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Originally posted by DigiNut P.S. To all the MEN in this thread, some of you have probably heard me say this before but don't take advice on this subject from women.

I'm hurt!!! I give great advice on any subject! So there!


"Well that is all well and good, but while you're at it, how about playing mind games with the guys who treat you like sex objects and cutting the crap with the guys who don't give you any crap? You know... instead of the other way around. "


That makes sence. However, it cuts down above 10% of the guys we could play mind games on. Besides I thought it was already settled that all guys are after sex, some are just nicer about it and hide it better. So, you cant't really divide guys who treat women as sex object and guys who don't.You all treat us as sex objects in one way or anouther.

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Originally posted by MysticStardust ...That makes sence. However, it cuts down above 10% of the guys we could play mind games on.

That's true... but going about it the other way cuts out about 90% of the guys you could actually succeed in a long term relationship with. You'll understand when you're older.

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Besides I thought it was already settled that all guys are after sex, some are just nicer about it and hide it better.

Now I definitely don't remember settling on THAT... besides which, even to concede that a guy is after sex by NO means validates any speculation about him treating women as sex objects - and therefore, by no means validates your mind games. Better luck next time!

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Originally posted by MysticStardust Alrighty then. It's setteled, you treat us as sex objects and we'll treat you as our toys. Then, we'll see who'll have more fun and who will be more messed in the end.

It seems the world is composed of those who care, and those who don't....the one's who care about the pety things end up getting their wankers chopped off by the evil ice queens from the north....the one's that don't end up wondering what the hell went wrong haha

that made no sense, but that's alright!

I know there are a hell of a lot of dicks out there, but the ladies have to stop putting up these protective fronts just because they were farked with about 1.3 years ago....if a guy is nice, hey awesome...if he's a bastard, what the hell are you doing with him?

All too often its not the guys fault for being an ass, it's the girls fault for putting up with it....and vice versa

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Originally posted by Magimaster this post is quality. You should change the "don't smell desperate" with "confidence". Confidence is huuuuuuuge. Almost being cocky...

i'm a teaser because i'm such a Loki.

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Originally posted by DigiNut That's true... but going about it the other way cuts out about 90% of the guys you could actually succeed in a long term relationship with. You'll understand when you're older. Now I definitely don't remember settling on THAT... besides which, even to concede that a guy is after sex by NO means validates any speculation about him treating women as sex objects - and therefore, by no means validates your mind games. Better luck next time!

I'll understand when I'm older? Ok, so who made you the king of relationships?


Call me blonde, but I had some problems comprehending this part "to concede that a guy is after sex by NO means validates any speculation about him treating women as sex objects" , but I think that statement totally contradicts itself. Basically what I got from that was �if a guy is after sex, it doesn�t mean that he treats women as sex object�, in which case the sentence is contradictory to itself. So I�m kind of lost.

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Originally posted by MysticStardust I'll understand when I'm older? Ok, so who made you the king of relationships?

Self-appointed, ma'am. But seeing as how I have no subjects at the moment, I think the point is moot. That observation merely comes from a logical mind and many a time watching people make the wrong choices. But hey, don't take my word for it, see for yourself... keep playing those games of yours and see where they get you.

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Call me blonde, but ... Basically what I got from that was �if a guy is after sex, it doesn�t mean that he treats women as sex object�, in which case the sentence is contradictory to itself.

So because a guy wants to get it on, it therefore means it's the only thing he wants or cares about? Heh, you must be blonde.

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Originally posted by astroboy Well I reallise that, but almost every woman I run into can't seem to be able to decide what she finds attractive... First she wants the bad guy, then the funny guy, then the sensitive guy, then the nice guy... I see people get seriously messed up by all of this... That's why I've opted out of the mind games

Not everyone plays mind games. Many people just interpret things incorrectly because they are so set on seeing what they want to see that they bypass the signs that tell them things are heading in the other direction.

Maybe we should all skip the categories we look for and not look and be happy when something finds you?

Or in my case, curl up next to the one that makes you happy. Be blunt about things, that's what I do!

I would agree, just because you're after sex doesn't mean you treat a woman as a sex object. The term "sex object" gets its roots from feminist philosophy and implies that the woman becomes almost an inanimate object, devoid of humanity, to be used for one's personal sexual gratification. If I wanted that I'd just use my hand... the whole point of sex is that it involves two conscious individual interracting and gaining mutual enjoyment out of it. So clearly a guy can be after sex, and not turn women into objects of any kind.

Secondly I would concur with Digi - I have never known mind games to lead to long-lasting relationships. Plenty of cases I've seen of failed relationshi after failed relationship, with the mind games starting out as innocent immature fun, then turning into a pattern of behaviour that becomes hard to break. While a lot of guys get screwed over and get their hearts broken by these girls, eventually it is the girl who suffers, because she hasn't learned to form relationships without games, and is left incapable of forming them.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Be blunt about things, that's what I do!

Now that's good advice for everyone. Just put all your cards on the table and tell it like it is. That way there would be no mind games.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Be blunt about things, that's what I do! [/font]

You're my type, anuneventrade...

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Originally posted by astroboy Now that's good advice for everyone. Just put all your cards on the table and tell it like it is. That way there would be no mind games.

Good advice if you can follow it... seems that the people who say they do it distinctly outnumber the ones who actually do it.

EDIT: Something I just thought of, in addition to steering clear of the drama queens, be wary of the ones who talk shit about their past relationships like they were a sweet angel and just got mindfucked... there's no such thing as a perfect boy/girlfriend, and the blame game should be an indicator that they haven't admitted their mistakes and hence, haven't learned from them.

Mind you, I'm not trying to generalize, just pointing out a dangerous pattern of behaviour that we guys often seem to mistake for vulnerability. For anyone who's ever been sucked in by a rebounder, you know what I'm talkin' about. /off-topic /hijack

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Originally posted by Shad0wmaster You're my type, anuneventrade...

Am I now? You've figured that out from my two posts (now three) in this thread? What if I told you I look like a horribly ugly evil munchkin?! Am I still your type?

A lot of people I encounter at my job only want sex, and I know this. This is why I pay no mind to the comments I get at work. Besides, I have difficulty giving a complete stranger my number. I need to at least talk to the person for a while, find out if they're decent. Unfortunately, I was the victim of a mind game that was played for about two months just a week and a half ago, but once I realized that I got out of that situation, and thankfully, someone was there to make me forget about all of that crap

WHOA there

Relax, I was kidding! I guess this is the new rule for male/female interaction on TA...guy attempts to say something reasonably nice to girl, girl almost flames guy...yah, makes sense.



It's all good

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Originally posted by Shad0wmaster WHOA there Relax, I was kidding! I guess this is the new rule for male/female interaction on TA...guy attempts to say something reasonably nice to girl, girl almost flames guy...yah, makes sense. It's all good

Can no one take a joke anymore? I was teasing right back!

I know, so was I.

girls AND guys want sex. i love the way women always try to make it look like the guy is the bad one all the time, by only wanting a quickie with some girl from a club. but it goes the other way too. there's girls that go to clubs that WANT to get picked up by some guy, and they want to get layed just as (if not more than, i've heard) much as the guy does. it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out which girls to find when you're looking for sex or if you're looking for a long term thing. and if a girl is talking to a dick at a club, she knows she's gonna give it up for him that night. it's not that hard to understand. i've found that, talking to a lot of friends, and talk radio as well, that basically (a large number of)women want guys to take them home, hump the crap out of them, then call them a week later. women like the abuse (some women that is). because of course everyone is different, but you get the picture. as for the mind games, i hate them just as much as every guy does, they get old REALLY fast, but i guess that's life. i tend to stay away from that b.s., i just tell it like it is, and most of the time the games disappear. a great tactic.

maybe those gurls should just wore a sign: "I wanna get boinked!"

eliminate the trouble for those guys in figuring which is which.

Everybody wants sex, guy or girl, the main difference is that some people just need more time to build up to that. But these days we demand instant gratification, it used to be the 3rd date rule and now it's probably the 1st date rule, by the end of the night you must either be pounding it on the living room couch or giving each other the "let's just be friends" speech. Again with that black-and-white dichotomy that really just makes things more complicated.

I'm definitely in the "slow" camp, and the problem I have is that most of the girls who are confident enough to let me know that they're interested aren't also patient enough to give me time to get comfortable. I'm sure a lot of females have the same problem with guys, and eventually decide to be "easy" because they're tired of all of it.

Strangely enough, it seems to be the much younger, immature ones that do things right when it comes to the physical stuff... too bad they're emotional nightmares.

Honestly, what's the point of all the mind games... it's so hard to say "I like you?" Yes, you may sound like a 14-year-old, for about 3 seconds, but then at least I know that (a) there's a point in pursuing it, and (b) you're not a total slut.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I'm definitely in the "slow" camp, and the problem I have is that most of the girls who are confident enough to let me know that they're interested aren't also patient enough to give me time to get comfortable.

are u sure ur not a female robot?

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Originally posted by DigiNut I'm definitely in the "slow" camp, and the problem I have is that most of the girls who are confident enough to let me know that they're interested aren't also patient enough to give me time to get comfortable.

Same thing with me.

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Originally posted by igottaknow are u sure ur not a female robot?

Hey, it's not like I'm squeamish and I don't watch a lot of porn or something, it's just that I wasn't brought up to idolize the "player". I'd be uncomfortable with a girl who wanted to have sex on the first night without even fooling around first - it's happened - or perhaps I should say, it could have happened but didn't. Some people just aren't like that, and I don't think it makes sense to say that those people are somehow not "real" men. I honestly don't have it in me to play games or be phoney.

...which, as I allude to in my sig, is an admirable but generally useless trait. But we are who we are.

And don't worry, I know you were joking.

All this talk is good, but if one just wishes to get away from it all, you can have the comforting thought that Yes, it is possible.

If you simply stop caring altogether, all these 1001 relationship problems just vanish. It's quite easy!

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Originally posted by DigiNut So because a guy wants to get it on, it therefore means it's the only thing he wants or cares about? Heh, you must be blonde.

Yes. Yes I am .

If guy wants to get it on 24/7 then he will be treating women as sex objects. Don't you agree?

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Originally posted by MysticStardust Yes. Yes I am . If guy wants to get it on 24/7 then he will be treating women as sex objects. Don't you agree?

Actually I think I disagree. Being horny doesn't necessarily equal being a womanizer.

BUT, I never said 24/7 in the first place. And I'm talking too much in this thread. Argue on PM if you want.

c'mon guys..


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