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can someone answer the point about legality..if they actually are from pvd etc tracks then you cant use em can you really..?

if we moved this thread to the chill out room we would get sum informational flaming, eh moog

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Originally posted by moog_baby can someone answer the point about legality..if they actually are from pvd etc tracks then you cant use em can you really..?

You can´t protect "baseDrums"... you can only protect from a track "Text" and "melody", no lines, no basedrums, no harmony (if the melody isn´t a harmony , no instruments and other ones...

greetinx, André

not true actually, any recordings taken from a track are copyrighted..
wether or not they can prove a bass drum is theres another matter, but I dont want to use stuff I shouldnt..djeternal I have no idea what your talking about..

In the U.S. any sort of sampling without permission is considered theft and is against the law, regardless of what it is you sampled/ripped off. There have even been cases where the ripper distorts the original sample a bit, but eventually it's proven that it was still ripped without permission, so ripper is at fault.

You can rip so many second of any recording you wish without a user's permission. I just forgot how many seconds. But if you ripped a kick you'll fine. nothing to warry... You can eaven rip someone's vocal - like a short phraze, and if it's under the determined time than there is no copyright violation, And this is something my friend was told by a record label fiew years ago, And that hasn't changed I belive...

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Originally posted by moog_baby not true actually, any recordings taken from a track are copyrighted.. wether or not they can prove a bass drum is theres another matter, but I dont want to use stuff I shouldnt..djeternal I have no idea what your talking about..

i was just sayin we might get the question answered if we moved it to the chill out room and get flamed for being "noob". But obviously it got answered...

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Originally posted by DJDIRTY You can rip so many second of any recording you wish without a user's permission. I just forgot how many seconds. But if you ripped a kick you'll fine. nothing to warry... You can eaven rip someone's vocal - like a short phraze, and if it's under the determined time than there is no copyright violation, And this is something my friend was told by a record label fiew years ago, And that hasn't changed I belive...

Sorry, but I have very hard to believe that. My profession is law, and I have never bounced into a copyright law that makes difference in seconds, words, pencil draws etc. That idea feels very strange to me. I don't know what state's copyright law you are talking about? As I don't claim to be any universal expert of copyright rules, I don't directly say that you would be wrong in your opinion, but I must say, what you stated above goes against the national copyright principles we have in the countries over here, and also remember that a great deal of countries have joined the international treaties on copyright, which work as base for the national legislation.

Regardless, stealing kicks is something that happens and gets overlooked. It's a tacit understanding between producers that their kicks are up for grabs.

bottom line line nicking anything from a copyrighted piece of audio is breaking copyright law..how much you samples is irrelevant..and yep bottom people do nick stuff including kicks..some producers wouldnt mind, and some I imagine would throw a paddy if you nicked a single kick of em..

I think you can sample up to 30secs of a song without paying roalyties. However you must fully acknowlage the sample and I'm not sure about the legality of using the sample in a new production though.

wicked, thanks!
and about the law thingie.. i heard that you're ok with samples less then a few seconds (dunno how much), like DJDIRTY said. but i dont know anything about laws and shit so i'd better shut up

SAMPLING

Well I accually took the time to find out what's going on, and it looks like this. Unfortuneatly the info my friend got from a label fiew years back is incorrect, Prehaps the person was missinformed themself.. But here is the real deal about sampling other's work, or small parts of it.


Sampling is the use of portions of prior recordings which are incorporated into a new composition. Sampling has become an integral part of many genres of music today. When you sample someone's song without permission, it is an instant copyright violation. It is the unauthorized use of copyrighted material owned by another. Sampling without permission violates two copyrights-the sound recording copyright (usually owned by the record company) and the copyright in the song itself (usually owned by the songwriter or the publishing company).

If you want to use a sample legally, you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. The copyright owner is usually a publishing company or record label. Remember that you must obtain permission from both the owner of the sound recording and the copyright owner of the underlying musical work. The fee for a license to use a sample can vary tremendously. The fee will depend on how much of the sample you intend to use (a quarter second is a minor use; five seconds, a major use), the music you intend to sample (a Madonna chorus will cost more than an obscure drum beat), and the intended use of the sample in your song (it is more costly to build your entire song around the sample than to give it only minor attention).

There are two different ways to pay for a license. First, you can pay a flat fee for the usage. A buy-out fee can range from $250 to $10,000 on a major label. Most fees fall between $1,000 and $2,000. The other way to pay for the license is a percentage of the mechanical royalty rate. The mechanical royalty rate is the amount a person pays to the copyright owner to make a mechanical reproduction (copy) of the song. A license which is a percentage of the mechanical royalty rate is generally between ˝ ˘ and 3˘ per record pressed. Everything is negotiable and it is not unusual to get a license for free, if you ask.

If all of this sounds confusing, there's hope. There are businesses devoted entirely to securing and negotiating clearances for samples. These firms charge less than an entertainment attorney would charge and are generally more knowledgeable about the going rates for uses.

If you use samples without obtaining the proper clearance licenses, you have to be aware of the penalties. A copyright infringer is liable for "statutory damages" that generally run from $500 to $20,000 for a single act of copyright infringement. If the court determines there has been wilful infringement, damages can run as high as $100,000. The copyright owner can also get a court to issue an injunction forcing you to cease violating the copyright owner's rights. The court can also force you to recall all your albums and destroy them.

There is also a rumor going around that you can use four notes of any song under the "fair use" doctrine. There is no "four note" rule in the copyright law. One note from a sound recording is a copyright violation. Saturday Night Live was sued for using the jingle, "I Love New York" which is only four notes. The test for infringement is whether the sample is "substantially similar" to the original. Remember, a judge or jury is the one who determines this and these people may be much less receptive to your music than your fans. My point is you cannot rely on fair use as a defense.

Sampling can also have tremendous consequences if you have a record contract. Most record contracts have provisions called "Warranties", "Indemnifications" and "Representations". These provisions constitute a promise that you created all the music on your album and an agreement to reimburse the label if it is sued. These same provisions are included in all contracts throughout the entertainment distribution chain. The record company has them with the artist, the distributors with the record company, the record stores with the distributors, and so on. Well, all these warranties point back at the artist who is responsible to everyone else! Therefore, if you violate someone else's copyright, you will be paying all the bills of your record company, distributor and any stores which incur expenses as a result of your infringement. This can run into serious money as you can imagine. You will also be in breach of your record contract. Read your record contract carefully before using any samples.

Hey at all they are not sure about the basedrums

use it, or let it very easy

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Originally posted by moog_baby bottom line line nicking anything from a copyrighted piece of audio is breaking copyright law..how much you samples is irrelevant..and yep bottom people do nick stuff including kicks..some producers wouldnt mind, and some I imagine would throw a paddy if you nicked a single kick of em..

Which is completely understandable because it can take a lot of time to get them right (eq, compressing, other efx, ...). Anyway I've got a better feeling using my own kicks and sounds in general.

Heres a simple solution:
Stop sucking and make your own kicks

nice post dirty

Thanks. I've downloaded them OK. Will check out when I'm at home.

does anyone still have this pack?
i used a lot of the kicks from it in various productions, and when my computer was stolen a few years back, i had a backup of my productions, but not of the individual samples. it would be a tremendous help if anyone could upload this pack again/send it to me.

apologies for the bump

Thanks for bringing this up again, Psy. I'd be keen to check them out too.

anyone, please?

Can anyone up this pack to a file sharing site...Please

Thanks in advance

Yeah, can anyone re-up?
Would still be useful to have.........

I'd like to have a look at these too

someone must still have this. if i was around here in 2004 id still have it.

Any chance of somebody uploading the original pack by Anergy.

Cheers

A

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