel & Dresden Remix)
9) Darude - Serendipity
10) Oakenfold - Dread Rock
Christian music"???


Posted by tranceman78 on Feb-12-2004 19:02:

lmao @ all of this, especially arctic's pics. lol


Posted by Dmatrox on Feb-13-2004 02:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Daver

I was told there are 2 things you should never discuss in public: politics and religion. Good advice if I do say so myself.


Yes i totally agree. Even with friends i really dont like talking about religion.

Things to never talk about in public: religion & politics (as you said), how much you make, who you dislike, who you want to assasinate, and who(name) you boned.


Posted by J.L. on Feb-13-2004 03:58:

I don't know why people get all anal when people bash gays (no pun intended) but when someone brings up something about their faith, they flame away.

Fine.. you don't like Christianity... keep it to yourself...
STOP BEING SO IGNORANT!!
We never said that you had to agree with what believe... You may get the wrong impression sometimes from assholes that call and believe themselves to be "Christian" and doing "God's work" etc...(for ex. the catholic church in the crusades, fundamentalist ignorant fanatics) but trust me.. that's not what Christianity is about...

Anyways... here's another good website for christian EDM.. www.tastyfresh.com and it has a pretty decent forum up and running...

btw.. christian mixes do not necessarily contain 100% "Christian" EDM.... Andy Hunter mixes non-Christian tracks with Christian tracks all the time (he's a Christian DJ from the UK)

Also... I am not sure.. but I'm just wondering.. is Darren Tate a Christian?


Posted by arctic on Feb-13-2004 04:08:

quote:
Originally posted by kewlness
btw.. christian mixes do not necessarily contain 100% "Christian" EDM.... Andy Hunter mixes non-Christian tracks with Christian tracks all the time (he's a Christian DJ from the UK)


Define 'Christian mix'. If a song is not made by a practising Christian, and does not include any Christian themes (i.e. - vocals, track title etc.)/is not created for the sole purpose of evangelism or for the enjoyment of Christians, then I don't class it as a 'Christian track'. How can you have a 'Christian mix' when it includes songs that have nothing to do with Christianity?

Either way, I don't give a rat's arse whether a track is 'Christian' or not. For all I care it could have been made by a crazed Muslim fundamentalist calling for all true Muslims to wage war in the infidels. All I listen to is the music itself. If it's a crap track, then it's a crap track, plain and simple.

quote:
Originally posted by tranceman78
lmao @ all of this, especially arctic's pics. lol


<3 Jebus!


Posted by J.L. on Feb-13-2004 04:18:

personally i have nothing with ppl disagreeing with us... just don't like ignorant ppl (christians and non-christians alike).. I guess this is music discussion.. not intellectual flamewar discussion ...

but basically I would define a Christian mix to be a mix with the "Christian" message behind it... I know that's a broad definition.. but I don't want to say something and have ppl all flaming me or anything...

check out www.andyhunter.com
and listen to some of his tracks... some tracks are Christian and some aren't.. but there's some good music from this guy


Posted by Dmatrox on Feb-13-2004 04:31:

god dammit can we just leave religion out of music?


Posted by arctic on Feb-13-2004 04:40:

quote:
Originally posted by kewlness
but basically I would define a Christian mix to be a mix with the "Christian" message behind it... I know that's a broad definition.. but I don't want to say something and have ppl all flaming me or anything...

check out www.andyhunter.com
and listen to some of his tracks... some tracks are Christian and some aren't.. but there's some good music from this guy


I just feel like nit picking here, so that's exactly what I'm going to do.

Let's assume that a Christian message would be love, which is essentially what Jesus (Albeit selectively ) taught. Let's assume that I'm a secular humanist (Which I am), and I make a song that includes vocals alluding to loving our fellow man and so on. Would you consider that a Christian song?


Posted by bluelimitd on Feb-13-2004 05:00:

quote:
Originally posted by kewlness
I'm just wondering.. is Darren Tate a Christian?


who cares


Posted by tc-fan on Feb-13-2004 05:50:

Re: Christian Dance Music

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Sanctuary
Click here to view the best Christian Dance Music

Several 30sec links are online, if you would like me to upload entire songs please feedback with details then everyone can download the whole songs.

� DJ Sanctuary


AMEN TO THAT....


Posted by dj_alucard on Feb-13-2004 06:37:

religion dont cause wars

fukkin nut job with big heads do

ne ways..let ppl listen to what they want


Posted by Endlesswave on Feb-13-2004 06:42:

Religion DOES cause war because the people ("leaders") misinterperet or misconstrue what the religion teaches to mean whatever they want it to mean and that's where the problem is. The same can be said with politics...


Posted by Lira on Feb-13-2004 13:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Dmatrox
god dammit can we just leave religion out of music?

I've been asking psy-heads the same thing for ages... I wonder why the hell they think Hinduism and Buddhism have anything to do with their music. Just because they're from India? There aren't even many Buddhists in India now...

*sighs*


Posted by noikeee on Feb-13-2004 13:52:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Christian Dance Music

quote:
Originally posted by Ste
hmm relegion.


there'd be a lot less massacre's in this world if it wasnt for religion...


one of the most wise things said in this thread

in the end, i still don't get wtf is a 'christian track'. is a christian track a track made by a christian producer? then why some andy hunter tracks are christian and other aren't? is a christian track a track which has a girl happily cheesily singing about angels? someone enlighten me

and yeah i got to agree with Lira up there too, those wankers use religion and spirituality as a bridge between drugs and music


Posted by pooley on Feb-13-2004 14:30:

All that christianity has nothing to do with music.
Fuck religions, it's just an escape of reality to "be happy" believing in lies.

get real dudes, cut the crap with this "christian" music.

Let's brainwash some more, keep your believe for yourself, it's about music... so don't start with the "Christion trance" or whatever, that total bollox.


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