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Totaly with u room2dance on this one. Toooo much crowd is, if not anything else, killing party. No room to move, dance etc. For special events it would be great thing to buy tickets in advance and to limit the number of ppl that can come in.
I dont want to talk about "what if" scenarios, but the disaster is just waiting to happen.

Those who're saying, "leave the place alone, we don't want it shut down," would have a different attitude if one of these weekends there was an incident of some sort and people died, including there friends. If that were to happen, hopefully it won't, everyone would then be crying, "how come nothing was ever done."

To the person saying they're going to file a report, more power to you if you do AND can follow through with it. It's complained about a lot, but noone ever follows through on things.

Get one of the news channels involved, I bet you could find someone looking for a great story!

if the Guv actually gets shut down it'll be for one of 2 reasons:

1. Violation of firecodes after a final warning and fines.

2. Somebody dies after some tragedy from over crowding.

Personally i'd rather take my chances with the first one!

i believe that they should re-construct the entire complex, make it twice as big. that would make things easier and smooth. and i dont know why some people on this thread think that "room2dance" is trying to shut the guv down.. like cmon people, we can make things better in the future, not continue with the suffocation. and again, that doesnt mean im trying to shut down the guv. and as someone said in here, its all z103.5's fault and ginomania has arrived at guv, well i dont listen to the station so i dont know when they played rock your body rock, but however i agree its all their fault. z103 should shut down....

personally i think the main room is crowded because of it's design.. the fact that it's long and not wide as well as the location of the washrooms and the bars. If you take Koolhaus for example, it's washrooms are located on opposite corners and it has a bar on 3/4 sides. I doubt any floor plan changes would be made cheap or easy tho ..

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Originally posted by dj_moonshine i believe that they should re-construct the entire complex, make it twice as big. that would make things easier and smooth.

dood.. do you read what yer typing? Is this feasible from a business standpoint? Guv itself doesn't need to be made twice as big, it's the crowd limit that has to be enforced.

crowd limit=less revenue=less DJs
or they could jack up prices
if they want the crowds they have now, something should/needs to be done.

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Originally posted by j_spot crowd limit=less revenue=less DJs or they could jack up prices if they want the crowds they have now, something should/needs to be done.

jack up prices ..

ahh .. the good old BETTER LIVING CENTER DAYS!!

im actually suprised they dont charge like 5-10$ more for the special events, im pretty sure they would make more money, cuz the # ppl who wouldnt come would be minimal

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Originally posted by dEsidEL ahh .. the good old BETTER LIVING CENTER DAYS!!

thats the answer!! the dude who owns the Guv complex should buy the BLC and redesign it.. just think how massive things could really be!

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Originally posted by bucky thats the answer!! the dude who owns the Guv complex should buy the BLC and redesign it.. just think how massive things could really be!

and you know the biggest irony behind all this was that the city was trying to stop raves from going on in city owned property because they felt they were "unsafe". and now look at what we have .. a packed Guvernment on a Saturday nite with an accident waiting to happen ..

one can argue that these events at Guv would have taken place anyways, but atleast having massives at the BLC still offers an alternative to those not willing to take the chance of being put in an unsafe environment..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL and you know the biggest irony behind all this was that the city was trying to stop raves from going on in city owned property because they felt they were "unsafe". and now look at what we have .. a packed Guvernment on a Saturday nite with an accident waiting to happen ..

Only difference is that if something bad happens at the Guv, they can hold individuals accountable. When things happened at the BLC, the city was held accountable for allowing such things to go on.

It's all about who blame can be layed onto.

Ya think back to the times when the fire alarm went off at the BLC (freakin and new years 2001), they were able to clear the place out quickly and orderly.. if a fire alarm went off at the Guv, well.. it'd be a mad house.

Atleast room2dance has done something more then bitch about how crowded the place is. That takes balls man, good job!

One thing that i don't get is ppl bitching that "if Guv closes, they've lost the best place for Int DJ talent".

Please, if anything Guv has screwed over the local scene by raising the financial bar to the point other clubs can't compete. Mike Greco (former System promoter) often called it the Deathstar, with it's superlaser of cash it pointed @ the other clubs. After a DJ plays Guv, they sure as hell aren't likely to take much less $$ to play a smaller venue here, or often have contracts SOLELY with GUV for recording/appearances.

It's only a testament to the great variety of partiers and ppl running the scene here that we have what we have. Toronto has a good thing going, but one that could explode even more if the Guv weren't around.

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Originally posted by sExY pErSiAn That's fucking HORRIBLE!!!!!!! Another good thing about clubs in the US... if something like that happened, they would rush the kid to the hospital! Not leave him behind some dumpster!!!! What if the kid OD'd to the point that god forbid, he died????

erm...what about all the shit that happened at twilight in NYC?

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Yeah - but this is what might happen as a result of his/her actions. room2dance: You don't speak for me. I hope your seemingly "righteous" actions don't ruin Toronto's best spot for seeing the world's greatest DJs.

RJ, I'm really surprised that you value seeing a good DJ for cheap over the safety of 1200 or so people.

I've always said I hope Guv gets shut down. Not only would it put this issue to rest, but it would allow other clubs and promoters room to breathe a bit. It is not the international talent that flows through the city that keeps the scene alive, it's the people who go out to hear them, the vibe at parties, the diversity of events and crowds. By this measure, I think our scene is getting stale...probably 80% of international DJs come to play at Guv and System. (and you know my feelings on both)

It's the small parties, the one-time events put on by promoters, that really take into account what the SCENE wants. They have one chance to make their event successful, so they're going to try and make that event perfect! Unlike Guv, that knows they have an oblivious crowd every weekend, or system that is so money hungry that they can't even close their doors during renovations.

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Originally posted by Special K some of you younger peeps (lol @ me saying that hehe) might find this hard to believe but GUV circa 99/00 was a ROCKIN party. And im not talking about for special events or whatever, im talking about Saturday nights with Mark Oliver. That room had a great party vibe, people would actually going off to Marks music, not like what it seems like today. Girls used to go there and the crowd wasnt as sketchy either. NOW? ugggggh I dont even wanna talk about that place...the place is a total writeoff... IMO

Blame that On Progg!

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Originally posted by j_spot I want a girl to empty her waterbra, then fill it up with gasoline wear that into the guv, take the gasoline, pour it on the cement along a back wall with no flamable materials (so that when the gas is gone, the fire is gone) then light it. see the panic that ensues and how many people are seriously hurt, if not killed. Ive thought of doing what room2dance is doing myself, but know that Im not going to be in TO long enuf to follow thru on it. If they have to get shut down because they endanger people, then so be it. I could really care less. I dont support guv unless Im really dying to see somebody, and then I raelise that I really might die. Its not hard to get trampled to death in a crowd that size.

Hey we can do that in any club..It'll defenitely create panic....

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck One thing that i don't get is ppl bitching that "if Guv closes, they've lost the best place for Int DJ talent". Please, if anything Guv has screwed over the local scene by raising the financial bar to the point other clubs can't compete. Mike Greco (former System promoter) often called it the Deathstar, with it's superlaser of cash it pointed @ the other clubs. After a DJ plays Guv, they sure as hell aren't likely to take much less $$ to play a smaller venue here, or often have contracts SOLELY with GUV for recording/appearances. It's only a testament to the great variety of partiers and ppl running the scene here that we have what we have. Toronto has a good thing going, but one that could explode even more if the Guv weren't around.

I'd tend to agree with you and I'm really not trying to defend the Guv, but something just occurred to me: do you think that maybe the Guv already has such a stranglehold on Toronto's scene that most DJs would refuse to spin for smaller clubs/lower prices even if the Guv was shut down?

I'm not sure about the economics of this. Obviously, if the Guv were shut down, the situation would stabilize eventually and other clubs would start bringing in talent - but part of me wonders if that would take, say, a few weeks... or a few years.

Not that I care either way, since there's always System, Boa, Element, Viva, and so on, so there would still be a scene, it just might thin out a bit in the short term.

Even if that happened though, I think it would still be nothing but beneficial in the long term. We have a scene here because of demand, not supply.

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Originally posted by Skipper erm...what about all the shit that happened at twilight in NYC?

If u are talking about Twilo in NYC... why do u think they closed it down?

I'm telling you... clubs in LA are so much more strict. When I was in TO a few months ago, I was shocked out how things were run there. From being able to smoke ciggs inside, to being able to smoke weed inside, to how PACKED Guv got in Oakenfold's room. Things like that are unheard of out here!!!!!!

Twilo was closed down for A LOT more reasons than overcrowding.


And the differences.... that's Canada vs the United States. More relaxed vs strict guidelines.

Ya, I didn't say overcrowding was the reason for it being closed down. You're right, there were many reasons... drugs probably being the main thing.

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Originally posted by room2dance Well so far the response here has been what I expected. Most in favour, a few afraid I'm rocking the boat. Again, it is not my intention to shut down the Guv. I like the Guv and plan on attending the April 8th party. In fact the reason I'm doing this is because I DO enjoy the Guv, I just want to make sure the next time I go back isn't like the last. This is by no means a radical move. Clubs are warned about overcrowding all the time before any action takes place and hopefully a warning here will sink in to the Guv mamagement and make them think twice about how many people the let in the next time. For the people who think I should leave this alone and put a night of dancing in front of the safey of other people I'm not even going to dignify that position with a response. It doesn't deserve one.

OK, I hear ya bout the over-crowding and I agree, but don't let this go too far. The City fat cats are waitin for a reason to shut down . Focus only on the overcrowding. Remember, that it only gets really overcrowded when it's a big name like Corsten/Digweed or Tiesto.
As for the security search....u guys need to chill on this one. They are doing their job. I was at the Guv on Saturday and I had no probs with security check. They even took my keychain and put it somewhere safe (with good reason--if outta my hands it cud of been used as a weapon). By comparison, your bouncers/security vs. those at a New York clubs (which is where I grew up) are pussycats. Be thankful you got them rather than a few dead bodies inside the event.

Try to negotiate with the guv and kool haus to fix this before going to the fire marshal and others? Try exhausting everything first. I don't remember anyone catching me as I walked out of the club to sign a petition about overcrowding. Has anyone done that yet?

Re: what the #$%% are you doing stupid

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Originally posted by Transparence001 leave guv alone, its rammed cause theres alot of people who want to go! End of story dont be stupid and try to make a difference, dont screw it up for the rest of us, if you do something stupid ie get the guv closed down there will be plenty of pissed off people and there will be no place for your candyravin ass to dance except at a some shitty club in the city. SO leave it alone stop to think what you are doing its not cool or a good idea to do this you are dumb and wasting your time and not thinking clearly. IF you dont like it dont go! you all know full well its gonna be rammed and its been rammed since the begining of its existence, so stop complaining. There is no substitute for guv so when its gone, its gone and theres no need to have it gone just cause someone was crying one day saying "boo hoo its so packed in here i cant dance " everyone who has ever been to guv has said those exact words and you dont see people being running to the fire marshall. P.S Go dance in the lake if you want room!

There are so many things said in this response that are untrue!! You, a fellow partier should understand that being confined in a crowd is not FUN. I understand you have to put up w/ it.. to an extent. I don't think he's trying to screw anything up - I think he's trying to make things better and safer. Do you know how many people get hurt because it's way too overcrowded? For example - ferry corsten this past weekend I got whacked in the face by some juiceheads elbow because trying to get out of the club was next to impossible! I didn't even get a sorry or anything.. and I bet he didn't even realize he did it because A) he was messed up, or B)It was too crowded to even tell. We are not sardines here, we go to dance adn listen to the dj's that play the music we love but instead we go and are surrounded by caous. They would never shut the guv down due to overcrowdedness - they would shut it down for other reasons. I honestly don't think he will get far w/ the firemarshall thing but it's worth a try and it's about time someone complained instead of complaining to eachother on here all the time. When I first started going to guv it was NEVER as crowded or cracked out as it is now.. but thanks to all the losers that love to go because it's "cool" and "popular", a place where they can get messed up and listen to music they know nothing about, (ignorant stereotype -but true).. we, the people who go for legitamite reasons lose out on having the chance to appreciate our music. So I give the guy props for at least attempting to fix this problem. THANK YOU FOR ATTEMPTING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM.

-Sarah
p.s. your attitude sucks

i remember seeing Tiesto play for the first time at the Guv back in July 2000 to a club 3/4 full where only half the people inside knew who he was.. i didn't even know what he looked like before he got up on the decks..

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