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Originally posted by Yoepus i think a point that should be taken is the following: when voting in a new president you are basically 'wasting' a year with the reorientaiton of departments, new personal etc. It takes about a year for a new president to just gain hold of the power avaialble to him. If there isn't much different between two leaders, it is primarly for this reason - the wasted time of change and reorientation - that people vote for an incumbent. If you don't feel very strongly, or passionately about Kerry, I can't really understand how you would be willing to compromise a year of reorientation to make him presidency. This year of change is very different, from my understand of the 911 commission, I prime reason for the ability of Al Q to strike on Sep 11th was the fact that they were enjoying the ineffectiveness in government to decide its policy on foreign affair matters and counter-terrorism. I fear another year of waste like this might have similar effects. Especially when you consider a new president means a new guy at the Pentagon and a new guy in the defense department (which Rumsfeld, love him or hate him, has done an excellent job in reforming). Though I wouldn't mind Bush letting go of Tenet (a Clinton appointee...) though I don't know, but I have a feeling Kerry would keep him.

That rediculous-
Why "wait" for the re-orientation?

You're basically saying let's wait and
put off this for 5 years and just be happy with the
way things are now and worry about it 5 years from now.
HOPEFULLY things will get better but if not- oh well.


Rip the fucking bandaid off and get it over with.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx That rediculous- Why "wait" for the re-orientation? You're basically saying let's wait and put off this for 5 years and just be happy with the way things are now and worry about it 5 years from now. HOPEFULLY things will get better but if not- oh well. Rip the fucking bandaid off and get it over with.

Yoepus has a point. The change in Presidency/security/defense personel could have had a significant role in 9/11. Say that Al-Q realized this, what's to say they wouldn't strike again when everything gets disoriented? Face it, America's economy cannot deal with another 9/11 so soon. It will simply destroy the economy. Three years later, and the economy still hasn't recovered.

I've stated quite a few times, that I don't like Kerry's platform. Everything just doesn't add up IMHO, and I simply don't think Kerry is fit to be President. Then again, neither is Bush. Damnit Clark!! Why didn't you stay in the race!!

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Yoepus has a point. The change in Presidency/security/defense personel could have had a significant role in 9/11. Say that Al-Q realized this, what's to say they wouldn't strike again when everything gets disoriented? Face it, America's economy cannot deal with another 9/11 so soon. It will simply destroy the economy. Three years later, and the economy still hasn't recovered. I've stated quite a few times, that I don't like Kerry's platform. Everything just doesn't add up IMHO, and I simply don't think Kerry is fit to be President. Then again, neither is Bush. Damnit Clark!! Why didn't you stay in the race!!

Theres always going to be some sorta security problem somewhere.
You fix one hole and 2 more open up somewhere else.
Unless I had some sort of study to prove Al Q "waited" for a presidency change I would have a hard time believing it.

What would be worse another 9/11 or 4 more years of Bush?
At least 9/11 created some jobs.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Theres always going to be some sorta security problem somewhere. You fix one hole and 2 more open up somewhere else. Unless I had some sort of study to prove Al Q "waited" for a presidency change I would have a hard time believing it. What would be worse another 9/11 or 4 more years of Bush? At least 9/11 created some jobs.

Woah woah woah, now you're putting words in my mouth. I never once said that Al Q waited. I'm simply stating that the factor of such a drastic change in the office could have had an effect on the timing on 9/11, since Al Q realized that the U.S. would be in an extreemely vulnerable stage with Bush trying to shuffle out Clinton's advisors and personel and bring in his own.

At least 9/11 created some jobs? Are you crazy? It slowed down economy so drastically that people lost jobs due to lack of citizens traveling/spending money, and increase of security. The only business that thrived from 9/11 would be funeral homes in NYC and other terrorist locations.

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Originally posted by hooknife That�s what GB wants you to think. I and most of the world that hates us does not like are policies, our reasons for going to war, our bully mentality and MOST of all GB. If you want to be GB�s little puppet then what can I say, you are welcome to be deceived.

I am a puppet. Bush is my master. He is the mastermind behind the terrorist attacks. He ordered the planes to fly into the WTC and Pentagon. He is the cause of all evil in the Universe. As long as GB is in charge his tyrannical rule of evil will continue. I must vote for anyone other than Bush. People tell me Kerry is less evil than Bush, so I will vote for Kerry. I will join his puppets. I will be his new puppet.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I am a puppet. Bush is my master. He is the mastermind behind the terrorist attacks. He ordered the planes to fly into the WTC and Pentagon. He is the cause of all evil in the Universe. As long as GB is in charge his tyrannical rule of evil will continue. I must vote for anyone other than Bush. People tell me Kerry is less evil than Bush, so I will vote for Kerry. I will join his puppets. I will be his new puppet.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Woah woah woah, now you're putting words in my mouth. I never once said that Al Q waited. I'm simply stating that the factor of such a drastic change in the office could have had an effect on the timing on 9/11, since Al Q realized that the U.S. would be in an extreemely vulnerable stage with Bush trying to shuffle out Clinton's advisors and personel and bring in his own. At least 9/11 created some jobs? Are you crazy? It slowed down economy so drastically that people lost jobs due to lack of citizens traveling/spending money, and increase of security. The only business that thrived from 9/11 would be funeral homes in NYC and other terrorist locations.

Well- it was a joking comment really- basically 9/11 stimulated more jobs and economy than bush himself has but i understand you point.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono People tell me Kerry is less evil than Bush, so I will vote for Kerry.

Well I'm glad to help.

Doesn't matter. Most American's are just going to continue on their repetitive cycle. See, it goes something like this. Vote a certain President into office. Begin hating him towards the end of his term, and announce clear and loud that you don't want him in office. Start to support the candidate that is as loud as you are without paying attention to any of his platforms. Agree with whatever he says because he starts out all of his sentences with 'The current President is wrong! He lied to you! He didn't complete any of his goals! He conceals things from you!" Once hearing these phrases over and over, you begin to realize, that you suddenly hate this president that you voted into office. Vote for said candidate who is against the President.

Repeat process at end of term by claiming "He lied! He didn't attempt to complete any of his platforms" all the while completely knowing, you had no clue what he stood for the entire time. But he was against the President! So that's all that matters!!

Goes something along with NeoPhono's puppet comment.

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Originally posted by Cal Would you stop apologizing? Im not arguing with you either, because i simply dont care, dont you people understand what im trying to say here? The whole issue is moot at this point anyway

You seemed to give a hershey squirt when you accused me of being "uneducated" and an idiot for claiming that not all unemployed people are looking for work. You call occrider a retard and he then calls you out on it and proceeded to OWN you outright. You gave a damn then.
Now unemployment is "moot" huh?
Your the rookie here son, not me.


later.

Not my fault you're too dumb to know how the umeployment rate is calculated

and occrider went on on some wild tangent on poverty and whether its a good system of measurement, Canada....how the hell do you there? red herrings all over the place

Now you can take your post count and make wild monkey love to it for all I care, but the point is, your credibility in my eyes is completely destroyed because even a high school kid that took inro to economics would never say

5.6% damn staggering number
I guaranty 2.3% aren't even looking for a job!

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Originally posted by Cal and occrider went on on some wild tangent on poverty and whether its a good system of measurement, Canada....how the hell do you there? red herrings all over the place

I was providing clarification that while it is true the unemployment report does not include those not seeking unemployment, it is not necessarily a statistically significant flaw that would skew unemployment results. As such, it is a measure that is an industry standard which is why I referenced Canada .... that was all.

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Originally posted by occrider I was providing clarification that while it is true the unemployment report does not include those not seeking unemployment, it is not necessarily a statistically significant flaw that would skew unemployment results. As such, it is a measure that is an industry standard which is why I referenced Canada .... that was all.

Isnt the 5.6% just the actual people who qualified for unemployment?
This is not including people who were fired and didnt qual for it as well as people who were unemployed for more than 6-12 months and their benefits ran out.

If you had to put an actual % on it wouldnt it be up in the 15-20% range or so? People who could actually work but just are too lazy or just cannot find work.

Ru-roh Shaggy!

Could this be the beginning of the end of Kerry's job platform?

LINKER

Dollar soars on jump in US employment

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...ar_040402154503

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Originally posted by partyhopper http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...ar_040402154503

Nice try!

How about what he promised us?!?!?!

He promised 5.5 MILLION new jobs by the end of 2004 BUT he has ONLY created 600,000.

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Originally posted by hooknife Nice try! How about what he promised us?!?!?! He promised 5.5 MILLION new jobs by the end of 2004 BUT he has ONLY created 600,000.

It's a projection, not a promise
It's not Bush himself making this claim

Let's just hope job growth continues to move in the right direction

Where do you see opportunities for jobs being created (by Bush or anyone else) that aren't being, or haven't been, done ?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...r2433770488.jpg

If Kerry gets elected, it will be interesting to see whether this actually happens

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Originally posted by partyhopper http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...r2433770488.jpg If Kerry gets elected, it will be interesting to see whether this actually happens

Yea- it's a little rediculous to promise that- unless he plans on hiring 10 mil on his own - I dont see it happening.

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Originally posted by partyhopper It's a projection, not a promise

You must be kidding! So what you are saying is when he says he will create 306,000 jobs a month but every month since the tax cuts have gone in to effect we have been in the negative region but that is acceptable because he used the word "projection?" My friend, George Bush said to the American public that we, the American public, should support the tax cut because it will create new jobs BUT the facts are his �projections� and reality are 2 VERY different things. lol....smoke and mirrors as always. The administration projected that a total of 2,754,000 jobs would be created after the tax cuts took effect. In fact, only 689,000 jobs were created over that period for a cumulative shortfall of 2,065,000 jobs.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Yea- it's a little rediculous to promise that- unless he plans on hiring 10 mil on his own - I dont see it happening.

Especially since the main way he invisions creating jobs is by giving "job credits" to manufacturing employers in order to hire more and keep jobs in America. Unfortunatly Bill Clinton had it right. When people overseas will do the same job that an American will do for 1/20th the cost, unless you're willing to give employers a tax break to match (which won't happen), they're going overseas. Clinton tried the same thing before, didn't work...Bush tried it too, didn't work. Clinton started in the right direction by offering education to manufacturing laborers in order to train them for non-relocatable jobs, but I think that fell apart during the Bush administration. Manufacturing jobs are leaving the US, and there's nothing we can do about it. And please don't tell me that new energy jobs or government contracts alone (also his proposals) will yield 10 million jobs.

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Originally posted by smokeape Me neither! Damn you Bush! I want some of that... Lol! [[[smoke]]] Firewall - Sincere (Lange Vocal)

Off the subjest..... WOW!!!! She is HOT!!!!

yea holy moly

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Originally posted by hooknife Off the subjest..... WOW!!!! She is HOT!!!!

Yeah, no kidding! Down boy.. Down!....


[[[smoke]]]

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Isnt the 5.6% just the actual people who qualified for unemployment? This is not including people who were fired and didnt qual for it as well as people who were unemployed for more than 6-12 months and their benefits ran out. If you had to put an actual % on it wouldnt it be up in the 15-20% range or so? People who could actually work but just are too lazy or just cannot find work.

No. Look please read ALL that has been posted. Not only did I comment on this, but I provided the direct link to the statistical methods used to determine the unemployment rate by the labor department. The unemployment report is NOT determined by unemployment insurance.

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