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Hip hop:
Mc hammer - U Can't Touch This
xzibit - papparazzi

You might find the following two threads helpful for progressive trance (I put a good-sized list of tracks in both, with a few errors, in retrospect):

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=137340
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...?threadid=75672

As for "favorites" of the genre, I would propose the following as essentials:

Space Manoeuvres - Stage One
Bedrock - Heaven Scent
Sasha - Xpander (which you already have)
Tilt - I Dream (Tilt's Ressurection Mix)
Libra pres. Taylor - Calling Your Name (ORIGINAL Mix)
Andy Ling - Fixation (I'm assuming you wouldn't want overlap with Ishkur, but Fixation really is a class example of progressive trance)

And to a lesser degree:

Cass & Slide - Perception
Origin - Wide Eyed Angel
Sander Kleinenberg - My Lexicon

I could go on and on, but I'm trying to be as concise as possible. Tilt, John Graham, Bedrock, Breeder and Evolution were all the real heart of the genre until they all went dark when epic trance blew up (Except for Evolution, which still hangs on to a progressive trance sound).

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Originally posted by basd Some other techno genres you should consider are acid techno and hard techno (the utter crap Rush, Remus, Stephan & Vincent de Wit,... are spitting out, and which sounds like a chainsaw attack to a metal plant to me).. Can't really give you any recommendations on those subgenres though..

that stuff may seem crap to you, but interesting to me, especially Marco Remus - his sets are amazing

btw - have a look at my sig, do u recognize this guy?

Also, I don't know if this warrants another genre, but there was a distinct class of music in the late nineties that belonged to Christopher Lawrence, Deepsky, X-Cabs, and Chris Cowie. The Hook label was the epicenter of the sound, with Fragrant close behind. There used to be a good concentration of it on the Psychotrance compilations. It was close to progressive trance, but too hard and acidy to be classified in the same category as the tracks I put in my last post.

Some key tracks are:

Deepsky - Stargazer (Original/X-Cabs Remix)
Deniro - Mind of Man
Christopher Lawrence - Renegade
Taylor - Slide
Joshua Ryan - Pistolwhip

Just something to look into if you're intent on being as detailed as possible. The sound was centered on the desert rave culture of the American southwest, mainly out of Southern California, before all the artists got caught in the progressive house movement (except for Lawrence, who generally stayed the course except got a bit harder).

Your hard trance choices are a bit shit to be honest. I'd recommend Scot Project- Overdrive and Altitude- Altitude (SHOKK Remix) rather than Yves Deruyter.

What about Cybertrance? I've heard everything Mars plays is cybertrance... example Mars - Garden of Eden... check out http://www.frequency-8.comhttp://www.frequency-8.com for samples of this genre.

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Originally posted by Lira Power Electronics: Imminent Starvation - Relocation i (to be updated)

no, maaz. you are confusing pe with rhythmic noise.

you can find a brief history of rhythmic noise (aka powernoise) in this article.

and here is a comprehensive faq manual about noise (anti)music as a whole.

for old school rave you have to put da hool-meet her at the love parade!!!! I think its oldschool rave might not be....

Thanks for the hints, keddo And don't worry, I've got all these sub-genres in mind

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Your hard trance choices are a bit shit to be honest. I'd recommend Scot Project- Overdrive and Altitude- Altitude (SHOKK Remix) rather than Yves Deruyter.

Aren't these melodic? I'm placing them as hardstyle, which is what came from melodic trance and hard trance.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 progressive breaks: momu - the dive petter - these days progressive trance: vincent de moor - yellow subway azior - sunset at myvatn (subsphere remix) dj tiesto & junkie xl - obsession bart van wissen - distant region subsky - four days i always thought of a 'deep trance' genre separate of 'progressive trance', though most people would say that it doesn't exist - it's probably just old progressive trance. pretty much all the tracks sasha & digweed used to play back then fit in there, stuff like sasha - xpander albion - air virtua trancer - sex after dinner gypsy - i trance you (pappa & gilbey remix) cygnus x - positron *edit* remember that 'progressive trance' is a very broad term used to described very different stuff! by one side, it's so fused with progressive house that one can't tell which is which - example: pig & dan - jelly. by another, it's fused with uplifting: airwave - ladyblue (original). and there's even progressive-psy, which has a very large scene, can't think of a good example right now

Yes, it's quite complicated to know what is what in this progressive mayhem indeed, specially now that progressive acquired a very popular status. I haven't heard these tunes yet, but I'm gonna check 'em out.

By the way, don't expect all tunes to fit exactly into one genre, as there's usually some influence among genres (thankfully).

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Originally posted by alffla ah nice compilation so far..lookin good! hm..i always thought cygnus x - positron was more like..harder trance or something...cuz it had sucha strong beat o_O. maybe i'm wrong then. :|

I see... well, I'm first going to listen to the tunes posted in this thread, then I get back on this

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Originally posted by keddo Hip hop: Mc hammer - U Can't Touch This xzibit - papparazzi

Cheers Well, my problem with hip hop is that I don't know the genres: I know there's the "West Coast Hip-hop", the "East Coast Hip-hop", "g-funk" and so many genres... unfortunately neither allmusic guide nor Audiogalaxy's descriptions (R.I.P.) seem to be reliable.

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Originally posted by Cobalt You might find the following two threads helpful for progressive trance (I put a good-sized list of tracks in both, with a few errors, in retrospect): http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=137340 http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...?threadid=75672 As for "favorites" of the genre, I would propose the following as essentials: Space Manoeuvres - Stage One Bedrock - Heaven Scent Sasha - Xpander (which you already have) Tilt - I Dream (Tilt's Ressurection Mix) Libra pres. Taylor - Calling Your Name (ORIGINAL Mix) Andy Ling - Fixation (I'm assuming you wouldn't want overlap with Ishkur, but Fixation really is a class example of progressive trance) And to a lesser degree: Cass & Slide - Perception Origin - Wide Eyed Angel Sander Kleinenberg - My Lexicon I could go on and on, but I'm trying to be as concise as possible. Tilt, John Graham, Bedrock, Breeder and Evolution were all the real heart of the genre until they all went dark when epic trance blew up (Except for Evolution, which still hangs on to a progressive trance sound).

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Originally posted by Cobalt Also, I don't know if this warrants another genre, but there was a distinct class of music in the late nineties that belonged to Christopher Lawrence, Deepsky, X-Cabs, and Chris Cowie. The Hook label was the epicenter of the sound, with Fragrant close behind. There used to be a good concentration of it on the Psychotrance compilations. It was close to progressive trance, but too hard and acidy to be classified in the same category as the tracks I put in my last post. Some key tracks are: Deepsky - Stargazer (Original/X-Cabs Remix) Deniro - Mind of Man Christopher Lawrence - Renegade Taylor - Slide Joshua Ryan - Pistolwhip Just something to look into if you're intent on being as detailed as possible. The sound was centered on the desert rave culture of the American southwest, mainly out of Southern California, before all the artists got caught in the progressive house movement (except for Lawrence, who generally stayed the course except got a bit harder).

Thanks for the info As for the unknown genre, I believe you may be talking about dark trance (I know some deepsky tunes that can be labelled as so), but I don't want to confirm before checking again.

Damn, I had Joshua Ryan's Pistolwhip somewhere

edit: Well, I really don't meant our guides to overlap (Mine and Ishkur's) but it'll surely happen sometimes because we're talking about the same thing and I learn loads of thing from him

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Originally posted by Noisician no, maaz. you are confusing pe with rhythmic noise. you can find a brief history of rhythmic noise (aka powernoise) in this article. and here is a comprehensive faq manual about noise (anti)music as a whole.

I guess it means I've got more reading to do But don't worry, that's why I said I was gonna update that genre

Bolshoe spasibo

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Originally posted by DjCoz What about Cybertrance? I've heard everything Mars plays is cybertrance... example Mars - Garden of Eden... check out http://www.frequency-8.com for samples of this genre.

Garden of Eden is acid trance. As for the others, they end up being labelled in other sub-genres as well

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Originally posted by Electronicmaji for old school rave you have to put da hool-meet her at the love parade!!!! I think its oldschool rave might not be....

Well, not actually... oldschool rave is a lot older (and a lot less melodic), but gracias anyway

YO LIRA!!! MY PSY/GOA LIST IS UPDATED AND COMPLETED!!!

Sorry I had to get your attention...lol...so go back to the page where I posted my list and you will see it is updated and completed for you.

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OMG, I love you!!! Do you happen to have more info on ambient psy-trance and goa genres with breakbeats? I never seem to get the right thing

I'm sorry to tell you that Break Beat + Psy-Trance doesn't exist. There are a very very very select few groups that incorporate some break beat and even elements of drum and bass in SOME of their songs but as an actual genre that is significant enough to even mention Break Beat + Psy-Trance isn't one of them. Please don't even bother or I will break a vase over your head

As for psy-chillout (aka psy-ambient)...I included that in my update for you, quite a bit actually. As for plain ol' Ambient NOT related to psy-trance, I have no freakin clue.

Enjoy brotha!

Here is my contribution... I'm not a hardcore fan but I did this mainly readin' and listenin' some old stuff. I hope this will help you.


Hardcore sub-genres:

- OldStyle:
Also called OldSchool.

Dj Rob & Mc Joe - The beat is flown
Dj Hooligan - B.O.T.T.R.O.P."

- Gabber:

Masters of Ceremony - Hardcore to da bone
Chosen Few - The name of the Dj"

- Artcore:
One name Patrick van Kerckhoven (dj Ruffneck, Wedlock, Juggernaut...)

Wedlock & Nosferatu - Bullitproof
Wedlock - I'm the Fuck You Man

- Jumper:
Da Tekno Warriors (Paul Elstak and Neophyte)

Da Tekno Warriors - The beat kicks
Da Boy Tommy - Little Dicks (Jump mix)


- Hard House:
Also is wrongly called "american hardcore".
Some hard house names: George Centeno, Poogie Bear, Mark V. o Raoul Zerna.

George Centeno - Work that
Dj Paul & Masochist - No newstyle (hardhouse mix)

- Happy Hardcore:
Charly Lownoise & Menthal Theo, Dj Paul, 3 Steps Ahead or Critical Mass are some producers of this sub-genre.

Dj Paul - Luv U more
DJ Weirdo & DJ Sim - Go Get Busy
Technohead - I wanna be a hippy / Funcore
Dj Ron - Nothings gonna change

- NewStyle:
Also called NewSchool.

Stunned Guys & Dj Paul - Thrillseeka
G-Town Madness vs The Viper - Here it comes

- Darkcore:

The Headbanger - Sweet Dreams
Meagashira - Dj Killa

- Trancecore:
Fusion of Trance with Hardcore.
Nowadays Ferox & Ki-Real (Bionic) are the only producers who produce trancecore.

Ferox & Ki-Real - Warning
Bionic Conspiracy - The blue dragon

- Industrial:
Promo, Catscan, N-Vitral y Armageddon Project

Dj Promo - Rude Awakening
Armageddon Project - Spawn of Misanthropy

- Speedcore:

Nasenbluten - Filth
Dj Noisekick - Army of speedcore

- Noizecore:

De Klotzakken - Dominee Dimitri
Dj Skinhead - Extreme Terror (dj Noizehead mix)

- Terror:
Producers: Drokz & Tails, Stickhead, Akira, Reanimator, Skinhead, Kotzaak Klan...
Labels: C*nt Records or Industrial Strenght

Dj Skinhead - Extreme Terror
Jack Lucifer - I'm Living Death

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Originally posted by Dan1584 YO LIRA!!! MY PSY/GOA LIST IS UPDATED AND COMPLETED!!! Sorry I had to get your attention...lol...so go back to the page where I posted my list and you will see it is updated and completed for you. I'm sorry to tell you that Break Beat + Psy-Trance doesn't exist. There are a very very very select few groups that incorporate some break beat and even elements of drum and bass in SOME of their songs but as an actual genre that is significant enough to even mention Break Beat + Psy-Trance isn't one of them. Please don't even bother or I will break a vase over your head As for psy-chillout (aka psy-ambient)...I included that in my update for you, quite a bit actually. As for plain ol' Ambient NOT related to psy-trance, I have no freakin clue. Enjoy brotha!

hehe, thanks you very much indeed for everything, and don't worry about calling my attention

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Originally posted by UnBracKo Here is my contribution... I'm not a hardcore fan but I did this mainly readin' and listenin' some old stuff. I hope this will help you. Hardcore sub-genres: - OldStyle: Also called OldSchool. Dj Rob & Mc Joe - The beat is flown Dj Hooligan - B.O.T.T.R.O.P." - Gabber: Masters of Ceremony - Hardcore to da bone Chosen Few - The name of the Dj" - Artcore: One name Patrick van Kerckhoven (dj Ruffneck, Wedlock, Juggernaut...) Wedlock & Nosferatu - Bullitproof Wedlock - I'm the Fuck You Man - Jumper: Da Tekno Warriors (Paul Elstak and Neophyte) Da Tekno Warriors - The beat kicks Da Boy Tommy - Little Dicks (Jump mix) - Hard House: Also is wrongly called "american hardcore". Some hard house names: George Centeno, Poogie Bear, Mark V. o Raoul Zerna. George Centeno - Work that Dj Paul & Masochist - No newstyle (hardhouse mix) - Happy Hardcore: Charly Lownoise & Menthal Theo, Dj Paul, 3 Steps Ahead or Critical Mass are some producers of this sub-genre. Dj Paul - Luv U more DJ Weirdo & DJ Sim - Go Get Busy Technohead - I wanna be a hippy / Funcore Dj Ron - Nothings gonna change - NewStyle: Also called NewSchool. Stunned Guys & Dj Paul - Thrillseeka G-Town Madness vs The Viper - Here it comes - Darkcore: The Headbanger - Sweet Dreams Meagashira - Dj Killa - Trancecore: Fusion of Trance with Hardcore. Nowadays Ferox & Ki-Real (Bionic) are the only producers who produce trancecore. Ferox & Ki-Real - Warning Bionic Conspiracy - The blue dragon - Industrial: Promo, Catscan, N-Vitral y Armageddon Project Dj Promo - Rude Awakening Armageddon Project - Spawn of Misanthropy - Speedcore: Nasenbluten - Filth Dj Noisekick - Army of speedcore - Noizecore: De Klotzakken - Dominee Dimitri Dj Skinhead - Extreme Terror (dj Noizehead mix) - Terror: Producers: Drokz & Tails, Stickhead, Akira, Reanimator, Skinhead, Kotzaak Klan... Labels: C*nt Records or Industrial Strenght Dj Skinhead - Extreme Terror Jack Lucifer - I'm Living Death

Much�cimas gracias

Re: Calling all techno junkies, prog heads, house freaks and other elitists in general...

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Jazzstep/Intelligent Drum'n'bass: ?

LTJ Bukem - Watercolours

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Originally posted by alffla hm..i always thought cygnus x - positron was more like..harder trance or something...cuz it had sucha strong beat o_O. maybe i'm wrong then. :|

maybe you're talking about a different track or the 2002 remixes. i'm talking about the old kinda-chilled version that opened Northern Exposure 2 Westcoast - was mislabeled as "Cygnus X - Superstring" there by the way.

really good track, one of my all-time favs

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Originally posted by YaleTrance tribal can be pure (old Tenaglia), go more proggy (Filterheadz) or more clubby trancy house (Robbie Rivera).

since when is Robbie Rivera Trancy House? hes more funky house, which i dont see in the genre list.
Tribal Prog i would go with steve lawler

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Originally posted by albertoR since when is Robbie Rivera Trancy House? hes more funky house, which i dont see in the genre list. Tribal Prog i would go with steve lawler

Is that so? Nice Don't worry, as I'm gonna check all the names

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Originally posted by Fresh LTJ Bukem - Watercolours

Thank you

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Originally posted by paranoik0 maybe you're talking about a different track or the 2002 remixes. i'm talking about the old kinda-chilled version that opened Northern Exposure 2 Westcoast - was mislabeled as "Cygnus X - Superstring" there by the way. really good track, one of my all-time favs

I see... well, I'm gonna give it a listen

Chillout aka Ambient Trance
velvet girl - velvet (chiller twist serene remix)
three drives - greece 2000 (moonwatcher's sea of tranquility mix)


also, nearly all classic (& raped) trance tunes has one chillout remix, many of them are in telstar chilltrance compilations, such as:
http://www.discogs.com/release/38233
http://www.discogs.com/release/77553
http://www.discogs.com/release/46110
http://www.discogs.com/release/102273

Re: Re: Re: Calling all techno junkies, prog heads, house freaks and other elitists in general...

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Originally posted by albertoR since when is Robbie Rivera Trancy House? hes more funky house, which i dont see in the genre list. Tribal Prog i would go with steve lawler

no no, you're confusing my use of adjectives with actual genres. i was referring to the different types of tribal. Robbie considers himself a tribal dj, and some of his productions could fit into a "tribal trance" category(he has said this, and it makes sense). but yes, in his sets he will play funky house as well as the more commercial types of tribal house.

so i dont know if this was already posted but in case you didn't know, what you're trying to do has already been done:

http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

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Originally posted by Nalin so i dont know if this was already posted but in case you didn't know, what you're trying to do has already been done: http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

No, that's not what he's trying to do. Maaz's guide is supposed to be more objective. He is friends with Ishkur anyway, he'll probably contribute to this one too.

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Originally posted by Nalin so i dont know if this was already posted but in case you didn't know, what you're trying to do has already been done: http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

, lira is doing a proper guide with no biasing to any genres or subgenres, and yes he is aware of ishkur's guide, and this is why is doing this guide

Electronic jazz: truby trio, bobby hughes experience, st.germain

Deep House: miguel migs, fred everything, demarkus lewis, the rurals, tojami sessions

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Originally posted by montana , lira is doing a proper guide with no biasing to any genres or subgenres, and yes he is aware of ishkur's guide, and this is why is doing this guide

but ishkur's bias is funny and warranted

Nu Skool Breaks

Thursday Club - A Place Called Acid


anyone mention this yet?

Re: Calling all techno junkies, prog heads, house freaks and other elitists in general...

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Originally posted by Lira Some of you might know that I'm working on a guide on Electronic music and doing a very long research on the topic. Apart from the studies on how everything happened, having sound samples is also fundamental for any guide, which is the main reason of this thread to exist. Trance Breaks/Progressive Breaks: Hybrid - Unfinished Symphony

Hey Lira... I am really interested in reading your book/guide. Would you mind e-mailing it to me when you are finished? I have a feeling that I could learn a lot about edm through it. BTW, Hybrid- Finished Symphony is the best prog. trance/breaks track of all time! Good choice for that category!

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