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| Originally posted by hooknife Let me say it again. We win! |
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| Did you see those planes crashing into those buildings on 9/11....They WIN! |
Just like America wins the war on drugs yay!
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer best in what exactly???fucking up the world?? |
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| Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 BS,pure BS. Terrorism doesn't win,and it won't as long as America fights it. America rebuilt the section in the pentagon that was hit, in under a year. We're standing up against terrorism. America wins, Not terrorism. |
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| Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Dude, without us over half the world would be in big big trouble. So you might want to back that statement up. |
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| Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Dude, without us over half the world would be in big big trouble. So you might want to back that statement up. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer you are joking right??the world would be in big big trouble without the US?? The world is in big trouble right now because of your president and his administration actions. |
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| Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 That's not true, we're helping out the world. Saddam has been captured, that's one less terrorist out there. His sons are dead. America went in to help those people in Iraq, and we've done that. Now,they don't have to deal with Saddam. I'm really sick of this attitude " America is messing things up" It's crap,We aren't. |
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| Get your head out of CNN's ass.\, and look at the implications of these actions. WHY IRAQ??? WHY ARE THE IRAQI'S SO IMPORTANT TO THE US ??? |
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| Byu the way.. the same group of people who have captured him, were good buddies with him whenhe gassed the kurds. |
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| Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 I don't watch CNN, I don't like CNN. Why Iraq? Because they were training the Al-Queda people who attacked us. That's why! |
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It was because the UN would not let us take Saddam out, that Saddam was able to gas the Kurds.If he gassed the Kurds,then you are admitting he had chemical biological weapons. |
ahem, I'm still awaiting my history lesson.
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| So why did you listen to the UN then, but this time you didnt. |
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| Doyou know who sold him those chemical weapons? Do a search and learn something. |
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| I cant beleive this is still beleived. This is the saddest thing i heard all month. Do you honestly have any proof of this? Bin Laden and Hussein are very different. Where is this connection????? WHERE IS IT? |
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| You are truly one brainwashed american. I bet you freak out when the US secruity level is on "HIGH ALERT ORANGE" |
You guys should know better than to reason with a Rush Limbaugh fan.
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Why didnt they help rawanda? How bout mauritania? Why wont they invade N. Korea, for doing far worse than saddam has done? ... |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Poor little ignorant American. get the fuck out of the middle east. Plain and simple |
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| Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Probably the Germans and the French. |
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| We have satillite photos of a 727 airline in a training camp,with no run way. |
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| I'm not brainwashed. |
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| Originally posted by FuzzyGreen ahem, I'm still awaiting my history lesson. |
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History of the Christian Crusades -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CRUSADES: Military expeditions undertaken by Western European Christians between 1095 and 1270, usually at the behest of the papacy, to "recover" Jerusalem and other Palestinian places of pilgrimage from Muslim control. The name "crusade" (from Lat., "cross," the emblem of the Crusaders) was also applied, especially in the 13th century, to wars against Pagan peoples, Christian heretics, and political foes of the papacy. BACKGROUND. The origin of the Crusades is rooted in the political upheaval that resulted from the expansion of the Seljuk Turks in the Middle East in the mid-11th century. Western Christians viewed the conquest of Syria and Palestine by these aggressive Muslims with fright and alarm. Turkish invaders also penetrated deep into the Christian Byzantine Empire and subjected many Greek, Syrian, and Armenian Christians to their rule. The Crusades were in part a reaction to these events, as well as serving the ambitions of 11th-, 12th-, and 13th-century popes who sought to extend their political and religious power. Crusading armies were, in a sense, the military arm of papal policy. Beyond all this, the Crusades coincided with a time of dramatic growth of European population and commercial activity. The Crusades provided an area of expansion to accommodate part of this growing population. They also offered an outlet for the ambitions of land-hungry knights and noblemen. At the same time, the expeditions offered rich commercial opportunities to the merchants of the growing cities of the West, particularly Genoa, Pisa, and Venice. Crusading thus had a broad appeal to numerous Europeans. Some went on Crusades out of greed, some out of religious fervor; almost all Crusaders sought adventure, and many of them believed that their participation would virtually guarantee personal salvation. Every Crusader probably had different reasons for participation. THE FIRST CRUSADE. The Crusades began formally on Tuesday, Nov. 27, 1095, in a field just outside the walls of the French city of Clermont-Ferrand. On that day Pope Urban II preached a sermon to crowds of laypersons and clergy attending a church council at Clermont. In his sermon, the pope outlined a plan for a Crusade and called on his listeners to join its ranks. The response was positive and overwhelming. Pope Urban then commissioned the bishops at the council to return to their homes and to enlist others in the Crusade. He also outlined a basic strategy: Individual groups of Crusaders would begin the journey in August 1096. Each group would be self-financing and responsible to its own leader. The groups would make their separate ways to the Byzantine capital, Constantinople, where they would rendezvous. From there, in concert with the Byzantine emperor and his army, they would launch a counterattack against the Seljuk conquerors of Anatolia. Once that region was under Christian control, the Crusaders would campaign against the Muslims in Syria and Palestine, with Jerusalem as their ultimate goal. The Crusading armies. In broad outline the First Crusade conformed to the scheme envisioned by the pope. Recruitment went forward vigorously during the remainder of 1095 and the early months of 1096. Five major armies of noblemen ultimately assembled in late summer, 1096, to set out on the Crusade. The majority were from France, but significant numbers also came from Lorraine, Burgundy, Flanders, and southern Italy. The pope had not foreseen the popular enthusiasm that his Crusade aroused among nonnoble townspeople and peasantry. Alongside the Crusade of the nobility a popular one materialized among the common people. The largest and most important group of popular Crusaders was recruited and led by a Picard preacher known as Peter the Hermit. Although the participants in the popular Crusade were numerous, only a tiny fraction of them ever succeeded in reaching the Middle East; even fewer survived to see the ultimate triumph of the Crusade at Jerusalem. The conquest of Anatolia. As the armies of Crusading nobles arrived at Constantinople, beginning in November 1096 and continuing through May 1097, the Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus pressured the leaders to swear that they would cooperate with the Byzantines and would turn over to him any former Byzantine territory that they captured. The leaders resented these demands, and although most of them ultimately complied, they were henceforth suspicious of the Byzantines. In May 1097, the Crusaders attacked their first major target, the Anatolian Turkish capital at Nicaea (modern .Iznik, Turkey). In June the city surrendered-to the Byzantines, rather than the Crusaders. This confirmed the latter's suspicions that Alexius intended to use them as pawns in order to achieve his own goals. Shortly after the fall of Nicaea, the Crusaders encountered the principal Seljuk field army of Anatolia at Dorylaeum (EskiSehir). On July 1, 1097, the Crusaders scored a smashing victory there and nearly annihilated the Turkish force. As a result the Crusaders met little resistance during the balance of their campaign in Asia Minor. The next major obstacle was the city of Antioch in northern Syria (present Antakya, Turkey). The Crusaders besieged the city on Oct. 21, 1097, but it did not fall until June 3, 1098. No sooner had the Crusaders taken Antioch than they were attacked by a fresh Turkish army from Mosul, which arrived just too late to relieve Antioch's Turkish defenders. The Crusaders beat off the relief force on June 28. THE CAPTURE OF JERUSALEM. Resting at Antioch for the remainder of the summer and early fall, the Crusaders set out on the final leg of their journey in late November 1098. Now they avoided attacks on cities and fortified positions in order to conserve their forces. In May 1099 the Crusaders reached the northern borders of Palestine; on the evening of June 7 they camped within sight of Jerusalem's walls. The city was at this point under Egyptian control; its defenders were numerous and well prepared for a siege. The Crusaders attacked briskly. With the aid of reinforcements from Genoa and newly constructed siege machines, they took Jerusalem by storm on July 15; they then massacred virtually every inhabitant. In the Crusaders' view, they purified the city by washing it in the blood of the defeated infidels. A week later the army elected one of its leaders, Godfrey of Bouillon, duke of Lower Lorraine, to rule the newly won city. Under his leadership the army then fought its last campaign, defeating an Egyptian army at Ascalon (now Ashqelon, Israel) on August 12. Soon afterward the great majority of the Crusaders returned to Europe, leaving Godfrey and a small remnant of the origi-nal force to organize a government and to establish Latin (Western European) control over the conquered territories. THE HIGH TIDE OF LATIN POWER IN THE EAST. In the after-math of the First Crusade, Latin colonists in the Levant established four states. The largest and most powerful of these was the kingdom of Jerusalem. To the north of that kingdom lay the tiny county of Tripoli on the Syrian coast. Beyond Tripoli was the principality of Antioch, centered in the Orontes Valley. Farthest east was the county of Edessa, largely populated by Armenian Christians. The victories of the First Crusade were in large part due to the Crusaders' not confronting a united Muslim world but instead dealing with a number of isolated and relatively weak Muslim powers. The generation after the First Crusade, however, saw the beginning of Muslim reunification in the Middle East under the leadership of Imad ad-Din Zangi (1084-1146), ruler of Mosul and Aleppo. Under Zangi, the Muslim forces scored their first major victory against the Crusaders by taking the city of Edessa (present Urfa, Turkey) in 1144; they then systematically dismantled the Crusader state in that region. The papacy's response to these events was to proclaim the Second Crusade late in 1145. The new expedition attracted numerous recruits, among them the king of France, Louis VII, and the Holy Roman emperor, Conrad III. Conrad's German army set out for Jerusalem from Nuremberg in May 1147; the French forces followed about a month later. In Anatolia the Germans fell into an ambush, from which only a few escaped. The French army was more fortunate, but they also suffered serious casualties during the journey, and only part of the original force reached Jerusalem in 1148. In consultation with King Baldwin III of Jerusalem and his nobles, the Crusaders decided to attack Damascus in July. The expedition failed to take the city, however, and shortly after the collapse of this attack the French king and the remains of his army returned home. SALADIN AND THE THIRD CRUSADE. The failure of the Second Crusade left the Muslim powers free to regroup. Zangi had died in 1146, but his successor, Nur ad-Din (1118-74), was able to expand his realm into a major power in the Middle East. In 1169 his forces, under the command of Saladin, took control of Egypt. When Nur ad-Din died five years later, Saladin succeeded him as ruler of a Muslim state that stretched from the Libyan Desert to the Tigris Valley and surrounded the remaining Crusader states on three fronts. After a series of crises during the 1180s, Saladin finally invaded the kingdom of Jerusalem in force in May 1187. On July 4 he decisively defeated the Latin army at Hattin (Hittin). In the after-math of this victory, Saladin swept through most of the Crusader strongholds in the kingdom of Jerusalem. Jerusalem itself surrendered to him on October 2. At this point the only major city still in Crusader hands was Tyre in Lebanon. On Oct. 29, 1187, Pope Gregory VIII (d. 1187) proclaimed the Third Crusade. Western enthusiasm for the plan was widespread, and three major European monarchs enlisted in its ranks: the Holy Roman emperor, Frederick I Barbarossa, the French king, Philip II Augustus, and the English king, Richard I Lion-Heart. The kings and their numerous followers constituted the largest Crusading force that had taken the field since 1095, but the outcome of all this effort was meager. Barbarossa died in Anatolia while on his way to the Holy Land, and most of his army returned to Germany immediately following his death. Although both Philip Augustus and Richard Lion-Heart reached Palestine with their armies intact, they were unable to recapture Jerusalem or much of the former territory of the Latin Kingdom. They did succeed, however, in wresting from Saladin control of a chain of cities along the Mediterranean coast. By October 1192, when Richard finally left Palestine, the Latin Kingdom had been reconstituted. Smaller than the original kingdom and considerably weaker militarily and economically, the second kingdom eked out a precarious existence for another century. THE LATER CRUSADES. No subsequent Crusade achieved anything like the military success of the Third Crusade. The fourth one (1202-04) was plagued by financial difficulties. In an effort to alleviate these, the leaders agreed to a plan to attack Constantinople in concert with the Venetians and a pretender to the Byzantine throne. The Crusaders succeeded in taking Constantinople, which they then plundered shamelessly. The Latin Empire of Constantinople, created by this Crusade, survived for less than 60 years and contributed nothing to the defense of the Holy Land. In 1208, Pope Innocent III proclaimed a Crusade against the Albigenses, a religious sect in southern France. The ensuing Crusade (1209-29) was the first to be fought in Western Europe. The Fifth Crusade (1217-21) had a promising beginning with the taking of the Egyptian seaport of Damietta in 1219. The strategy, sensible as far as it went, called for an attack on Egypt, the capture of Cairo, and then a campaign to secure control of the Sinai, seen as a link between Egypt and the Latin Kingdom that would cut off the remaining Muslim powers from the wealth and grain supplies of Egypt. Implementation of this strategy, however, fell short of the goal. The attack on Cairo was abortive, and promised reinforcements failed to materialize. In August 1221 the Crusaders were forced to surrender Damietta to the Egyptians, and the expedition broke up. Frederick II. The Crusade of Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II differed in approach from all the others. Frederick vowed to lead a Crusade in 1215 and renewed his pledge in 1220, but for domestic political reasons kept postponing his departure. Under pressure from Pope Gregory IX, Frederick and his army finally sailed from Italy in August 1227, but returned to port within a few days because Frederick had fallen ill. The pope, outraged at this further delay, promptly excommunicated the emperor. Undaunted, Frederick embarked for the Holy Land in June 1228. There he conducted his unconventional Crusade almost entirely by diplomatic negotiations with the Egyptian sultan Al-Kamil (r. 1218-38). These negotiations produced a peace treaty by which the Egyptians restored Jerusalem to the Crusaders and guaranteed a 10-year respite from hostilities. Despite this achievement, Frederick was shunned as an excommunicate by both the clergy and the lay leaders of the Latin states. At the same time, the pope had proclaimed a Crusade against Frederick, raised an army, and proceeded to attack the emperor's Italian possessions. Frederick returned to the West to cope with this threat in May 1229. Louis IX. Nearly 20 years elapsed between Frederick's Crusade and the next large expedition to the Middle East, which was organized and financed by King Louis IX of France after the Muslims recaptured Jerusalem in 1244. Louis spent four years making careful plans and preparations for his ambitious expedition. At the end of August 1248, Louis and his army sailed to Cyprus, where they spent the winter in further preparations. Following the same basic strategy as the Fifth Crusade, Louis and his followers landed in Egypt on June 5, 1249, and the following day captured Damietta. The next phase of their campaign, an attack on Cairo in the spring of 1250, proved to be a catastrophe. The Crusaders failed to guard their flanks, and as a result the Egyptians retained control of the water reservoirs along the Nile. By opening the sluice gates, they created floods that trapped the whole Crusading army, and Louis was forced to surrender in April 1250. After paying an enormous ransom and surrendering Damietta, Louis sailed to Palestine, where he spent four years building fortifications and strengthening the defenses of the Latin Kingdom. In the spring of 1254 he and his army returned to France. King Louis also organized the last major Crusade, in 1270. This time the response of the French nobility was unenthusiastic, and the expedition was directed against Tunis rather than Egypt. It ended abruptly when Louis died in Tunisia during the summer of 1270. Meanwhile, the remaining Latin outposts in Syria and Palestine were coming under increasing pressure from Egyptian forces. One by one, the cities and castles of the Crusader states fell to armies of the new and vigorous Mameluke dynasty. The last major stronghold, Acre (now Akko, Israel), was taken on May 18, 1291, and the Crusading settlers took refuge first on Cyprus and later on Rhodes, both of which were held until the 16th century. Other Latin states established in Greece as a result of the Fourth Crusade survived until the mid-15th century. RESULTS OF THE CRUSADES. The expulsion of the Latins from the Holy Land did not end Crusading efforts, but the response of European kings and nobles to repeated calls for further Crusades was feeble, and later expeditions accomplished little. Two centuries of Crusades left little mark on Syria and Palestine, save for the castles, churches, and fortifications that the Crusaders left behind. The principal effects of the Crusades were felt in Europe, not in the Middle East. The Crusades had bolstered the commerce of the Italian cities, had generated interest in exploration of the Orient, and had established trade markets of enduring importance. The experiments of the papacy and European monarchs in raising money to finance the Crusades led to the development of systems of direct general taxation that had long-term consequences for the fiscal structure of European governments. Although the Latin states in the East were short-lived, the experience of the Crusaders established mechanisms that later generations of Europeans used and improved on when they colonized the territories discovered by the explorers of the 15th and 16th centuries. |
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| Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Because we learned our lesson the first time! |
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Probably the Germans and the French. |
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We have satillite photos of a 727 airline in a training camp,with no run way. |
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I'm not brainwashed. You wouldn't know truth if it bit you in the butt |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHHAH Keep thinking this...that is why the world hates you! Those bombers are slaughtering the most "powerful" army in the world everyday. You will NEVER beat terrorism.... NEVER. Enjoy the next years watching your soldiers being blown to bits! AHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
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| Originally posted by hooknife How does it feel? We OWN you and there is nothing your little bitch ass country can do about it. Let me put it another way.... You areOWNED by the USA! |
Fantastic, another idiotic thread started and promoted by a bunch of arrogant American neo-cons, which invariably turns into a far left - far right flame war. Where on earth are the mods?
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| Originally posted by arctic Fantastic, another idiotic thread started and promoted by a bunch of arrogant American neo-cons, which invariably turns into a far left - far right flame war. Where on earth are the mods? |
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| Originally posted by xKaoSx Actually this is a little more personal as Cyrus decided to send me a bunch of PM's and pictures he deemed might change my mind on things. They were pretty much inappropriate. I was just wondering about his backround a bit more. |
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| Originally posted by arctic Fantastic, another idiotic thread started and promoted by a bunch of arrogant American neo-cons, which invariably turns into a far left - far right flame war. Where on earth are the mods? |
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| Originally posted by arctic Not having seen the PMs in question I won't comment on that, but this is becoming a relatively frequent occurrence of late, and it's getting annoying. We get the typical "GOD and/or LORD JESUS BLESS AMERICA!" type first post, then a few more neo-cons wander in with "hahaahah we PWNZ yurrrrr shitty country LOLZKTHX". Then, to top it all off, a few of the ultra-leftists drop in, and it becomes a far left vs. far right/US neo-con flame war. Oh yeah, and then Nellie saunters in and decides to enlighten us all by informing us that Iraq apparently trained the September 11 bombers, and that the US invaded Iraq with the explicit intention of helping the general populace. Fun and games all around! |
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