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Going out with a paisita (from medellin)right now.

1st PICS OR STFU!

2nd You lucky guy

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI A sad day in the USA.

Indeed.


I don't even watch the VS fashion show, but it's the principles involved here.

i think the american government is full of hypocrite prudes. they don't know what's going on in their own country, but they like to tell other countries how to live. well i sure as hell wouldn't want to live that way. as a country that exist only for 200 years you can't tell other civilisations that's 10 times older how to live.

what's so bad about a naked body on tv? it's pure nature, nothing wrong with it. back in the greek days nudity was an artform.

believing in creation is simply retarded, theres so much proof of evolution nowadays you can�t just ignore facts. how can people be so close minded, and what on earth is immoral about a lingery show? open your eyes already!

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Originally posted by Electronicmaji whats so bad about creationism in schools? there is evidence to support it...evolution is just another theory...the school system tramples on parents rights right now to teach there children what they want them to be teached if a persons parents want them to be teached creationism or any principles of any time they have to pay for a private school and I think that is ridiculous the goverment should provide schools for people of all beliefs not just those who beleive in evolution...

Bullshit there is - there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support creationism or ID - both are bunk. talkorigins.org is a good site if you're interested in evolution. Again. there is absolutely no evidence to support creationism � in fact, it has been thourghly disproved. Hopefully MisterOpus1 is around � he's the guy to talk to about the Evolution/Creationism controversy.

Evolution is science, creationism is not. Creationism should not be taught in science class. The only place creationism should have is either in a comparative religion & philosophy class, or used in science as an exampole of a falsified theory that's been disproven and debunked time and time again.

Not believing in evolution is like maintaining that the earth psi flat, or that the sun orbits the earth - it's that simple. If you'd like take this further: open a thread in the political forum, there are numerous people there who will gladly take you on with regards to this.

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Originally posted by Heinz well, you know, the US democracy was written and based on christian values and laws. the USA was founded on teh principles of christianity. back in the 1800's ext., if a public school did not teach about jesus in the curriculim, they didnt get gov't funding. coins all say "in god we trust". if u read the constitution, there are numerous referencest to god and the bible.

That's a blatant lie and you know it. You sprouted this rubbish in the political forum and watched your arguments dismantled by DrUg_TiTo, MisterOpus, Myself, Diginut etc. - so why are still using them?

Read the constitution - specifically the first amendment and the establishment clause. There is separation of church and state - meaning that the state cannot, and does not endorse, impose or support any particular religion or religious belief. There are no references to the Christian god or the bible in the constitution. Either you're astonishingly ignorant - or you're lying. Quite frankly, I'm going with the latter. The 'in god we trust' is technically in violation of the establishment clause, and if history is anything to go by, will eventually get legally challenged.

Seriously - just stop lying, it doesn't do anything to further your case.

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Originally posted by Heinz if your not christian, u can always join the democratic party. the liberal side of the gov't. they support gay marraige somewhat, immigrants, abortion, and other things liberal.

Thanks for the lecture - but I already know what the democratic party is and what it stands for. I'm not an American, and hence wont be joining the, - but yes, I do support them over the republicans.

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the founding fathers made the "freedom of religion" part of the 1st amendment, b/c they wanted a gov't that wasnt strict and persecute its people. which is why so many immigrants came for religious freedom. they wanted to make a country that was free from any monarch or dictator, and "given the pursuit of happiness".

What? That's utterly nonsensical. They made freedom of religion and separation of church and state because they wanted separation of church and state. They had been persecuted in Europe for their religious beliefs - and as such understood that theocracies weren't the best idea. Do you even know what freedom of religion means?

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it wasnt because they saw "separation of church and state". they based the constitution on the morals of christianity..

FFS - are you completely blind?

How was it explicitly based off the morals of Christianity? Go on - provide some evidence. Cite sources and provide examples please.

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Originally posted by Vigilante I don't know about schools in Columbia, but in Australia we are tought evolution, creationism and other theories from a young age in all public schools (schools run by the government).

Eh? Since when is creationism taught in Australian schools? Heck - even the religious schools teach evolution.

There - rant over.

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Originally posted by Electronicmaji ok since Im not experienced with apologetics ill bring in some of my fellow scholars...im a poly sci person sorry ill be back with some friends on the double...

r there a lot of scholars in the amazon?

blame janet jackson

blame michael jackson

blame bush

blame clinton

blame heinz


blame america


uk might be fucked up but it reeeeally makes me laugh to see how far we have to go to end up being as bad as the states

sorry there is evidence for creationism but considering the close mindedness of your last post I really dont think posting the evidence will change your mind so I leave you and your ignorance alone in this thread

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Originally posted by Electronicmaji sorry there is evidence for creationism but considering the close mindedness of your last post I really dont think posting the evidence will change your mind so I leave you and your ignorance alone in this thread

In other words - you actually have no idea what you're talking about. Do you even know what evolution is, or are you one of those quote miners who excels in distorting and misrepresenting it to support your unorthodox assertions.

The only reason you aren't presenting any evidence is because it doesn't exist. Why do you think that 99% of scientists believe in evolution? Here's a hint - because there's actually some damn good evidence to support it. Nothing in biology makes sense without it. Furthermore - why is it that creationists are considered complete nut jobs in every other western nation, excluding the US? nobody gives them time of day, and rightly so.

Do you believe the earth is flat? Does the sun orbit around the earth? At one stage the church held those to be true due to their particular biblical interpretations. The same thing is happening now with evolution - the RCC has been forced to admit that evolution is indeed true, and the pope has thrown his support behind it. And I've never been called ignorant by a creationist before - thanks for the laugh.

If you're willing to have a serious discussion on the merits of evolution and creationism, then go ahead: make your case. I'll PM occrider & MisterOpus1 - who actually works in the area, and from memory has two degrees in the field. Start a thread in the political forum - let's do this thing.

I apologise if i'm coming off as harsh, but I really, really hate ignorance and stupidity.

Wow, another thread turned into American bashing. How original.

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Originally posted by Omegasox Wow, another thread turned into American bashing. How original.

Eh? It's creationist bashing, not American bashing.

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Originally posted by Orbax its hard for me to be angry at U.S. bashing when i walk out of my 1.4 million dollar home and ride my sportbike to school. then go to my brothers 400,000 dollar house that he bought when he was 20 and park next to his 350hp WRX that he bought after wrecking his corvette. God Bless America

yeah, iam sure everybody in america lives in a 1.4 million dollar house and ride a motorbike, and i am sure u worked reaaaally hard for it..i didnt know best buy pays u enuf to get a 1.4 mil house

In Soviet Russia houses buy you!

Youre stupid, and thats funny. Its one of my family homes

I just work at best buy for the discounts and beer money.

And what does hard work have to do with anything? lol.

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Ill explain why you are stupid so it isnt random. It is because you took the fact that I stated I have a nice house and extrapolated that to somehow me implying that everyone in America does.

Which doesnt really make sense given logic.

Now, if you instead took that to the level of someone who is smart and capable being able to do almost anything in America and not being limited by class, age, or creed; I would agree with you. Somehow someone else doing well put a burr up your ass though and you got touchy.

Ill say it blatantly to help desensitize you "THERE ARE PEOPLE RICHER THAN YOU" and me. There is one reallly rich dude out there and everyone is poorer than him. So dont be bitter.

I love being in a place where intelligence and diligence can take you so far. And...too bad if you dont like it

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The ensuing years saw an explosion of porn, so much so that critics say that Americans' tolerance for sexually explicit material rivals that of Europeans.

And this is a bad thing how? Anyone else see this statement as a slap in the face towards Europeans?

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Originally posted by Noctone And this is a bad thing how? Anyone else see this statement as a slap in the face towards Europeans?

Well - I personally see it as a distraction from the noble sport of young earth creationist bashing.

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Originally posted by arctic Well - I personally see it as a distraction from the noble sport of young earth creationist bashing.

Right, umm, to all creationists: damn you!...and um, such.

um sorry the figure is more like 75 percent of scientists...and only because someone doesnt beleive in something doesnt mean its correct I mean looking at that FHM hottest woman poll thingy 99 percent of americans think britney is number #1 hottest girl...

if you lookhereyou will find a list of just a small percent of scientists who beleive in creation...

now if you look here there is a consise article on creationism and basically why some beleive in creation and others in evolution.......

note: the majority of scientists who beleive in evolution where either born during the hippie revolution or young scientists who just gradauted....these scientists do not have not lived as long as the scientists who beleive in creationism...and we all know age=wisdom...

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Originally posted by Electronicmaji um sorry the figure is more like 75 percent of scientists...and only because someone doesnt beleive in something doesnt mean its correct I mean looking at that FHM hottest woman poll thingy 99 percent of americans think britney is number #1 hottest girl... if you lookhereyou will find a list of just a small percent of scientists who beleive in creation... now if you look here there is a consise article on creationism and basically why some beleive in creation and others in evolution....... note: the majority of scientists who beleive in evolution where either born during the hippie revolution or young scientists who just gradauted....these scientists do not have not lived as long as the scientists who beleive in creationism...and we all know age=wisdom...

WTF are you rambling on about.....

Firstly - open up a thread in the political forum, going over this here isn't going to help anyone. It's off topic, and most political forum regulars will miss it. Regardless - I can't allow rubbish like this to stand unchallenged, so I'll go over it anyhow. Gah.

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Originally posted by Electronicmaji um sorry the figure is more like 75 percent of scientists...

What? Source?

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and only because someone doesnt beleive in something doesnt mean its correct I mean looking at that FHM hottest woman poll thingy 99 percent of americans think britney is number #1 hottest girl...

Granted - which is good, because there's multitudes of evidence to back evolution up.

www.talkorigins.org should help explain what evolution is if you're interested.

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if you lookhereyou will find a list of just a small percent of scientists who beleive in creation...

Christ, not AiG again.

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/..._in_genesis.htm

Creationism isn't falsifiable. Creationism isn't testable. Creationism doesn't even have a hypothesis. Thus, creationism isn't science. Again, most creationists have got their degrees from so called 'degree mill' institutions. Most of them actually aren't scientists at all. The small amount that are have never actually published one paper in a peer-reviewed scientific publication. Once again, 99% of biologists are evolutionists - it simply isn't possible to do any real research if you're a young earth creationists - nothing makes sense.

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now if you look here there is a consise article on creationism and basically why some beleive in creation and others in evolution.......

That article not only grossly misrepresents evolution - but it's also trying to back away from the whole 'facts issue'. It's typical creationist rhetoric - "Now, these facts, this evidence, it really doesn't exist - what actually happens, is we interpret these fact differently". Sorry, but that's BS - plain and simple. The facts point to an old earth, there's no getting around that. When creationists come up with a scientific theory, get back to me.

If you want someone professionally qualified in the area to debunk that - Pm MisterOpus1.

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note: the majority of scientists who beleive in evolution where either born during the hippie revolution or young scientists who just gradauted....these scientists do not have not lived as long as the scientists who beleive in creationism...and we all know age=wisdom...

At best that's ill-informed, and at worst it's a blatant and unashamed lie. There are very few scientists who are also creationists - and actually have any relevant qualifications in the field. creationism isn't science - it's an obscure religious belief that isn't backed up by the facts.

Back that up with sources please. Again, have you ever seen one creationist publish something in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Are there any who occupy positions at universities? (just to clarify, Christian degree mills that just hand our degrees without actually requiring you to learn anything don't count)

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Originally posted by Electronicmaji um sorry the figure is more like 75 percent of scientists...and only because someone doesnt beleive in something doesnt mean its correct I mean looking at that FHM hottest woman poll thingy 99 percent of americans think britney is number #1 hottest girl...

Source please? Keep in mind we're talking about scientists who graduated from real universities and whose field of interest is biology. Even if you'd narrow yourself down to the scientists in the US only, you'd never get 75%, let alone other countries where evolution is established theory and creationism is considered nonsense.

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if you lookhereyou will find a list of just a small percent of scientists who beleive in creation...

First of all half of those scientists have nothing to do with biological research. There are dentists, mathematicians, physicists, etc., not to mention some more esoteric fields like "Creationist Plant Physiologist".

Regardless of that, your lists consists of a 100 or so names. Considering there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of scientists worldwide, your list makes up about 0.01% of the whole scientific community.

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now if you look here there is a consise article on creationism and basically why some beleive in creation and others in evolution.......

The article assumes that both creationists and evolutionists argue from the dogmatic perspective, which is not the case. It makes a lame attempt to justify bible as evidence, but it basically just portrays that people who are arguing creationism can't distinguish between factual evidence and dogmatic beliefs.

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note: the majority of scientists who beleive in evolution where either born during the hippie revolution or young scientists who just gradauted....these scientists do not have not lived as long as the scientists who beleive in creationism...and we all know age=wisdom...

First of all, how old are you? I truly doubt you're much past your teens, so maybe you should just sit back and let the grown ups talk. Secondly, the peak of intelligence and reasoning is somewhere between 25 and 45 years of age. Older people are wiser up to the point where their brains start deteriorating. After that their wisdom becomes highly questionable.

Now, back to the point. What you said doesn't mean absolutely anything, because the majority of older scientists believe in evolution as well. You are implying an utterly fallacious idea, that scientists accept creationism as they mature, which is simply not true. Evolution has been a widely accepted theory for about a 100 years now and hippie revolution had nothing to do with it, especially since hippies didn't really care much about science. As a matter of fact, they were quite intent on limiting and bringing down some scientific achievments (nuclear power, for example).

Good for you and bad for me.

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI I have the last 2 years shows taped

I had the 2002 show, but my tape got jammed in the VCR.

I had to throw both the VCR and the tape away.

Fuckin A

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Originally posted by arctic Bullshit there is - there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support creationism or ID - both are bunk. talkorigins.org is a good site if you're interested in evolution. Again. there is absolutely no evidence to support creationism � in fact, it has been thourghly disproved. Hopefully MisterOpus1 is around � he's the guy to talk to about the Evolution/Creationism controversy. Evolution is science, creationism is not. Creationism should not be taught in science class. The only place creationism should have is either in a comparative religion & philosophy class, or used in science as an exampole of a falsified theory that's been disproven and debunked time and time again. Not believing in evolution is like maintaining that the earth psi flat, or that the sun orbits the earth - it's that simple. If you'd like take this further: open a thread in the political forum, there are numerous people there who will gladly take you on with regards to this. That's a blatant lie and you know it. You sprouted this rubbish in the political forum and watched your arguments dismantled by DrUg_TiTo, MisterOpus, Myself, Diginut etc. - so why are still using them? Read the constitution - specifically the first amendment and the establishment clause. There is separation of church and state - meaning that the state cannot, and does not endorse, impose or support any particular religion or religious belief. There are no references to the Christian god or the bible in the constitution. Either you're astonishingly ignorant - or you're lying. Quite frankly, I'm going with the latter. The 'in god we trust' is technically in violation of the establishment clause, and if history is anything to go by, will eventually get legally challenged. Seriously - just stop lying, it doesn't do anything to further your case. Thanks for the lecture - but I already know what the democratic party is and what it stands for. I'm not an American, and hence wont be joining the, - but yes, I do support them over the republicans. What? That's utterly nonsensical. They made freedom of religion and separation of church and state because they wanted separation of church and state. They had been persecuted in Europe for their religious beliefs - and as such understood that theocracies weren't the best idea. Do you even know what freedom of religion means? FFS - are you completely blind? How was it explicitly based off the morals of Christianity? Go on - provide some evidence. Cite sources and provide examples please. Eh? Since when is creationism taught in Australian schools? Heck - even the religious schools teach evolution. There - rant over.

i guess im somewhat defeated. my comments sources were from church really. years ago, but i still remember a sermon on the founding fathers 4th of july.

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