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Originally posted by Miss Bliss I'm a girl and I come to trance events for the music... And I'll pay just as much as any guy will! What happened to me at PVD @ Roxy: Weird guy comes up to me: "Hey, what price? You buy? You come?" Me: "Huh? What? What are you selling?" Guy: "No, you come with me. You come and I give you money!" He whips out hundred dollar bills. Me: "I AIN'T NO PROSTITUTE!" Guy: Blank stare. "You come?" Slick: Megadeth lyrics. Good old gods of metal...

Miss Bliss,

May I suggest something? Please take these poor bastards out and show them a good time. The Atlanta TAs are always having get-togethers. This is what you guys need. Sort of like a support group.

Hi. My name is MaEsTro.
"Hi MaEsTro"
I'm a Trance addict. Now play some f*king tunes. Get the idea?

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss I'm a girl and I come to trance events for the music... And I'll pay just as much as any guy will! What happened to me at PVD @ Roxy: Weird guy comes up to me: "Hey, what price? You buy? You come?" Me: "Huh? What? What are you selling?" Guy: "No, you come with me. You come and I give you money!" He whips out hundred dollar bills. Me: "I AIN'T NO PROSTITUTE!" Guy: Blank stare. "You come?" Slick: Megadeth lyrics. Good old gods of metal...

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Will you be down for Ultra?

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Originally posted by galdamez Some dudes at these events can be mad weird. I don't blame girls for not wanting to come to an EDM event when you got bozos like that walking around. If possible, bring friends.

You're right. I see this more in NY then in Miami. Some are predators, some are just young cocky little f*ckers that don't know how to act. BTW, what is with those "Chest Shaving Sissy Boys" that like to take their shirts off and dance together? Gay men aren't normally so agressive.

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Originally posted by el.maestro You're right. I see this more in NY then in Miami. Some are predators, some are just young cocky little f*ckers that don't know how to act. BTW, what is with those "Chest Shaving Sissy Boys" that like to take their shirts off and dance together? Gay men aren't normally so agressive.

i'm annoyed most by the ones that just shove and push their way thru a crowd... i thought there's a way of doing it without violenty displacing people...

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Originally posted by wallflower Roxy isn't the only option... It's very difficult to do a weekly trance event in NYC (maybe Avalon is the closest thing)because of all the options and competition. It gives more reason for ppl to wanna go to different places, and not the same place every week. And in terms of pulling in ppl, it that seems that often a big house DJ will win out over a trance DJ that is just as good but just not as well known, even for many TA's (but I could be wrong) There's plenty of trance events in the upcoming weeks, some even competing with each other. Check the Party Planner thread. Be glad for all the talent that comes into NYC The clubs aren't perfect, but having them and the DJ's there at all is very good for a start. Just come and enjoy the music. If you don't like the crowd, bring your own. Or just drink more or keep your eyes closed or something. Support them so that they continue to come in and come back, and so that there's even a chance to improve on the issues you've mentioned. Also support the smaller events (like TFST, Prognosis, Future Progression, to name a few), most of which are put on by TA's here. Then maybe they might have a chance to build up into something bigger. Or do your own event, so that there can be something with everything you want.

I like where you're going with this. Because that has been the problem with NY for the last 40 years. A small group of people decide what is cool for everyone else. I'd like nothing more than to see warehouses used for parties weekly. Create a new scene. A better one.

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Originally posted by trunks1022 i'm annoyed most by the ones that just shove and push their way thru a crowd... i thought there's a way of doing it without violenty displacing people...

I'm thinking ..... "Cattle Prod" or "Stun Gun". Wait, violence is not the answer.

The problem here is, that these are exactly the type of people that need to be discrimenated against. If a venue is full of these idiots, it ruins the vibe for everyone else. I say find another place or throw your own parties.

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Originally posted by el.maestro \ Will you be down for Ultra?

Blah... no. Couldn't get ANYBODY together/I'm a college student & money's tight. One bad thing about being a girl who actually KNOWS HER STUFF about all kinds of EDM is I feel like not many guys who know THEIR stuff take me seriously! I don't have many friends who go out with me to big events... sometimes I end up going alone. Like I said, it's for the music... so still a good time!
And yea, some of those guys are gross. You don't see ME trying to get up in anybody's sh*t...

All he's sayin' is that he wants to go see PVD with some frickin' females there as well... it's still a party and a sausage festival isn't any straight guys idea of a party. I went with a girl so I was cool however it sucked being surrounded by guys all night on the floor. Are you mostly gay here? Come on, support the guy, it's true.

I'm a girl, and I definitely agree, although I never thought about it. I went to PVD @ roxy with 5 guys, and danced with one I met there most of the night, but everytime he'd leave to get water or something there would be like 8 guys grabbing at me...not pleasant.

Now that I think about it, there were mostly guys there, at least on the dance floor. I absolutely love trance, but basically most of the people I find who also love trance are guys; all my girlfriends like hip hop, which I can't stand.

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Originally posted by I heart trance I absolutely love trance, but basically most of the people I find who also love trance are guys; all my girlfriends like hip hop, which I can't stand.

i feel ya. hip hop -->

I agree with no girls on the dancefloor, but dont generalize people that work out at the gym to stay healthy and in good shape.

Another thing.

Trance will never be big in USA.

And i like it that way.

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Originally posted by I heart trance I'm a girl, and I definitely agree, although I never thought about it. I went to PVD @ roxy with 5 guys, and danced with one I met there most of the night, but everytime he'd leave to get water or something there would be like 8 guys grabbing at me...not pleasant. Now that I think about it, there were mostly guys there, at least on the dance floor. I absolutely love trance, but basically most of the people I find who also love trance are guys; all my girlfriends like hip hop, which I can't stand.

And that is exactly the type of sh*t that is F*cking up the vibe at these parties. It would seem that there are too many guys there just for the sake of going rather than those there for PVD. Years ago, I Oz Fest and Prodigy in the same month. I normally would not have gone but because I had a few friends that really wanted to go, I did.

What I found interesting was that I recognized some of the people from Oz Fest @ the Prodigy concert. The crowd didn't know what to do. I saw a look of dissapointment on Liam's face as the crowd didn't really care if they played or not. The crowd just wanted a place to get stoned and slam dance. It was almost like they were trying too hard to have a good time. WTF is wrong with this picture?

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Originally posted by SebG I agree with no girls on the dancefloor, but dont generalize people that work out at the gym to stay healthy and in good shape.

There's nothing wrong with that. But when someone is overtly agressive in a crowd and pushes people arround, that's not right. When I was in the service, I was in the best shape of my life. But I never remember pushing people around because I could.

But in NY, I can see why it happens.

"If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line"

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Miss Bliss: Slick: Megadeth lyrics. Good old gods of metal...

Holy shit! Soemone who knows of metal's heyday! On Tranceaddict! Very cool, Miss Bliss. Very cool.

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lelandmuler: All he's sayin' is that he wants to go see PVD with some frickin' females there as well... it's still a party and a sausage festival isn't any straight guys idea of a party. I went with a girl so I was cool however it sucked being surrounded by guys all night on the floor. Come on, support the guy, it's true.

lelandmulder: Thanks for your support! As I said before, I go for the total "club experience" - and for me the true club experience has always included women! Sausage-fests are not a recipie for fun in my book.

And to answer wallflower, my attendance to trance events has declined (but not ceased) steadily over the last two years, for two reasons:

1) I started producing - can't go out and party every weekend when I have have to stay inside and learn technique

2) During this same time period, I had attended a number of weekly attempts, some thrown by close friends of mine, all of which failed miserably

While I admit I haven't been to any of the monthlies thrown by the TAers, I must say that seeing so many failed trance parties took somewhat of a toll on me (I remember one particularly bad night at Vudu, when the crowd ran off the floor like cockaroaches exposed to light whenever any sort of EDM came on).

I'm not judging the whole scene based on one night (PVD@Roxy) as there are certainly folk who keep the scene alive outside of big events. However, when you see the crowd at such a high profile trance gathering, I believe its more or less indicative to "general health" of the scene.

I don't have beef with any DJ or even members of the NYC trance commnuity who for some odd reason, believe that women are an inconsequential or irrelevant aspect of an EDM event ("I go only for the music" = NOT my point of view, I go for the whole deal).

Basically, I remember a day when trance yielded some killer times with killer people - nowadays, I can't get that vibe back, not even at PVD. So hence my vocalizations on improving the scene. I honestly believe trance is some of the best music our world has to offer right now. Being a New Yorker, its my opinion that this music should be properly represented in our town, which is, hands down, one of the best cities in the world.

Anyways, I'm glad to see more posters come out of the woodwork - and Miss Bliss, once again, kudos. I wasn't expecting to run into any Megadeth fans on this board!

Peace,
Slick

"Peace sells. . .but who's buyin?"

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Originally posted by Mr_Slick lelandmulder: Thanks for your support! As I said before, I go for the total "club experience" - and for me the true club experience has always included women! Sausage-fests are not a recipie for fun in my book. And to answer wallflower, my attendance to trance events has declined (but not ceased) steadily over the last two years, for two reasons: 1) I started producing - can't go out and party every weekend when I have have to stay inside and learn technique 2) During this same time period, I had attended a number of weekly attempts, some thrown by close friends of mine, all of which failed miserably While I admit I haven't been to any of the monthlies thrown by the TAers, I must say that seeing so many failed trance parties took somewhat of a toll on me (I remember one particularly bad night at Vudu, when the crowd ran off the floor like cockaroaches exposed to light whenever any sort of EDM came on). I'm not judging the whole scene based on one night (PVD@Roxy) as there are certainly folk who keep the scene alive outside of big events. However, when you see the crowd at such a high profile trance gathering, I believe its more or less indicative to "general health" of the scene. ... Basically, I remember a day when trance yielded some killer times with killer people - nowadays, I can't get that vibe back, not even at PVD. So hence my vocalizations on improving the scene. I honestly believe trance is some of the best music our world has to offer right now. Being a New Yorker, its my opinion that this music should be properly represented in our town, which is, hands down, one of the best cities in the world.

Slick, then where have you gone recently, when you have been able to go out?
And what are some of the best trance nights in NYC that you've ever been to?
And what other "failed trance parties" have you attended, besides Vudu Lounge ?

Wallflower:

Despite my reservations about the amount of girls, I'd have to say Roxy delivers on the music side. PVD does his thing there of course, but I usually have an especially good time when Armin comes to town (I believe it was last summer, he was rockin the floor with some deep/prog house-ish type of beats sped up way over their original tempo - different and cool).

Marco V at Arc was great - good atmosphere and excitement in the female challenged crowd, except for some crackface wandering around in front, wielding a lighter like he was at a rock concert

Armin@arc was also excellent. Just the overall vibe at his events pack a lot of energy.

As for the weekly parties, I don't have much in terms of specifics. Most of that happened over a year ago, when we would follow a lead, pile in a car, and check it out. The lack of reception I saw combined with my continued involvement with production dictated that I didn't have as much time for them anymore (hence me only catching the bigger events as time went on).

I was supposed to hit up one of Victor Dinaire's gatherings recently (which I hear are always rockin'), but unfortunately, I couldn't make it.

As for best trance events EVER? Not an easy question. . .recently, I'd have to say Summerstage with PVD was awesome, if not for his set (which some people didn't like) but for the overall event. Great crowd, great venue, great times.

Best parties of all time? This is going back, but I'd have to say the Caffeine parties at the Vanderbilt are at the top of my personal list. The combination of the music, crowd, and venue (which was absolutely amazing) set a standard which I still have yet to see beat.

Lastly, you could throw in some Space dates from the last WMC too (PVD, Mauro Picotto, Tiesto) - all crowded, but each DJ raised the roof. I had a lot of fun at those events, they made the whole trip for me. The WMC before that, I'd have to say the Perfecto showcase at Liquid was the best; D:Fuse and Oakey rocked the house (and I had the added bonus of sneaking into VIP - good memories).

So there you have it, wallflower. Have I provided a list sufficient enough to justify some of the comparisons I've been making, or am I going to get a bright light shined in my face next?

Events like the ones I have mentioned above illustrate some of what I would like to return to NYC - I wonder how many people here share that desire, because there are certainly a number of folk who want NYC trance to stay "as is". Its an interesting issue, but to each his own, I suppose.

Peace,
Slick

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Originally posted by SebG Another thing. Trance will never be big in USA. And i like it that way.

Exactly. Me too...

Re: Re: The Sorry State of Trance in Our Beloved NYC

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Originally posted by jdat ok there buddy chill it a tad will you ? I don't live in the city and I'm there only on "rare" occasions. I never really thought there was a lack of females but to be honest I don't pay attention to the attendance... All I know is that roxy is famous for the huge lines at the girls's bathroom when there's headliners .... Maybe that's where they all are!

That is exactly where we are. We are waiting for over 30min to use the bathroom!!!

Ok... There were a lot of guys at PvD. I think this had a lot to do with the fact that management wasn't letting in people without tickets until after 2. Why? Well, who would buy tickets for a PvD show? Fans, trance fans, PvD fans, whatever... The fact of the matter is that men are bigger fans of this music than women are.

So we get a club full of guys and yes, it sucks. It's not as bad when they let people in without tickets though. You get the regular Roxy crowd which is a little less male-heavy. Then again, they generally don't know much about the music so I wouldn't consider them part of the trance scene here.

So your real problem isn't that there aren't enough women at trance events but that there aren't enough women into trance in general.... at least not as many women as there are men... It's sad, yes, and it makes for a sausage fest at a fans only trance party. I don't really see what we can do to change it though. Trance is a very male genre of music.

Then again, some dj's just attract a lot more girls too. Tiesto, Armin, Gabriel and Dresden... those all should and have been good for girls in the past.

i don't live in ny, but I've been there twice in the past two summers and the music genres of nyc are alot more generalized then the rest of the us. obviously the majority of people prefer hip-hop over any genre in ny, it's a given and it's a girl's 'choice' of music to dance to.

anyway, what I'm trying to say is that nyc might have a hard-time bringing up that guy:girl ratio up in clubs.. Out here in the west, we have alot of asians who are trance-heads which make up alot of girls that we get at raves, and our girl:guy ratios are getting pretty good now, about 60:40, at bigger events it's even. so i guess it also might just be a stereotypical racial difference as well when it comes to trying to populate trance clubs.

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Originally posted by Aya Brea you can't forget the fact that half the girls here on long island listen to other music (rap, hip-hop, r&b, pop shit). Atleast my friends do. I can never get them to come to any clubs with me because they don't enjoy the music that I enjoy. my friends go to grimey clubs that play shit music and have guys who will come right behind you and stick their wang against your ass. maybe your friends think thats what every club is like. i find that going to clubs that play our kind of music have much more classier people there. i also think that the majority of people who enjoy trance or other edm are guys, it just seems that way. atleast in nyc. i have to admitt though, it was really pathetic when about 10 guys piled on one of the platforms in the back of roxy at pvd last friday. they all had their shirts off and were doing fist pumps and shit, it was sooooo bad. i can see how that'd turn guys off.

what the fuck are fist pumps ?

so if you see me in a club and i am not wearing a shirt do you automatically assume that i am a piece of shit ? that i dont dig trance ?

well you know suckers, if you really were so serious about music as you purport to be, you would be listening to psychedelic trance like X-Dream and Dark Soho and not the cheezy garbage you all rave about.

so when you're thinking "oh this meathead doesn't understand trance" thats the exact opposite of the truth - cuz it is YOU who don't understand REAL trance.

/end rant

wait a sec, not just yet. and how come nobody complains about girls that dont wear enough, or wear tank-tops that say "FUCK ME" ??? i sense hypocrisy ...

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Originally posted by Choobak So your real problem isn't that there aren't enough women at trance events but that there aren't enough women into trance in general.... at least not as many women as there are men...

that problem is not unique to Trance. Metal has this even worse.

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Originally posted by vasyachkin what the fuck are fist pumps ? so if you see me in a club and i am not wearing a shirt do you automatically assume that i am a piece of shit ? that i dont dig trance ? ..... wait a sec, not just yet. and how come nobody complains about girls that dont wear enough, or wear tank-tops that say "FUCK ME" ??? i sense hypocrisy ...

Meh... guys have it easy. Take your shirt off and girls fall all over you. And here us girls are tryin to dance like everybody else while at the same time keep our boobs in our shirts. Jizn' ne spravedlyiva.

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Originally posted by vasyachkin that problem is not unique to Trance. Metal has this even worse.

not true.

there's alot of female metal-heads from the ages of 20-35 nation-wide.. this isn't even including nu-metal. just depends where you live, go south and there's alot of women into metal. go west(here) there's a pretty good size population of female metal-heads.(young and old) due to the fact metal was born here =)

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